# Mafia: Cecilvania \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 13, 2008, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111 "2008-05-13T00:37:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 43
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2008, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/841 "2008-05-30T21:24:06Z")
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger] \*\* think\*\* NotNS\*\* is our newest female, but I’m not sure, so I’m not gunna ask for any from them yet, because male pee cakes are disgusting. I think it’s the testosterone. [/QUOTE] I really hope the NotNS isn’t referring to me, since I’m very male, and I don’t do pee cakes. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2008, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/842 "2008-05-30T21:27:16Z")
[QUOTE=Freudian Slit] \whatever the drink du jour is here! [/QUOTE] Here’s a vote for double Captain and Coke. Boring, but easy and effective. [QUOTE=Nanook of the North Shore] I really hope the NotNS isn’t referring to me, since I’m very male, and I don’t do pee cakes. [/QUOTE] Hrumph. I wouldn’t eat yours, anyway, then. Oh, and, PS: I’m not scum, butthead! ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2008, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/843 "2008-05-30T21:31:05Z")
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger] Oh, and, PS: I’m not scum, butthead! [/QUOTE] That’s a lie. You’re always scum. Even if you aren’t assigned a scum role, you’re still secretly playing for the scum. Look deep inside. You know it to be true. ---
**Author:** ![dotchan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@dotchan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dotchan)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2008, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/844 "2008-05-31T02:06:01Z")
_jumps off the sub bench, if only for toNight_ Too bad for you guys, the only dance I know is the Macarena. 😃 _right hand out, turn wrist up; repeat with left_ _cross arms over each other, and then place hands behind head_ _right hand on hip, left hand on hip_ _pelvic thrust, and then…_ **o/ HEY, MACARENA~ o/** _jump as to face left, start from step 1_ ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2008, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/845 "2008-05-31T02:52:42Z")
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger] **Hockey, Freudian**??? Care to take a break from the cage for a bit we could, um… use some help down here? I’d ask Fretful, but she doesn’t seem the type, and I think\*\* NotNS\*\* is our newest female, but I’m not sure, so I’m not gunna ask for any from them yet, because male pee cakes are disgusting. I think it’s the testosterone. [/QUOTE] I’ll take a break to play with your toys, but um, the pee cake thing…yeah, um…no. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2008, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/846 "2008-05-31T20:35:10Z")
[QUOTE=dotchan] _pelvic thrust, and then…_ [/QUOTE] Mmmmmmm! [QUOTE=Hockey Monkey] I’ll take a break to play with your toys… [/QUOTE] Deal! ---
**Author:** ![WF\_Tomba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d9b06d/32.png) [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2008, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/847 "2008-05-31T22:28:18Z")
Oh no! They must have night-killed the sun! ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2008, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/848 "2008-06-01T01:28:27Z")
Hey guys, sorry for the late start. I am putting together the start now. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2008, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/849 "2008-06-01T01:30:45Z")
So, you want to know about Vampires do you? Well maybe it would make you happy to know that they can be killed by means other than a stake through the heart. Maybe not. That’s all I have to say for now I think, I’m just not really feeling chatty. Hockeymonkey though, she was chatting to her cousin MHaye about the goings on in the town. MHaye said he had some experiance in the area of tracking down the evil undead and decided that he was willing to come to town and lend a hand. Since HM wasn’t feeling up to the task herself she used some of her connections to get herself smuggled out of town. MHaye will be subbing in for Hockey Monkey who failed to meet the minimum posting requierment for the game. Oh yeah, also MHaye - Townsperson Is dead. Killed by Werewolves no doubt. It’s dawn, play nice. (sorry you got killed before you could play MHaye, but thanks for subbing in.) ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2008, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/850 "2008-06-01T01:35:34Z")
Players: Koldanar Hal Briston Fretful Porpentine Storyteller Nanook of the North Shore Pollux Oil Blaster Master Darth Sensitive WF Tomba ShadowFacts [del]CatInASuit[/del] Santo Rugger Freudian Slit DiggitCamara OneAndOnlyWanderers - Townsperson (Lynched Day 1) RoOsh - Townsperson (Killed Night 1) sachertorte - Townsperson (Lynched Day 2) color=green]Hockey Monkey/MHaye - Townsperson [/color] (Killed Night 2) ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2008, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/851 "2008-06-01T01:45:25Z")
Hello folks. It’s going to be an interesting Day. I’m happy to… Yes? What’s that? There’s a knife sticking out of my back? Are you sure? I can’t feel anything. _Falls over dead._ … I mean, come _on_, are you that afraid of me that you’d kill me before I can so much as say Hi? _Disappears back to the forbidden thread._ No wonder they didn’t send me a PM telling me my role. ---
**Author:** ![WF\_Tomba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d9b06d/32.png) [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2008, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/852 "2008-06-01T01:48:40Z")
Ah, a traditional Cecilvanian welcome! Nice to see some people are still keeping up the old ways around here! ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2008, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/853 "2008-06-01T02:02:36Z")
_Ave atque vale_, **MHaye** ☹ I wonder why they picked **Hockey Monkey** , given that she stood a fair chance of being lynched for lurking anyway? Maybe they thought she was being quiet because she was a power role. ---
**Author:** ![WF\_Tomba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d9b06d/32.png) [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2008, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/854 "2008-06-01T02:10:35Z")
OK, down to business. I really, really want to vote for **Blaster Master** , because he pushed the **OAOW** lynch _hard_, and kicked off the **sachertorte** lynch. But being wrong, even aggressively wrong, is not a scum tell, so I hesitate. My runner-up candidate is **DiggitCamara**. I still don’t like this post of his from Day One: > [@DiggitCamara](#): > > Dude: Now you’re (implicitly) defending OAOW??? I find that very interesting. > > Perfect knowledge abounding? This was in response to **sachertorte** merely asking for someone to explain the case against **One And Only Wanderers**. The attempt to equate this with “implicitly defending” him set off alarms in my head. Then there are a few other players I’ve gone after already, but because they’ve gone after _me_, I can’t really tell if my suspicions of them are genuine or just OMGUS. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2008, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/855 "2008-06-01T02:12:05Z")
[QUOTE=Fretful Porpentine] _Ave atque vale_, **MHaye** ☹ I wonder why they picked **Hockey Monkey** , given that she stood a fair chance of being lynched for lurking anyway? Maybe they thought she was being quiet because she was a power role. [/QUOTE] Why indeed? :dubious: I’ve gone over this in many other games, so I won’t elaborate too much, but I generally don’t like these kinds of questions. In this case, it’s even worse, because there’s quite literally nothing to work with here. There’s any number of reasons they might have killed her/him (depending one which one gets credit for dying), but not enough information to draw any sort of meaningful conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2008, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/856 "2008-06-01T02:22:49Z")
Good luck town! Sorry I didn’t post enough, but neener neener neener werewolves for thinking I was worth killing! Hah! Go town! ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2008, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/857 "2008-06-01T02:23:43Z")
[QUOTE=WF Tomba] OK, down to business. I really, really want to vote for **Blaster Master** , because he pushed the **OAOW** lynch _hard_, and kicked off the **sachertorte** lynch. But being wrong, even aggressively wrong, is not a scum tell, so I hesitate. [/quote] Yes, I was ultimately proven wrong; however, I don’t think either case was clearly wrong. I’m playing a aggressively here, and that means I’m going to push people, like **OAOW** , hard until I either get a lynch or some information comes out that makes me change my mind. Unfortunately, I didn’t really see any of that so it turned out poorly. But either way, aggression is just a playstyle, and while it may rub some people the wrong way, it DOES force me to post a lot and put a lot of arguments out that can be analyzed. So, with my aggression comes a large amount of transparency. So I’d say, if you only find my aggression irking, it’s probably just a distaste for the style (and I don’t blame you), but if it’s all you see, you’re correct in saying it’s not a scumtell. On an unrelated note, I’d really like to hear from **storyteller** and his investigation results before proceding. ---
**Author:** ![WF\_Tomba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d9b06d/32.png) [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2008, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/858 "2008-06-01T02:52:53Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] Yes, I was ultimately proven wrong; however, I don’t think either case was clearly wrong. I’m playing a aggressively here, and that means I’m going to push people, like **OAOW** , hard until I either get a lynch or some information comes out that makes me change my mind. Unfortunately, I didn’t really see any of that so it turned out poorly. [/QUOTE] Well, your pursuit of **One And Only Wanderers** wasn’t just ultimately proven wrong, it was illogical right from the start. The information you needed to see to change your mind was right in front of you the whole time. And when **sachertorte** tried to make you see it, you just accused him of having Perfect Information Syndrome. I think I’m justified in saying that you haven’t just turned out to be wrong; you’ve been thinking wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2008, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/859 "2008-06-01T04:54:02Z")
[QUOTE=WF Tomba] Well, your pursuit of **One And Only Wanderers** wasn’t just ultimately proven wrong, it was illogical right from the start. The information you needed to see to change your mind was right in front of you the whole time. And when **sachertorte** tried to make you see it, you just accused him of having Perfect Information Syndrome. I think I’m justified in saying that you haven’t just turned out to be wrong; you’ve been thinking wrong. [/QUOTE] You mean the very same sachetorte that you accused of being scum [Yesterday](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9841866&postcount=654)? Screw it, this is so scummy I can’t wait for **storyteller** … Vote **WF Tomba** ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2008, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/860 "2008-06-01T09:02:55Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] You mean the very same sachetorte that you accused of being scum [Yesterday](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9841866&postcount=654)? Screw it, this is so scummy I can’t wait for **storyteller** … [/QUOTE] Okay, that’s scummy, I agree, but I don’t know if I’m going to vote for him. It’s definitely cause for a FoS storyteller [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111.md?page=42) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111.md?page=44)