# Mafia: Baker Street \[Game in progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 7, 2014, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752 "2014-02-07T14:39:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 69
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1361 "2014-04-01T03:52:46Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Why is this your assumption? You could hazard a guess that DaphneBlack lied, which would be more plausible. > > But then I’d counter with “why?” Saying a player DIDN’T do something does not increase the pressure on said player, and is worthless as a gambit. Now you are twisting my words, I never suggested that Daphne lied. I totally believe that she said what she said because she had the info to support it. The most likely possibility was that she had another power besides her seemingly useless investigative power, which only turned up names and not much else! Just as you, a supposedly Vanilla town claims to have a secret power that has not been revealed, even whilst you have been calling for all to claim. Nothing I can say will change anyone’s mind toDay. I hope that town will look closely at the folks I have voted not withstanding Astral’s laments about my voting for multiply folks toDay. My votes rank the most scummy folks I see ToDay. I don’t expect to live til Tomorrow so this is the best I can do. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1362 "2014-04-01T04:01:41Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > But what could that extra info be? Surely she wasn’t informed Night 0 about who would perform the Scum kill Day 3. > > Despite this, you seem Townie to me. Your vote record doesn’t seem Scummy. I’d rather Lynch Astral, and may Unvote you soon. Daphne could have been told that Sept was not scum or just been informed that he wasn’t a killer. I really don’t know what her pm was. But I had extra info that either Daphne or Rysto was Holmes. Think about this: If I knew there was a really good chance that Daphne was Holmes why would I have defended her from the get go after she claimed. Look at those who are pushing my lynch toDay. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1363 "2014-04-01T04:04:01Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Fine, I tip my hat to Astral if he has fooled us. > \*\* > Vote sinjin\*\* > > **Vote hammer** This is, in and of it self, a crappy reason to vote. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1364 "2014-04-01T06:57:48Z")
I’ll follow intuition: **Unvote: sinjin** **Unofficial Vote Count:** sinjin (3): [del]septimus,[/del] Astral Rejection, Darth Sensitive, Mahaloth Astral Rejection (2): septimus, sinjin Darth Sensitive (2): gnarlycharlie, sinjin Mahaloth (1): sinjin Hammer (2): Darth Sensitive, Mahaloth ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1365 "2014-04-01T12:54:00Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > You know, I think this will go down in the annals of Mafia history as one of my worst games ever. > > Full claims, fellas. We’re as close to LyLo as I’d like to get without them. missed this earlier. so when is LYLO? when does Day end? > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > This vote doesn’t count. is that up to the mod? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1366 "2014-04-01T13:52:29Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > missed this earlier. so when is LYLO? when does Day end? LyLo is possibly toDay, if we mislynch, scum have two members, and a tie is resolved as a scum win (which is how I think Story handled it in the past, though I may be misremembering). It works like the bit I quoted below. I’m on mobile, and moving it up here is too hard! > [@](#): > > is that up to the mod? 😉 Nope, story elected me arbiter of the vote count! 🙂 Really, I just wanted to bring it to your attention. Anyway, here’s my LyLo logic. > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Assuming 1 remaining scum out of 8 players (and one recruitment), pretend today is Day 1. > Day 1: mislynch (6-1), recruit (5-2), scum kill (4-2) > Day 2: mislynch (3-2), nightkill (2-2) > Day 3: tiebreaker, or scum victory. > > Assuming 2 remaining scum out of 8 players (no recruitment), pretend today is Day 1. > Day 1: mislynch (5-2), scum kill (4-2) > Day 2: mislynch (3-2), scum kill (2-2) > Day 3: tiebreaker, or scum victory. > > I doubt there are two remaining scum and a recruitment. So, in both likely cases, we have two actual lynches (and a tie lynch) before the game is over, _unless a tied game state is a scum win_, which is very well might be. Otherwise, we have two lynches and a tiebreaker to win. Let’s hope it doesn’t down to that. > > If we slaughter a scum and one remains, the math is > Day 1: scum lynch (6-1), scum kill (5-1) > Day 2: mislynch (4-1), scum kill (3-1) > Day 3: mislymch (2-1), scum kill (1-1) > Day 4: tie breaker, or scum victory. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1367 "2014-04-01T14:12:25Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > Now you are twisting my words, I never suggested that Daphne lied. No, you misunderstand. I never attributed this to you; those are my thoughts on DaphneBlack, if you’re telling the truth. I don’t believe you are, but you knew that 🙂 > [@](#): > > The most likely possibility was that she had another power besides her seemingly useless investigative power, which only turned up names and not much else! Here is the crux of why I don’t believe you. I have a moderator-confirmed description of Daphne’s powers, and that description disagrees with you. I also have a claim from Daphne herself, and she also seems to post-humously disagree with you. One source is unimpeachable, and the other source is confirmed town, all against your unconfirmed claims. Further, believing you requires me to believe that Daphne had additional powers that worked in conjunction with what you claim to be her real powers, which is far-fetched. The simplest explanation is that this is a scum cover claim. > [@](#): > > Just as you, a supposedly Vanilla town claims to have a secret power that has not been revealed, even whilst you have been calling for all to claim. Technically I claimed only sort of vanilla. 🙂 If you believed me revealing my power is good for town, you should have been pushing for me to reveal it… but you haven’t. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1368 "2014-04-01T15:50:16Z")
Also, **I vote to hammer.** ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1369 "2014-04-01T16:57:26Z")
My candidate’s not in the lead, but the game is at snail’s pace. **Vote: hammer.** ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1370 "2014-04-01T17:03:33Z")
\*\*unvote \*\* **Vote Astral** **vote hammer** I already voted hammer, but am just re-stating it I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1371 "2014-04-01T17:06:55Z")
\*\* I UNVOTE my hammer.\*\* Any particular reason for that about-face, Mahaloth? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1372 "2014-04-01T17:08:30Z")
I’m going to guess scum sinjin recruited Mahaloth. Any other takers for that bet? ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1373 "2014-04-01T17:35:16Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > \*\*unvote \*\* > > **Vote Astral** > > **vote hammer** > > I already voted hammer, but am just re-stating it I guess. eh? > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I’m going to guess scum sinjin recruited Mahaloth. Any other takers for that bet? hmmm… **Vote Sinjin** in case my earlier vote didn’t count. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1374 "2014-04-01T17:38:05Z")
what the heck? \*\* Vote Sinjin \*\* ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1375 "2014-04-01T17:43:49Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > **Vote Sinjin** > > in case my earlier vote didn’t count. I think this gives a 3-3 tie. I really don’t know what’s going on, but a safety winkle might work: **Vote: Mahaloth** ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1376 "2014-04-01T17:54:18Z")
Wouldn’t it make more sense to decide which of Astral Rejection or sinjin you’d prefer to see dead? Your vote doesn’t resolve that issue. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1377 "2014-04-01T17:55:21Z")
Because you’re voting for me, but also voting for someone (presumably for) voting for me. That’s just silly! ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1378 "2014-04-01T17:56:37Z")
Also, sinjin has 4 votes, I have 3. It’s not a tie. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1379 "2014-04-01T17:57:48Z")
I can’t count. You’re right, it’s 3-3. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-baker-street-game-in-progress/680752/1380 "2014-04-01T18:04:22Z")
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