# Mafia: Conspiracy 2: The Cabal Strikes Back! \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2008, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324 "2008-06-09T14:52:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 112
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2222 "2008-08-06T19:12:23Z")
All right, well, on the bright side, I am newly motivated to kick some ass the rest of the way, so at least there’s that. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2223 "2008-08-06T19:18:28Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] All right, well, on the bright side, I am newly motivated to kick some ass the rest of the way, so at least there’s that. [/QUOTE] Plus we didn’t kill a soon to be confirmed mason. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2224 "2008-08-06T19:20:17Z")
True. We’re due a Mason report now, right? Wanderers, cckerberos, and Hawk? ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2225 "2008-08-06T19:24:13Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] True. We’re due a Mason report now, right? Wanderers, cckerberos, and Hawk? [/QUOTE] They check out. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2226 "2008-08-06T19:25:11Z")
[QUOTE=Hawkeyeop] They check out. [/QUOTE] Wait, just for clarity. What, specifically, did you do and what result did you obtain? ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2227 "2008-08-06T19:26:35Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] Wait, just for clarity. What, specifically, did you do and what result did you obtain? [/QUOTE] I shook CC’s hand and OAOW shook mine. I can thus confirm them both as masons (and they me) ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2228 "2008-08-06T19:30:25Z")
[QUOTE=Hawkeyeop] I shook CC’s hand and OAOW shook mine. I can thus confirm them both as masons (and they me) [/QUOTE] OK. So assuming confirmation from both of those esteemed gentlemen, which I expect, we have the following: MHAYE: Witch\* KOLDANAR: Seer\* HAWKEYEOP: Freemason\* CCKERBEROS: Freemason\* WANDERERS: Freemason\* STORYTELLER: Magician NAF: Magician ZSOFIA: Scotsman OMI NO KAMI: Scotsman PEEKERCPA: Vicar COOKIES: Vigilante DRAIN BEAD: Omega Wolf - - confirmed ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2229 "2008-08-06T19:42:52Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] OK. So assuming confirmation from both of those esteemed gentlemen, which I expect, we have the following: MHAYE: Witch\* KOLDANAR: Seer\* HAWKEYEOP: Freemason\* CCKERBEROS: Freemason\* WANDERERS: Freemason\* STORYTELLER: Magician NAF: Magician ZSOFIA: Scotsman OMI NO KAMI: Scotsman PEEKERCPA: Vicar COOKIES: Vigilante DRAIN BEAD: Omega Wolf - - confirmed [/QUOTE] 5 confirmed town members out of 11 players means we are decent shape. I’m going to guess we have one or two wolves, 2 cabal, and 1 vamp left. If I had to pick right now I’d say Naf and Zsofia are our Cabal and Cookies is the vamp. I think even with end of day chaos, we still might have taken out a wolf. If Pollux wasn’t a wolf, I’d guess Peek as the final one. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2230 "2008-08-06T19:55:05Z")
i confirm hawkeye’s report. The 3 of us are all masons. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2231 "2008-08-06T20:05:58Z")
Here’s the updated colour-coded list for people’s perusal. **Day 1 Final Vote Count:** Darth Sensitive(7): **Darth Sensitive** , **pedescribe** , peekercpa, **brewha** , **Redwing** , MHaye, storyteller0910 Oredigger77(4): Drain Bead, **ShadowFacts** , **CatInASuit** , **NaturalBlondChap** Nanook of the North Shore(2): One and Only Wanderers, Omi no Kami Pollux Oil(2): **Oredigger77** , **Diomedes** NaturalBlondChap(2): **Hockey Monkey** , **fluiddruid** brewha(2): Zsofia, **Hal Briston** storyteller0910(1): **dotchan** dotchan(1): **RoOsh** Hawkeyeop(1): cckerberos cckerberos(1): \*\*Santo Rugger \*\* Omi no Kami(1): Pollux Oil pedescribe(1): NAF1138 Santo Rugger(1): **CoG888** No Outstanding Vote: Hawkeyeop, Koldanar, **DiggitCamara** , **Nanook of the North Shore** , ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies **Day 2 Final Vote Count:** pedescribe(25): Unanimous Mod-Killed: **CoG888** **Day 3 Final Vote Count:** Boozahol Squid, P.I. (23): Unanimous Mod-Killed: **Redwing** **Day 4 Final Vote Count:** DiggitCamara (13): Drain Bead, **Oredigger77** , MHaye, **CatInASuit** , Omi no Kami, Hawkeyeop, peekercpa, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, **fluiddruid** , cckerberos, **Nanook of the North Shore** , Pollux Oil, Koldanar Hawkeyeop (2): Zsofia, One and Only Wanderers Nanook of the North Shore (1): **DiggitCamara** ShadowFacts (1): NAF1138 Omi no Kami (1): **ShadowFacts** **Day 5 Final Vote Count** Hal Briston (14 of 14 votes placed). Did not vote : Zsofia. **Day Six final vote count** Pollux Oil (5): NAF1138, peekercpa, Koldanar, cckerberos, Zsofia Zsofia (3): Omi no Kami, OneandOnlyWanderers, Pollux Oil NAF1138 (3): Hawkeyeop, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, Drain Bead **Town Wolf Cabal Undead Dead** **Reveal schedule** Dawn Day 7 Role: CatinaSuit, Fluiddruid, Nanook of the North Shore, ShadowFacts Faction : Oredigger77 Dusk Day 7 Role : Hal Briston Faction : Pollux Oil Dawn Day 8 Role : Oredigger77 Dusk Day 8 Role : Pollux Oil If you see an error, let me know and I’ll correct it. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2232 "2008-08-06T22:53:30Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] 1. Meta-game reasoning. If **Zsofia** is Town (and a Scotsman, no less!), modkilling her would make the third modkilled Townie, which is frankly crippling and would have made the game seem impossible. On the other hand, if she is scum, and she was spared not one but two modkills, giving her a break for extenuating circumstances when consideration was NOT extended to two Townies would seem grossly unfair. Also: 2. Omi No Kami’s claim to possess the Town’s secret power. It seemed reasonable to me at first. But… I don’t know. We’re well into the game now. Am I to believe that Omi No Kami _never_, in all this time, has not seen an opportunity to use this power? Not impossible, of course, but I have been working on designing two different games in the last few weeks, so I’ve proposed and discussed a _lot_ of possible powers. I can’t think of one that wouldn’t be best used before Day Six of a game. [/QUOTE] \ Regarding point 1). (And this is total metagame) I can see the first offense being washed away for reasons I have stated previously. It was early on and not everyone had checked in so you could say that we were in some sort of purgatory. The second spare is more problematic. If **Z** is a scot then that sure hamstrings the scum. I know that it truly screws the town but, hey, we have rules and just because one team mate violates a rule doesn’t exonerate the team. [Summerall]Romo throws to Owens for a touchdown. But wait there is a flag back at the line of scrimmage. Flozell Adams has been called for holding. But the officials are going to let the touchdown stand are are going to merely berate Adams in front of the crowd[/summerall]. And if she is scum in a game that is supposedly balanced as this one merely change the sides and substitute the Patriots for Da’ Boys but add in a little sideline cheatery as well. Short story, overall if she is scum it helps scum more than if she were town. IMHO. Point 2) Totally concurred. I would suggest that if **ONK** has a secret power he better use it or fess up to what in the world it can do to help us. And I think **MHaye** and others are a tad optimistic. In on of his posts he posits between three and five remaining scum out of a pool of twelve. Worst case scenario we could be looking at 5 v 5 tomorrow. That does not feel like a coast or in hand to me. Of course, I know that we got a scum today so the odds have got to be better than the above. Just thinking that the other factions thought out their claims and **PO** was stuck solo claiming Vicar. C’mon baby, hard ten, give me the last cabal or Undead. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2008, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2233 "2008-08-06T23:14:45Z")
And now that we have so little time left I would strongly suggest that everone have their will and final thoughts in order and get them on record before sunrise. It’s target rich for town currently but even more so for the scummies. In order of most likely scummitude: **db** **cookies** **z** **naf** **story** The first four are fairly expected. Just jiggle 2 - 4 as your own opinion concludes. I just have to keep **story** on any list of potential scum. :). We seriously need to go get a beer some day. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2234 "2008-08-07T00:11:14Z")
That’s a very interesting order you have there, peeker. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2235 "2008-08-07T00:48:27Z")
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies] That’s a very interesting order you have there, peeker. [/QUOTE] How so, young lady? If I can be so bold to ask? ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2236 "2008-08-07T02:09:21Z")
That your suspicion levels of NAF and Zsofia are so low. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2237 "2008-08-07T02:26:02Z")
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies] That your suspicion levels of NAF and Zsofia are so low. [/QUOTE] Whoa. Time the eff out. I think that there are four scum left. I put them in that group. Where in the world do you figure that my suspicion level of them is low FCS. Sheesh. I merely was stack ranking who I thought was the scummiest. If it were not for the Masons confirming you would have just moved ahead of **DB**. We’ll see what tonight brings but I’d like to see you keep digging if you don’t mind. It will help confirm that I have it correct. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2238 "2008-08-07T02:39:35Z")
I now see that I missed the jiggle clause when I first read that post. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2239 "2008-08-07T02:42:33Z")
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies] I now see that I missed the jiggle clause when I first read that post. [/QUOTE] Convenient. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2240 "2008-08-07T03:10:27Z")
And that was rude as fool. It just seems that we are up against it and I am getting a little skin thinned at this time. Peace? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2008, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2241 "2008-08-07T03:16:57Z")
Fucking two months into this and it feels like any group can still win. I think that that ever loving gastard **pleo** owes us all a drink, **AT THE FRIGGIN MINIMUM**. It’s night and and he should buy a round on the house. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324.md?page=111) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324.md?page=113)