# Mafia: Cecilvania \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 13, 2008, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111 "2008-05-13T00:37:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/61 "2008-05-13T19:18:04Z")
_dusts off go-go boots_ šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/62 "2008-05-13T19:21:10Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] Could you express the win conditions as algebraic expressions? Let V equal the number of Vampires. Let T equal the number of Townspeople. Let W equal the number of Werewolves. W = 0; V \> T is a Vampire Win T = 0; V \> W is a Vampire Win W = 0; V=0; T\>0 is a Town Win W \>= T+V is a Werewolf Win Is this correct? [/QUOTE] The only one I think you have incorrect is the second. If T=0, and V\>W then the Wolves would still have the opportunity to kill Dracula at Night. Regardless, I would prefer that you guys save this discussion for Day 1. Otherwise youā€™re going to have to argue with Blaster Master about random lynching again. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/63 "2008-05-13T19:28:54Z")
[QUOTE=CatInASuit] Sweet, we are just missing **HNC** ā€¦ [/QUOTE] Am I the only one who always thinks ā€œHoney Nut Cheeriosā€ when they see that acronym? ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/64 "2008-05-13T19:31:49Z")
Is there still a spot open? In which case Iā€™d like to join. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/65 "2008-05-13T19:38:27Z")
[QUOTE=USCDiver] The only one I think you have incorrect is the second. If T=0, and V\>W then the Wolves would still have the opportunity to kill Dracula at Night. Regardless, I would prefer that you guys save this discussion for Day 1. Otherwise youā€™re going to have to argue with Blaster Master about random lynching again. [/QUOTE] All that we are doing is clarifying the win conditions. This is not strategy, but game setup. So the second Vampire win opportunity is not valid and should be deleted or replaced with something else? The condition I wrote is directly from NAFā€™s post which said: > [@](#): > > For Vampires to win they have to reach majority by the time the wolves or town are all eliminated. If equation two is incorrect, then NAFā€™s statement is not correct either. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/66 "2008-05-13T19:39:17Z")
Here are the people I have down as playing so far. We only have slots for 17, so if we end up with more than 17 people who want to play we will be chosing by lottery. Players: Roosh Koldanar Hal Briston Fretful Porpentine Storyteller Nanook of the Northshore Pollux Oil BlaM! Darth Sensitive WFTomba OneAndOnlyWanderers ShadowFacts CatInASuit Freudian Slit Hockey Monkey Diggit Camera Sach Ryjae - sub #1 That is 17, but more can still apply if they want. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/67 "2008-05-13T19:41:39Z")
[QUOTE=NAF1138] Sach hasnā€™t officially asked to join, so he is in limbo. [/QUOTE] Oh, I didnā€™t? I meant to. While Vampirism looks like recruitment, it is relatively mild. I donā€™t think Iā€™ll be tearing my hair out over it. I would like to play. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/68 "2008-05-13T19:41:45Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] All that we are doing is clarifying the win conditions. This is not strategy, but game setup. So the second Vampire win opportunity is not valid and should be deleted or replaced with something else? The condition I wrote is directly from NAFā€™s post which said: If equation two is incorrect, then NAFā€™s statement is not correct either. [/QUOTE] Sach, shoot me a PM and copy USC. I want to take this discussion off the thread, and promise that everything will be like crystal when the game starts. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/69 "2008-05-13T19:46:15Z")
\ Gosh, with 17 sign-ups already you could practically assign the roles today if you wanted to. \ ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/70 "2008-05-13T19:47:28Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] \ Gosh, with 17 sign-ups already you could practically assign the roles today if you wanted to. \ [/QUOTE] [evil co-mod] Thatā€™s up to USC. I just count beans and write color. Occasionally I give advice, USC is the man with the big datebook.[/evil co-mod] We might start things a bit early, I have some clerical stuff I need to finish up (setting up boards etc) still, and we wonā€™t start before that happens. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/71 "2008-05-13T19:50:36Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] Could you express the win conditions as algebraic expressions? Let V equal the number of Vampires. Let T equal the number of Townspeople. Let W equal the number of Werewolves. W = 0; V \> T is a Vampire Win T = 0; V \> W is a Vampire Win W = 0; V=0; T\>0 is a Town Win W \>= T+V is a Werewolf Win Is this correct? [/QUOTE] At least, something in this thread I can sink my teeth into! šŸ˜ƒ Does this mean I have your approval to do obnoxiously long meandering mathematical posts? Please say yes. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/72 "2008-05-13T19:53:38Z")
Itā€™s _algebra_, not very substantial; more like a thin wafer. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/73 "2008-05-13T19:54:07Z")
[QUOTE=Hal Briston] Am I the only one who always thinks ā€œHoney Nut Cheeriosā€ when they see that acronym? [/QUOTE] Yes. šŸ˜› Looks like the spots are already filled. Plus my life is too crazy right now to commit to a Mafia game. Iā€™ll try to watch from the sidelines. **HM** is going to have to dance in the cage by her lonesome. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/74 "2008-05-13T19:56:36Z")
[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee] Yes. šŸ˜› Looks like the spots are already filled. Plus my life is too crazy right now to commit to a Mafia game. Iā€™ll try to watch from the sidelines. **HM** is going to have to dance in the cage by her lonesome. [/QUOTE] Iā€™m fairly certain thereā€™s some kind of cage-dancing exemption to the Official Rules for Spectators. **NAF**? ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/75 "2008-05-13T19:57:33Z")
[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee] Yes. šŸ˜› Looks like the spots are already filled. Plus my life is too crazy right now to commit to a Mafia game. Iā€™ll try to watch from the sidelines. **HM** is going to have to dance in the cage by her lonesome. [/QUOTE] :eek: What!? Damnit! Whatā€™s mafia if I donā€™t get to kill and/or railroad you! Cruel woman, destroyer of dreams. BAH! ā˜¹ ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/76 "2008-05-13T20:15:20Z")
I donā€™t want anyone who goes on vacation to get Mod-killed for non-participation so weā€™ll wait and see how many we get total signed up by Thursday Noon. Also, no one wants Day 1 to last 10 days! ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/77 "2008-05-13T20:30:35Z")
Put me down as a sub, not that I think you guys will need it. But I guarantee I will be following along assiduously, so rest assured that Iā€™m here if you _do_ need me. NETA:Heh. Thank Og for preview,that last line originally read ā€œIā€™m here if you _do_ meā€. Of course, that mightā€™ve guaranteed me a spot! šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/78 "2008-05-13T20:35:28Z")
[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee] Yes. šŸ˜› Looks like the spots are already filled. Plus my life is too crazy right now to commit to a Mafia game. Iā€™ll try to watch from the sidelines. **HM** is going to have to dance in the cage by her lonesome. [/QUOTE] Aww. I guess Iā€™ll just have to soldier on without you. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/79 "2008-05-13T20:52:54Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] Iā€™m fairly certain thereā€™s some kind of cage-dancing exemption to the Official Rules for Spectators. **NAF**? [/QUOTE] Of course! Anyone who wishes may cage dance with the players. HNC and HM in particular. Spots are not filled yet, if you want to play there is still a chance to get in. Sign ups will not close for a good while still. ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/80 "2008-05-13T20:57:18Z")
I was waiting to see how sign up went, I will follow the game and sub in if needed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111.md?page=5)