# Mafia: Conspiracy 2: The Cabal Strikes Back! \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2008, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324 "2008-06-09T14:52:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 123
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2442 "2008-08-13T17:34:57Z")
Maybe Omi should protect our Safety Wolf? ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2443 "2008-08-13T17:37:56Z")
[QUOTE=MHaye] Why does this post worry me so much? What’s the worst thing NAF could be? Werewolf selling out the town, that’s what. [/QUOTE] Yeah. I kind of thought of that, too. I’d adjudge it moderately likely, too. But we can’t just let every player who claims scum off the hook. What can we do? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2444 "2008-08-13T17:41:04Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] Yeah. I kind of thought of that, too. I’d adjudge it moderately likely, too. But we can’t just let every player who claims scum off the hook. What can we do? [/QUOTE] Um, kill me that’s what. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2445 "2008-08-13T17:41:48Z")
Actually, this is a big problem with this game. It surfaced, to some extent, in Conspiracy I, and I watched that one from afar and wondered how it would be possible for a Town to win if the scum were really determined that the Town should lose. Now here we are. If **NAF** and **Drain** are Wolves, and have decided between them to sell us out in an “anyone but the Town” move, there’s really nothing we can do. The same is true of every scum player. The only chance we’d have is to guess, lynch someone, and hope they’re Cabal. Actually, if this is how the game plays out, it’s going to be a depressing, disappointing ending to the game. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2446 "2008-08-13T17:41:52Z")
[QUOTE=Zsofia] Maybe Omi should protect our Safety Wolf? [/QUOTE] A doctor preventing a wolf suicide. That would be amusing. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2447 "2008-08-13T17:43:37Z")
Well, if DB really wanted to die she didn’t have to vote. (Although that’s an ugly way to win.) ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2448 "2008-08-13T17:44:51Z")
We could, I suppose, no-lynch. That would set up a weird situation. The Wolves would keep killing, but eventually as the number of Townies got whittled down, the Cabal would have to start blocking Wolves in an effort to prevent them from winning. If the Town simply refused to lynch anyone, I think the game could develop into a three-way stalemate. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2449 "2008-08-13T17:45:06Z")
(If you’re wondering, my interview got moved to 2.) I don’t see how we can _not_ kill NAF. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2450 "2008-08-13T17:46:40Z")
And you know, it’s theoretically possible that we’ve actually gotten all the Cabal and just don’t know it. NAF is obviously _something_, but he could be as claimed. For all we know, after NAF our pet wolf might be our only scum. Of course, we can’t rely on that. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2451 "2008-08-13T17:53:31Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] Actually, this is a big problem with this game. It surfaced, to some extent, in Conspiracy I, and I watched that one from afar and wondered how it would be possible for a Town to win if the scum were really determined that the Town should lose. Now here we are. If **NAF** and **Drain** are Wolves, and have decided between them to sell us out in an “anyone but the Town” move, there’s really nothing we can do. The same is true of every scum player. The only chance we’d have is to guess, lynch someone, and hope they’re Cabal. Actually, if this is how the game plays out, it’s going to be a depressing, disappointing ending to the game. [/QUOTE] It is an issue in any game with multi scum groups, but I wouldn’t really consider it a big problem. It is just part of the game, and something that we need to account for. If Naf tricks us and we lose to the cabal, it is our fault for being tricked. I’d say having multi scum groups gives the town more advantages than drawbacks, so I won’t feel robbed if we lose due to Naf. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2452 "2008-08-13T17:54:48Z")
I tend to agree that we can’t let NAF off the hook. I didn’t change votes, after all. A No Lynch might work here, because that will mean we know the faction of all dead players going into the Night - and **PO** ’s alignment might shed light on **NAF** ’s claim. Or it might tell us nothing (if **PO** turns up Town). ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2453 "2008-08-13T17:55:20Z")
[QUOTE=Hawkeyeop] It is an issue in any game with multi scum groups, but I wouldn’t really consider it a big problem. It is just part of the game, and something that we need to account for. If Naf tricks us and we lose to the cabal, it is our fault for being tricked. I’d say having multi scum groups gives the town more advantages than drawbacks, so I won’t feel robbed if we lose due to Naf. [/QUOTE] I can’t explain why it bugs me, but it does. It’s like when I play Monopoly with my wife and brother and sister. If one of them starts to lose, they’ll intentionally make insane offers to my wife - _I’ll give you Boardwalk and Park Place and all my railroads in exchange for your Get out of Jail Free Card and a piece of caramel corn_ - to spite the other two siblings. It’s crappy. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2454 "2008-08-13T17:57:58Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] I can’t explain why it bugs me, but it does. It’s like when I play Monopoly with my wife and brother and sister. If one of them starts to lose, they’ll intentionally make insane offers to my wife - _I’ll give you Boardwalk and Park Place and all my railroads in exchange for your Get out of Jail Free Card and a piece of caramel corn_ - to spite the other two siblings. It’s crappy. [/QUOTE] Yeah that bugs me too. I just tend to consider scum to be more anti-town then anti other scum, so it doesn’t bug me here. I consider town losing a small victory for scum, even if that faction doesn’t win. Make sense? ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2455 "2008-08-13T17:58:48Z")
[QUOTE=MHaye] I tend to agree that we can’t let NAF off the hook. I didn’t change votes, after all. A No Lynch might work here, because that will mean we know the faction of all dead players going into the Night - and **PO** ’s alignment might shed light on **NAF** ’s claim. Or it might tell us nothing (if **PO** turns up Town). [/QUOTE] Yeah. I don’t know. I keep thinking - why would **NAF** _do_ this, if he’s really a Vamp? But I don’t have a better answer. I guess we could revert to one of the Scotsmen, probably ZSofia, and see what happens when she hangs. Of course, she could be a Wolf, and then we’ve double-screwed ourselves. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2456 "2008-08-13T17:58:56Z")
[QUOTE=Zsofia] And you know, it’s theoretically possible that we’ve actually gotten all the Cabal and just don’t know it. NAF is obviously _something_, but he could be as claimed. For all we know, after NAF our pet wolf might be our only scum. Of course, we can’t rely on that. [/QUOTE] See, now to me this is tantamount to claiming Cabal. Just saying. You and cookies are clearly on the same team. Now town, if you are really worried about a cabal win, kill either her or cookies. Not that you will, because I am a sure thing, but I am just saying. You do have better options. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2457 "2008-08-13T17:59:50Z")
[QUOTE=Hawkeyeop] Yeah that bugs me too. I just tend to consider scum to be more anti-town then anti other scum, so it doesn’t bug me here. I consider town losing a small victory for scum, even if that faction doesn’t win. Make sense? [/QUOTE] Sure, but… you know what? I think I better say no more about this subject, because I’m in the process of designing a game right now and if I give thoughts on game design I might reveal stuff I don’t want to reveal. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2458 "2008-08-13T18:02:52Z")
[QUOTE=NAF1138] See, now to me this is tantamount to claiming Cabal. Just saying. You and cookies are clearly on the same team. Now town, if you are really worried about a cabal win, kill either her or cookies. Not that you will, because I am a sure thing, but I am just saying. You do have better options. [/QUOTE] This is clever, NAF, what you’re doing here. I think it’s actually kind of awesome, and I am very impressed. I think I can live with this because I think you’re actually still playing to win, whatever you say. All - we still have an hour, and we’re not locked into _anything_. Does anyone have any brilliant ideas? ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2459 "2008-08-13T18:03:12Z")
[QUOTE=NAF1138] Sure: Night 1 Peeker (fail) Night 2 Storyteller (fail) Night 3 ShadowFacts (Success!) Night 4 Dotchan (success :() Night 5 Oredigger77 (fail, but someone else got him) **Night 6 Koldanar (again with the fail)** Bad at this role, I am very very bad at this role. [/QUOTE] Bolding mine…Am I missing something here? Omi, our ‘claimed’ protector, didn’t protect me last night. I was targeted by the vampire, and the cabal. Nothing in the rules states the cabal’s block also protects, so why am I still here? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2460 "2008-08-13T18:09:09Z")
[QUOTE=Koldanar] Bolding mine…Am I missing something here? Omi, our ‘claimed’ protector, didn’t protect me last night. I was targeted by the vampire, and the cabal. Nothing in the rules states the cabal’s block also protects, so why am I still here? [/QUOTE] My guess, mass block. ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2461 "2008-08-13T18:19:25Z")
[QUOTE=NAF1138] My guess, mass block. [/QUOTE] Bah sorry, long lunch, and I’ve been running on the assumption of no mass block. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324.md?page=122) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324.md?page=124)