# Mafia: Cecilvania \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 13, 2008, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111 "2008-05-13T00:37:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 71
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2008, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/1401 "2008-07-03T21:36:55Z")
I figured as much, but I was really hoping someone ELSE would make that connection after I died… ---
**Author:** ![Pollux\_Oil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/858c86/32.png) [@Pollux\_Oil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pollux_Oil)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2008, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/1402 "2008-07-03T22:06:34Z")
_whistles innocently_ _high fives Nanook and storyteller_ ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2008, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/1403 "2008-07-04T01:51:50Z")
Well done, scum. You guys played great! If you look at my death post, I had NOTHING on **Pollux** or **Nanook**. On the flip side, Town _sucked_ in this game. I’m sorry, I don’t want to gripe or start a battle or anything, but that’s just the way it is. This game should be linked in wikipedia under the heading “LAZY.” Half the Town was barely playing, and the rest were sitting back and waiting to be led around by the nose. While I did have a lot of fun playing this one (I always do), it was also extremely frustrating at times. Town _deserved_ to lose this game. No question. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2008, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/1404 "2008-07-04T02:15:17Z")
[QUOTE=ShadowFacts] Well done, scum. You guys played great! If you look at my death post, I had NOTHING on **Pollux** or **Nanook**. On the flip side, Town _sucked_ in this game. I’m sorry, I don’t want to gripe or start a battle or anything, but that’s just the way it is. This game should be linked in wikipedia under the heading “LAZY.” Half the Town was barely playing, and the rest were sitting back and waiting to be led around by the nose. While I did have a lot of fun playing this one (I always do), it was also extremely frustrating at times. Town _deserved_ to lose this game. No question. [/QUOTE] I think that we decided on the spoiler boards that all vanilla games breed laziness in town. I don’t know why it is, but it always seems to work that way. Diver and I thought that by making that aspect a surprise it might combat the laziness aspect, but I think it actually made it worse. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2008, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/1405 "2008-07-04T05:07:46Z")
[QUOTE=NAF1138] I think that we decided on the spoiler boards that all vanilla games breed laziness in town. I don’t know why it is, but it always seems to work that way. Diver and I thought that by making that aspect a surprise it might combat the laziness aspect, but I think it actually made it worse. [/QUOTE] It did make it worse, I think, because there was the expectation that there were power roles out there gathering information or protecting us. And, of course, like I said in the spoiler board, the penalty for town guessing wrong on a power role was devastating, but for scum, virutally nil as an inherent and unavoidable side effect of the setup. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2008, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/1406 "2008-07-04T05:10:19Z")
[QUOTE=Hal Briston] From a player standpoint, I thought that was the best part. The slow transition from “could it be…” to “yeah, it definitely is” made for some nice tension. I had serious questions about **Pollux** ’s post recaps, which looked like a townie action but in reality didn’t nothing to help the town, but I blew it off in favor of better game. Ah well… Well played, scum! [/QUOTE] See, he had already piqued my suspicion, but the recaps nailed him as scum for me. I wish I’d had the time to actualyl elaborate my case before I died, but I just plain didn’t. The last several lynches by the town were just… lazy. I couldn’t believe you got lynched; no one even made a case, just “lurking is bad”. …sigh… ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2008, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/1407 "2008-07-04T13:42:00Z")
I’m actually glad I was forcibly subbed/night killed on Night One. I was a little ticked off to find out that it was an all vanilla set up and if I had been longer in the game, it would have pissed me off to the nth degree. I would have just opted not to play in the first place had I known. I was amped about the Dracula role, and very disappointed that it didn’t get played. I am looking forward to the Bastard Mod game. Just tell me now if you bastards made it all vanilla. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2008, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/1408 "2008-07-04T16:51:04Z")
[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey] I’m actually glad I was forcibly subbed/night killed on Night One. I was a little ticked off to find out that it was an all vanilla set up and if I had been longer in the game, it would have pissed me off to the nth degree. I would have just opted not to play in the first place had I known. I was amped about the Dracula role, and very disappointed that it didn’t get played. I am looking forward to the Bastard Mod game. Just tell me now if you bastards made it all vanilla. 😛 [/QUOTE] The bastard game is decidedly not all vanilla, but I don’t want to say anything more about it than that. I do want to say that it is not meant to be taken seriously. It’s supposed to be light and fun, and a break from “serious” mafia. We are working hard to make it playable, but it is a Bastard Mod game, we are going to fuck with you…a lot. Also, if everyone just lurks it \*will \* break the game. We need participation from the players for it to be anything other than extrodenarily frustrating for everyone involved. ---
**Author:** ![Pollux\_Oil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/858c86/32.png) [@Pollux\_Oil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pollux_Oil)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2008, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/1409 "2008-07-04T17:56:51Z")
I just want to apologize to NAF and USCDiver. I wasn’t trying to lurk intentionally, when I said I was busy I was really busy. I felt really bad about my low participation. ☹ It worked out though in the end. 😃 I liked that it was an all-vanilla set-up though. It sure had me fooled, heh. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2008, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111/1410 "2008-07-04T21:28:03Z")
[QUOTE=Pollux Oil] I just want to apologize to NAF and USCDiver. I wasn’t trying to lurk intentionally, when I said I was busy I was really busy. I felt really bad about my low participation. ☹ It worked out though in the end. 😃 I liked that it was an all-vanilla set-up though. It sure had me fooled, heh. [/QUOTE] I don’t think you have anything to apologize for. It’s to your advantage as scum to lay low. It’s the Town’s responsibility to call you on it, force you to post or get lynched. Unfortunately, pushing lurkers with votes has a bad rap on this board, and you’re more likely to get lynched for bringing it up than you are for actually lurking. It drives me batty, actually, but I’ve gotten off of my soapbox about it because it will just get me suspected. Now I just flow with the tao… 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-cecilvania-game-over/449111.md?page=70)