# Mafia: Conspiracy 2: The Cabal Strikes Back! \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2008, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324 "2008-06-09T14:52:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 116
**Author:** ![Omi\_no\_Kami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e4f/32.png) [@Omi\_no\_Kami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omi_no_Kami)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2008, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2302 "2008-08-08T22:07:36Z")
I self-protected until the initial Storyteller claim. I protected him for two days, and then self-protected until last night, when I grabbed MHaye. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2008, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2303 "2008-08-08T22:15:40Z")
That seems like a lot of protection to spend on an already-spent Magician. Case in point, you allegedly protected him for only two Nights and yet he’s still alive. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2008, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2304 "2008-08-08T22:40:03Z")
Exactly - after he redirected, storyteller became essentially vanilla Town. And yet you decided to protect him and yourself over essentially confirmed _investigation roles_? We might still have a Detective! I don’t even know why we still have Koldanar, but you thought you were more important to protect than him? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2008, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2305 "2008-08-08T23:13:03Z")
[QUOTE=MHaye] Something I thought of a while back that hasn’t been mentioned that I think ought to be; in all the debate about what faction might be motivated to claim Vig and why, no-one has asked this question of the other claims as well. Specifically, no-one has asked what non-Town role might want to claim Vicar. The easy answer for that one, of course, is Vampire. Vicars are not just an active agent opposing the growth of zombie numbers, they are passively defending the town against the nocturnal activities of Vampires. A Vampire who claims Vicar has neatly explained why they have never been killed by one. Their future survival is assured, at least until towards the very end of the game, because the Vicar is no threat whatsoever to any other killing faction. Hence I have had a low-level suspicion of both the Vicar claimants running through the back of my mind. I know **Pollux Oil** is dead now, and I await the revelation of his faction with great interest, but that’s not until Dusk Tomorrow. Long wait. I’m not sure right now what to make of **peekercpa** , but I don’t consider it wholly unlikely that the number of Vicars equalled the number of Vampires. Thus even if **PO** comes out Town, it doesn’t automatically mean **peeker** is a Vampire. I’m still thinking about the other duplicate claims and which non-Town faction might be most motivated to try them. [/QUOTE] You know I kind of appreciate the sentiment that there could be two Vicars but I think that dog won’t hunt if **PO** shows up town. It would be my luck get a dual town role since I know that I am a Vicar. But I’ve also got be realistic. Happy note, since no kills last night I do think that is a better than even chance that ol’ **PO** was a vamp. And since we had no kills the wait won’t be nearly as long. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2008, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2306 "2008-08-08T23:17:34Z")
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies] He should hopefully have something, because I targeted NAF but was blocked. [/QUOTE] And if he was, you’ve got some serious explaining to do. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2008, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2307 "2008-08-08T23:23:27Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] Actually, I suspect that we won’t be hearing a result from **Koldanar** , either. The best explanation for last Night is a mass block. [/QUOTE] But other than cabal, what faction/role has a blocking power? ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2008, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2308 "2008-08-08T23:45:49Z")
[QUOTE=peekercpa] And if he was, you’ve got some serious explaining to do. [/QUOTE] “he”=who? and “was”=what? A mass-block possibility was being discussed as perhaps being a secret power, but according to Omi, his alleged town secret power was not a mass-block. If the town secret power is other than Omi says, it may or may not have already been used. Pleo giving a scum faction a mass-block is a possibility, I suppose. But, again, until Koldanar shows up, I don’t see much value drawing conclusions. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2008, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2309 "2008-08-08T23:52:42Z")
Leavin you all for the weekend again (soonish anyway). 7.6 days till the wedding, lots to do. ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2008, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2310 "2008-08-08T23:53:52Z")
Sorry this took so long, traveling weekend. I won’t be able to post much again till Sunday night. I investigated peeker; it failed. Sounds like a mass block then, since no kill actions went through, ala story’s guess. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2008, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2311 "2008-08-09T00:15:07Z")
[QUOTE=Omi no Kami] I self-protected until the initial Storyteller claim. I protected him for two days, and then self-protected until last night, when I grabbed MHaye. [/QUOTE] **O** n **K** : I’ve had a long week at work and am getting to go on vacation and am as dull as can be, apparently. So you are Scotsman by name but a Doc by trade? And your post that you reference says Doc but you claim Scot. But Scot has secret power that makes him Doc. From here on out you will be known as **Sybil**. I gotta say that if town’s double super secret power role was to have a “scotsman” whose power is to merely move the protection to someone else that it is kind of odd. And I just gotta add. Protecting someone randomly does not seem to be ideal strategy. **S** cum **c** an **o** nly **t** alk **s** hit **m** orning **a** nd **n** ight. Hey, lookie there I got it on one line. C’mon **Kold** quit screwing with the bunnies and get back to work. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2008, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2312 "2008-08-09T00:42:31Z")
In transit post. Oh well. **Cookie**. I was referencing the fact that if **Kold** didn’t get a read then he would have to be blocked so how in the world could you be blocked as well. Apparently we have now ascribed a mass block to a scum faction special power and that explains why your kill did not go through and **Kold** got a no read on me. So cabal gets a kill and the wolfies get a mass block which they employ instead of a kill. Town gets **Sybil**. Shit I hope one of us has some Haldol at the hip. ---
**Author:** ![Omi\_no\_Kami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e4f/32.png) [@Omi\_no\_Kami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omi_no_Kami)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2008, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2313 "2008-08-09T00:42:49Z")
I tend to agree with most of the comments here. I’d protected Storyteller _because_ he was essentially confirmed town: at the time, he was one of the only townies who I was really, really sure was town. I protected him for two days figuring that if anyone had tried to whack him. they might try to target him again after the initial block. For the next few days, though, I mainly protected myself because I was worried about being deceived: I was worried that accidentally protecting scum and shielding them from a nightdeath would do more damage to the town than failing to protect any single role would. I’m obviously not very good at this, though… am I right in assuming that Koldanar is most people’s recommendation for tonight’s protection? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2008, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2314 "2008-08-09T01:02:31Z")
[QUOTE=Omi no Kami] I tend to agree with most of the comments here. I’d protected Storyteller _because_ he was essentially confirmed town: at the time, he was one of the only townies who I was really, really sure was town. I protected him for two days figuring that if anyone had tried to whack him. they might try to target him again after the initial block. For the next few days, though, I mainly protected myself because I was worried about being deceived: I was worried that accidentally protecting scum and shielding them from a nightdeath would do more damage to the town than failing to protect any single role would. I’m obviously not very good at this, though… am I right in assuming that Koldanar is most people’s recommendation for tonight’s protection? [/QUOTE] Effin heck. If you are what you say you are then listening to the inmates of this assylym would be horrible. If you have a protective power do what you will. But, FCS, it is not a referendum. And that was not meant to be telling a power role what to do but rather don’t listen to the voices in your head that can be so mis guiding. Especially with the group that we have left. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2008, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2315 "2008-08-09T01:09:23Z")
If you’re a Scotsman, why would you need to protect yourself? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2008, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2316 "2008-08-09T01:12:35Z")
And why did you say earlier that talking about the power would make it harder to use? ---
**Author:** ![cckerberos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@cckerberos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cckerberos)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2008, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2317 "2008-08-09T01:19:23Z")
[QUOTE=Omi no Kami] I’m obviously not very good at this, though… am I right in assuming that Koldanar is most people’s recommendation for tonight’s protection? [/QUOTE] Honestly, I can’t think of any good reason why you wouldn’t have protected him last night. I have to assume that you’re telling the truth about your power and actions, because I just have to think that Scum would come up with a better story. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2008, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2318 "2008-08-09T01:38:02Z")
That’s true - I would expect scum to say that the reason Koldanar is still around is that they’ve been protecting him, don’t you see. On the other hand, the idea of protecting one’s self although one has no particularly awesome power, and a vanilla townie, and somebody at random who is also essentially a vanilla townie? Boggles one’s mind. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2008, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2319 "2008-08-09T01:47:50Z")
[QUOTE=Zsofia] That’s true - I would expect scum to say that the reason Koldanar is still around is that they’ve been protecting him, don’t you see. On the other hand, the idea of protecting one’s self although one has no particularly awesome power, and a vanilla townie, and somebody at random who is also essentially a vanilla townie? Boggles one’s mind. [/QUOTE] A nightly protection is pretty awesome power. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2008, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2320 "2008-08-09T02:32:15Z")
[QUOTE=cckerberos] Honestly, I can’t think of any good reason why you wouldn’t have protected him last night. I have to assume that you’re telling the truth about your power and actions, because I just have to think that Scum would come up with a better story. [/QUOTE] Ah, but hound dog friend, he could just be stumbling. In my first game I was so freaking green that **shadow** had to lollipop me a couple of times to save my butt. Without some help I would have been screwed. I truly believe that we got a Vamp. I also don’t see 2 vigs. And **sybil** needs to be medicated with about six foot of hemp. [Oog]Seriously officer it’s for rope not for smoking[/oog]. Friggin the whole potato. P.s. Can I get some coffee with my doughnuts? ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2008, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2321 "2008-08-09T04:53:55Z")
[QUOTE=Hawkeyeop] A nightly protection is pretty awesome power. [/QUOTE] Yeah, but it’s essentially just being a Doc instead of a Scotsman. I don’t know, I’m not the mod, it just doesn’t sound to me like it would be the town secret power, like it doesn’t fit. I don’t know what any of the other powers for the other factions are, of course, but in the previous game (I know, I know) they weren’t really like this. Don’t you think it’s possible the town secret power died with an earlier player? Remember, there was that weird night with not “enough” kills. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324.md?page=115) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324.md?page=117)