# Mafia: Conspiracy 2: The Cabal Strikes Back! \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2008, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324 "2008-06-09T14:52:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 121
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2008, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2402 "2008-08-12T22:17:55Z")
[QUOTE=cckerberos] Unless I’m missing something, there were no kills last Night. Which is much harder to explain. [/QUOTE] :smack: On the other hand, everything I said in that post does explain why there is no kills if you also assume that Omi is telling the truth and that the killer who did turn in a target selected me. The third option (both killers targeted me) requires this. So for “one kill” in that post read “no kill”. Everything I said there stands. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2403 "2008-08-13T13:30:22Z")
[QUOTE=Zsofia] I’ll look more closely at your 'mass-block as a Cabal power" argument, but I was thinking it seemed like a Town power because it gives the Town breathing room - most scum actions (all?) are night actions, while town has day and night actions, for example, so a “block night actions” power would seem to harm the scum factions more than the town. [/QUOTE] In a nutshell, right now, the Cabal’s only Night action is a block. A mass block prevents them from using a single block, but of course that doesn’t hurt them. On the other hand, a mass block ensures that no enterprising Werewolf or Vampire or Vigilante sneaks in and kills a Caballero by Night, ensuring that they get to stay intact for a full additional cycle. However, also in a nutshell, the daily lynch is, in effect if not in name, a Cabal action as well as a Town action. In other words, the daily lynch is their _only way, most likely, to win_, ESPECIALLY if the Vampire is now dead (as many of us suspect). For the Cabal, nearly every Night outcome is bad and more lynches, as long as it’s not of _them_, is good. * * * OK, enough on that. I have an idea, and I need it picked apart by Townies I trust. **mhaye** , **Koldanar** , and the three confirmed Masons, please consider the below. Unless I am missing something (and that something might include secret powers, of course), I believe we can guarantee ourselves actionable information on which to base our lynch toMorrow. Here is my suggestion. ToNight, we insist on the following course of actions from our living power roles: **Koldanar** investigates anyone he pleases. **Omi No Kami** PROTECTS Koldanar **Cookies** targets **Zsofia** This seems fairly simple, but consider: 1. If **Koldanar** dies, then **Omi No Kami** is probably a liar. Actionable info. 2. If **Koldanar** lives and is NOT blocked, we get the results of whatever his investigation turns out to be. Actionable info. 3. If **Koldanar** lives and IS blocked, we may assume that **Cookies** will NOT be. Therefore, 3A - If, in this circumstance, **Zsofia** is neither dead nor confirmed, then **Cookies** is lying about her Vig power. 3B - If, in this circumstance, **Zsofia** is dead, then she’s scum. Whee! This will almost certainly tell us not to lynch **Omi**. 3C - If, in this circumstance, **Zsofia** is confirmed as a Townie, then she’s a Scotsman, and we may look a bit more askance at **Omi No Kami**. Poke holes in this to your heart’s content. One sizable hole - this plan of action leaves **mhaye** quite exposed. That’s a pretty significant danger. Of course, if **Omi** is lying, **mhaye** will be quite exposed anyway. Thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2404 "2008-08-13T13:40:27Z")
Any reason why we wouldn’t do as we did last Night and have Cookies target NAF who deflects? Or does that just introduce too much complication? ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2405 "2008-08-13T13:51:04Z")
[QUOTE=Zsofia] Any reason why we wouldn’t do as we did last Night and have Cookies target NAF who deflects? Or does that just introduce too much complication? [/QUOTE] Well, not to put too fine a point on it, here, but if we do as I’ve suggested above, we still have to lynch someone toDay. Probably, by process of elimination, you can figure out who I’m suggesting. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2406 "2008-08-13T13:51:21Z")
so who are we lynching today? at the moment Omi and Zsofia are attracting the votes, yet you ahve them in your night plan. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2407 "2008-08-13T13:57:06Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] Well, not to put too fine a point on it, here, but if we do as I’ve suggested above, we still have to lynch someone toDay. Probably, by process of elimination, you can figure out who I’m suggesting. [/QUOTE] Oh, I see. Yes, I’d be down with that. By the way, after noon or so I’ll be in a job interview, so I won’t be able to screw up today’s vote. Wish me luck! ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2408 "2008-08-13T13:58:47Z")
There is a scenario where Omi isn’t lying and Koldanar gets killed though. The cabal could block Omi. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2409 "2008-08-13T14:02:10Z")
[QUOTE=One And Only Wanderers] so who are we lynching today? at the moment Omi and Zsofia are attracting the votes, yet you ahve them in your night plan. [/QUOTE] OK, there’s no reason to be coy about it: Vote NAF His behavior over the last few days has struck me as very scattered, opportunistic, holding opinions long enough to see if he can drum up support for them then abandoning them quickly. I see no reason at all to lynch either Scotsman candidate, given the advantage they give us at Night. For me, it’s either **NAF** or **Cookies** , and I see more advantage to keeping the latter alive for the moment. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2410 "2008-08-13T14:03:38Z")
[QUOTE=Hawkeyeop] There is a scenario where Omi isn’t lying and Koldanar gets killed though. The cabal could block Omi. [/QUOTE] Dammit. ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2411 "2008-08-13T14:29:44Z")
Let me see if I can sum up the cases against our targets ? So far we have : NAF - Switching targets strangely (going after Cookies, accusing her of being a wolf after saying we didn’t want to lynch DB because she was? Did i get this right?) and abandoning plans willy nilly (per story). Possible Cabalist, drumming up support for the only Cabal method of killing (lynch). Zsofia - People don’t like the idea of two scotsmen. Changed votes fast at the end of yesterday, some thought was scumy and bad, some didn’t. Omi - Some don’t believe in the secret power he claims, acts either as a scots man or a doc at night. Garnered suspicion in the earlier days, but for the life of me I cannot recall it. Cookies - Possibly but possibly not a vig; yesterdays ‘block’ could just be oops, I can’t do anything! With the above info, **vote NAF** with the caveat that anyone that corrects me in such a way that others seem more suspicious will make me rethink. I’m happy with this lynch, considering the information. And story, I’m fine with the plan, provided we think a little more about the omi block - I die scenario. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2412 "2008-08-13T15:05:28Z")
ok given that we may get some clarity around Zsofia & Omi tonight I will \*\*unvote Omi \*\* **vote NAF** ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2413 "2008-08-13T15:14:25Z")
Ok, I am going to probably get lynched and my team has lost anyway (I checked with Pleo about a couple of things and am convinced that there is no way we can win) so I might as well make a real claim. Mostly cause I am tired of being accused of being Cabal. I am a Vampire The last one? Maybe, I don’t know. I shot my team in the foot when I killed dotchan. I can also verify Peeker is the Vicar, he was my Night 1 attack for being the most talkative person in town. I am now offering my services up as a hired killer. You can lynch me if you like, or use me to target someone at Night. Either way I am ok, since I am certain that I can no longer win. WOOHOO! ---
**Author:** ![cckerberos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@cckerberos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cckerberos)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2414 "2008-08-13T15:16:06Z")
I don’t think there’s anything that we, as the Town, can do about **Koldanar** getting killed Tonight. The Cabal only has four possible Night actions to choose from: **Cookies** ’ kill, **Omi** ’s secret power, **Koldanar** ’s investigation, and the Wolf kill. Would it be too much to hope for that the Cabal might block the Wolves’ kill Tonight because they think it will target them? I’m not sure how much of a threat **Koldanar** ’s readings are a threat to them right now, since Town’s trying to avoid killing Wolves. The Cabal seems a greater threat to them at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2415 "2008-08-13T15:16:43Z")
NAF. Can we please have a full list of the targets you have attempted to kill? ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2416 "2008-08-13T15:20:41Z")
Here is what I see the votes currently at 3 Omi (Peekercpa, Zsofia, Naf) 4 Zsofia (Omi, Mhaye, Drainbead, Cookies) 4 Naf (Hawkeye, Story, Koldanar, OAOW) ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2417 "2008-08-13T15:23:46Z")
Hmmmm. If NAF is being truthful, then we’re either in very deep doo-doo (Pollux turns out to be a Wolf), or in better shape than we previously thought (Pollux turns out to be Cabal). If NAF is lying, then I don’t know where we stand. Fortunately, there’s an easy way to find out. My vote stands. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2418 "2008-08-13T15:27:53Z")
[QUOTE=cckerberos] I don’t think there’s anything that we, as the Town, can do about **Koldanar** getting killed Tonight. The Cabal only has four possible Night actions to choose from: **Cookies** ’ kill, **Omi** ’s secret power, **Koldanar** ’s investigation, and the Wolf kill. Would it be too much to hope for that the Cabal might block the Wolves’ kill Tonight because they think it will target them? I’m not sure how much of a threat **Koldanar** ’s readings are a threat to them right now, since Town’s trying to avoid killing Wolves. The Cabal seems a greater threat to them at the moment. [/QUOTE] The Cabal can only block the Wolves if Drain Bead is indeed the only remaining Wolf, right? I’ll go with storyteller. **vote NAF** ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2419 "2008-08-13T15:31:04Z")
I don’t like having people with nothing to play for alive. Naf, if being truthful, could take out Drainbead in an attempt to throw the game to the cabal. He really would have no reason not to. Plus, there is always the possibility that he is lying and is cabal. I would feel better if a couple other people jumped on the bandwagon though. Don’t want another scenario like the end of yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2420 "2008-08-13T15:32:20Z")
[QUOTE=MHaye] NAF. Can we please have a full list of the targets you have attempted to kill? [/QUOTE] Sure: Night 1 Peeker (fail) Night 2 Storyteller (fail) Night 3 ShadowFacts (Success!) Night 4 Dotchan (success :() Night 5 Oredigger77 (fail, but someone else got him) Night 6 Koldanar (again with the fail) Bad at this role, I am very very bad at this role. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2421 "2008-08-13T15:32:33Z")
[QUOTE=Zsofia] vote NAF [/QUOTE] Did you unvote Omi? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324.md?page=120) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324.md?page=122)