# Mafia: Conspiracy 2: The Cabal Strikes Back! \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2008, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324 "2008-06-09T14:52:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 104
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2062 "2008-08-04T14:12:23Z")
NETA2 - Upon further thought, I guess there could be two Scotspeople, but I don’t see the point of that. ---
**Author:** ![cckerberos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@cckerberos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cckerberos)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2063 "2008-08-04T14:44:21Z")
I agree that **Hawkeyeop** ’s behavior looks suspicious, but don’t think that it makes sense to lynch him at this point; the reported freemason investigations should give us all a lot more to work with at the end of the Day. (BTW, **Hawkeye** are you agreeing to check me Today? The circle won’t work smoothly unless everyone agrees on their target.) ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2064 "2008-08-04T14:47:14Z")
[QUOTE=cckerberos] I agree that **Hawkeyeop** ’s behavior looks suspicious, but don’t think that it makes sense to lynch him at this point; the reported freemason investigations should give us all a lot more to work with at the end of the Day. (BTW, **Hawkeye** are you agreeing to check me Today? The circle won’t work smoothly unless everyone agrees on their target.) [/QUOTE] I guess I’m confused. How in the world are the purported circular Freemason investigations meant to clarify the issue? The scum will lie about their investigations, the real Masons will tell the truth, but at the end of the Day we’re still going to have to lynch someone for answers. At least if we lynch a purported Freemason candidate toDay, we’ll get answers by dusk toMorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2065 "2008-08-04T14:53:46Z")
Hey all, checking in after a long and busy weekend. I have to play catch up in the office, but I will be reading tonight, and hope to participate tomorrow. From what I’ve seen so far, the way in which Omi made his claim coupled with mentioning the secret power seems…off to me. I need more time to think on that. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2066 "2008-08-04T14:56:29Z")
[QUOTE=Hawkeyeop] Would you care to answer either of my questions? [/QUOTE] Either? I thought your question was why didn’t I vote for **Drain** , which I answered by telling you that this is an extremely target rich environment and you’re just so egregiously scummy I figured I’d wait on the others. I may change my vote by the end of the day, who knows? ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2067 "2008-08-04T14:57:45Z")
Also, my second candidate is **Omi** , since I just don’t expect two Scotsmen. I’d go that way if it was decided to let the Mason thing work itself out. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2068 "2008-08-04T15:00:05Z")
[QUOTE=Zsofia] Either? I thought your question was why didn’t I vote for **Drain** , which I answered by telling you that this is an extremely target rich environment and you’re just so egregiously scummy I figured I’d wait on the others. I may change my vote by the end of the day, who knows? [/QUOTE] sorry, I meant this to be a more general question to whoever was suspicious of me, not just OAOW. > [@](#): > > Can I ask again what possible justification I would have as cabal to claim freemason? At best it may keep the cabal alive for a day. Certainly there are easier ways to stay alive for a day without the risk of imminent death at the end of it. I mean would anyone have voted for me if say I claimed Scotsman. If I refused to claim? > > Secondly why would I, as cabal, say I didn’t investigate Drain? I don’t think it requires special powers to tell that she is almost certainly lying. Why not simply state I investigated Drain and came up empty? ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2069 "2008-08-04T15:43:00Z")
I don’t know, I hated having to claim Scotsman because it’s hard to verify and I thought people might not believe me - but there’s no point in making something up and if people believe Omi about his magic secret power it could be bad for town. Claiming Scotsman or similar roles I think brings suspicion to you. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2070 "2008-08-04T15:52:10Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] I guess I’m confused. How in the world are the purported circular Freemason investigations meant to clarify the issue? The scum will lie about their investigations, the real Masons will tell the truth, but at the end of the Day we’re still going to have to lynch someone for answers. At least if we lynch a purported Freemason candidate toDay, we’ll get answers by dusk toMorrow. [/QUOTE] if a mason finds another mason, both get told. hopefully at least 2 of us are masons, so you will good info ---
**Author:** ![cckerberos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@cckerberos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cckerberos)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2071 "2008-08-04T15:53:22Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] I guess I’m confused. How in the world are the purported circular Freemason investigations meant to clarify the issue? The scum will lie about their investigations, the real Masons will tell the truth, but at the end of the Day we’re still going to have to lynch someone for answers. At least if we lynch a purported Freemason candidate toDay, we’ll get answers by dusk toMorrow. [/QUOTE] I guess my point is that of the 3 Freemason claimants other than **Drain Bead** , none of us are claiming to have any knowledge about the accuracy of each other’s claims. At the end of the day Today we’ll presumably either have all 3 of us vouching for each other or 2 of us claiming the other is scum. In any case it seems to me that having backing each other is a good thing even if they’re lying, since it means that when you find out one is lying you can feel fairly safe in bringing down the rest. But I’ll admit that the information I’m going with in terms of strategy (that I’m really a Freemason and **Drain Bead** is scum) is different from what you’re going with. If Town really wants to go after one of us Today, though, I guess I’d support a **Hawkeyeop** lynch. His failure to respond to the circle check idea is deepening my suspicion of him and I feel that a **Drain Bead** is bad strategy at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2072 "2008-08-04T16:02:09Z")
[QUOTE=cckerberos] If Town really wants to go after one of us Today, though, I guess I’d support a **Hawkeyeop** lynch. His failure to respond to the circle check idea is deepening my suspicion of him and I feel that a **Drain Bead** is bad strategy at this point. [/QUOTE] I thought my initial suggestion of the idea would imply that I was fine with it. To be clear I will go along with the plan. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2073 "2008-08-04T16:06:54Z")
Sorry, if it wasn’t clear that was in response to Hawkeye’s “would you vote for me if I claimed Scotsman” thing. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2074 "2008-08-04T16:21:38Z")
Oy, I have been trying to sneek online and check up on the game when I could this weekend, but this whole thing makes my head hurt. To me, it would seem, lynching zofia or Omi would seem to be the best choice. If we pick wrong, no big deal, we get information but no one dies, and we have scum tomorrow. If we pick right we bag a scum. Seems like a win-win to me. I can’t imagine a game with two scotsmen. I also can’t imagine a game with two vigs, but we can get to that later. Does any other power group want to claim that they have town’s secret power? Because right now I am inclined to believe Omi over zofia, but the secret power bit would change my mind. Temporarily **vote zofia** Subject to change if/when the secret power counter claim comes. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2075 "2008-08-04T16:22:40Z")
Sorry **Zsofia**. I misspelled you name several times in that post. It’s still early for me out here on the west coast. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2076 "2008-08-04T16:39:14Z")
[QUOTE=Zsofia] Sorry, if it wasn’t clear that was in response to Hawkeye’s “would you vote for me if I claimed Scotsman” thing. [/QUOTE] I meant the Scotman just as an example. There are certainly other things that could be claimed that would be much easier to disprove. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2077 "2008-08-04T16:43:18Z")
You vote to hang me by the neck until dead, dead, dead (or not, as my power will protect me but leave me vanilla) and you’re worried about misspelling my name? ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2078 "2008-08-04T16:44:42Z")
or much harder even. Story, At the very least you will get information when my side is revealed after I get killed. If you lynch me today you will get no info on the truth values of the other three claimed masons. However, if you wait until tonight, and have the vig take me out, when I turn up mason, you will know the truth value for all three. There also should be information available immediately depending on how things work out. For example, if all 3 of us confirm each other, it is unlikely that any of us is scum. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2079 "2008-08-04T16:49:34Z")
It could be that the true town secret power does not want to claim because they know they won’t be protected… ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2080 "2008-08-04T16:52:50Z")
[QUOTE=Drain Bead] It could be that the true town secret power does not want to claim because they know they won’t be protected… [/QUOTE] True. The other thing I failed to take into account - I guess because I don’t want it to be so - was the possibility that the secret power died with the Witch Doctor, or Detective, or whomever. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2008, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2081 "2008-08-04T16:58:33Z")
[QUOTE=Zsofia] You vote to hang me by the neck until dead, dead, dead (or not, as my power will protect me but leave me vanilla) and you’re worried about misspelling my name? [/QUOTE] Well, lynching you isn’t personal, it’s just good sense. Misspelling your name was rude. Sorry. 😛 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324.md?page=103) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324.md?page=105)