# Mafia: Conspiracy 2: The Cabal Strikes Back! \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2008, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324 "2008-06-09T14:52:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 125
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2482 "2008-08-13T19:42:02Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] No, we can still lose. If we lynch the remaining non-Cabal scum before we lynch the remaining Caballero, and if Drain Bead is killed somehow, then we’re toast. [/QUOTE] Aren’t we okay if Mhaye is still alive? I can’t access the rules from work. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2483 "2008-08-13T19:57:00Z")
[QUOTE=Hawkeyeop] Aren’t we okay if Mhaye is still alive? I can’t access the rules from work. [/QUOTE] From the Cabal? No. The relevant part of the Cabal’s win condition is that no more than one Witch remains alive. > [@The Rules](#): > > The Cabal know the identities and roles of the other Cabalists. Though few in number, they may speak secretly (off site) at any time, Day or Night. They may block the powers of one player each Night. The Cabal win when: > > 1. At least one Cabalist is alive. > 2. All Wolves are dead. > 3. All Undead are dead. > 4. There are one or no Witches remaining. One thing I would like to note. I believe, based on **Hal** ’s role, that there were two Werewolves in play at the start of Day Seven. I doubt that at that time there were more than four non-Town in total (taking into account **PO** ’s faction). Something to take into account when chewing the gamestate over at Night. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2008, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2484 "2008-08-13T23:28:02Z")
[QUOTE=cckerberos] That confirms **peeker** , right? [/QUOTE] Unless someone wants to change their claim that would be a big fat yepper, and **PO** came out better than I thought. Woot woot, go town. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2485 "2008-08-14T16:12:10Z")
Since **DB** is one of the last wolfies if **ONK** has the role he says he has (which I seriously doubt) it’s in towns best interest that he protects our confirmed wolfie. Kind of ironic that a claimed townie would be protecting a scummer. Course since I think he is full of hoo don’t see it happening. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2486 "2008-08-14T21:45:07Z")
And for all of you Little Orphan Annbie Fan Club members get you decoder rings ready. Aumvj **PML** $smsms. Nrdy $pbr gpt ypem, O$JP. Waits for **DB** and **OAW** to explode. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2487 "2008-08-14T22:59:24Z")
I think pretty much any player will agree that coded messages are against the spirit of the game. Now, hiding breadcrumbs in a normal post is one thing, but posting in code is entirely another. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2488 "2008-08-15T02:43:01Z")
[QUOTE=Drain Bead] I think pretty much any player will agree that coded messages are against the spirit of the game. Now, hiding breadcrumbs in a normal post is one thing, but posting in code is entirely another. [/QUOTE] Sheesh. Just go one key to the left on a BB keyboard. Whoopin’ bad a code. Cripes, some Head and Shoulders will take that dandruff right off of the ol’pelt. I think some of you folks need a little more fiber in your diet. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2489 "2008-08-15T07:14:31Z")
[QUOTE=peekercpa] And for all of you Little Orphan Annbie Fan Club members get you decoder rings ready. Aumvj **PML** $smsms. Nrdy $pbr gpt ypem, O$JP. Waits for **DB** and **OAW** to explode. [/QUOTE] truly the night blooming dahlias are a congruent harmony. Grok the cerulean whale! ---
**Author:** ![Omi\_no\_Kami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e4f/32.png) [@Omi\_no\_Kami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omi_no_Kami)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2490 "2008-08-15T07:54:23Z")
[QUOTE=Drain Bead] I think pretty much any player will agree that coded messages are against the spirit of the game. Now, hiding breadcrumbs in a normal post is one thing, but posting in code is entirely another. [/QUOTE] That may be so, and I’d have no problem if this was decided in future games, but for the record I consulted **Pleo** before posting #167, and he told me that as long as I was posting in plain text, and not intentionally using a cipher, it would be fine. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2491 "2008-08-15T11:42:51Z")
[QUOTE=Omi no Kami] That may be so, and I’d have no problem if this was decided in future games, but for the record I consulted **Pleo** before posting #167, and he told me that as long as I was posting in plain text, and not intentionally using a cipher, it would be fine. [/QUOTE] I think that’s pretty much exactly what I said. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2492 "2008-08-15T13:20:44Z")
[QUOTE=Drain Bead] I think pretty much any player will agree that coded messages are against the spirit of the game. Now, hiding breadcrumbs in a normal post is one thing, but posting in code is entirely another. [/QUOTE] I have now spent more than 12 hours trying to figure out what coded message of evil you embedded in the above. I have failed, and bow to a skill far defter than my own. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2493 "2008-08-15T13:55:28Z")
[QUOTE=Drain Bead] **I** think pretty much **a** ny player will agree that coded **m** essages are again **s** t the spirit of the game. Now, hiding bread **c** r **u** mbs in a nor **m** al post is one thing, but posting in code is entirely another. [/QUOTE] \ Found it **story** ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2494 "2008-08-15T14:05:06Z")
[QUOTE=peekercpa] And for all of you Little Orphan Annbie Fan Club members get you decoder rings ready. Aumvj **PML** $smsms. Nrdy $pbr gpt ypem, O$JP. Waits for **DB** and **OAW** to explode. [/QUOTE] Encrypted text does violate the spirit of the game and possibly the policy of the SDMB (which generally requires posting in English). I don’t have game rules against it, though, so there are no sanctions for it. But I’d prefer players avoid doing it, both for fairness in the game and to avoid problems with the jack-booted mods. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2495 "2008-08-15T14:10:37Z")
[QUOTE=Omi no Kami] That may be so, and I’d have no problem if this was decided in future games, but for the record I consulted **Pleo** before posting #167, and he told me that as long as I was posting in plain text, and not intentionally using a cipher, it would be fine. [/QUOTE] Yes, it’s fine to encode a hidden message in a regular post. It’s encryption (incomprehensible without the key) that should be avoided. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2496 "2008-08-15T14:53:08Z")
[QUOTE=Pleonast] Encrypted text does violate the spirit of the game and possibly the policy of the SDMB (which generally requires posting in English). I don’t have game rules against it, though, so there are no sanctions for it. But I’d prefer players avoid doing it, both for fairness in the game and to avoid problems with the jack-booted mods. [/QUOTE] Ok. Just trying to inject a wee bit of levity. I mean, sheesh, when I originally composed the post in question my eleven year old looked at it and asked why I was typing one character off. And another “warning”. I feel like Dennis Rodman (the original Piston not the clown that played for my beloved Spurs) or Bill Lambier. And I still think that some additional fiber is indicated. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2497 "2008-08-15T17:32:52Z")
Something I’ve just noticed I never replied to. [QUOTE=Zsofia] I wasn’t expecting the two of you to lynch me at all. Wouldn’t that be just as last-minute-vote-switchy as what I did? Even more so, because I just changed a tie and the two of you would be selecting a victim at the eleventh hour? I didn’t think you guys would do that and so wasn’t worried about it at all. [/QUOTE] It would not have been as switchy for one reason. Neither **Storyteller** nor I had a vote placed. Additionally, you had reason to know that both of us were online and thinking about votes. So I remain suspicious of you for that reason. There remain four Unknown, probably containing two Townspeople and two non-Townspeople (assuming that **NAF** was some variety of anti-Town player). **Peeker** remains on the list of Unknown because my definition of Known is (in this game) “someone who **Pleo** has told me the alignment of.” I’m inclined to believe there is a Vicar, and thus to accept his claim, but he is still technically Unknown. That gives us a two-in-three chance of picking an anti-Town player by lynching in the other three. Good odds. I’m waiting to see who survives the Night before I do any heavy thinking about which one I want to lynch. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2498 "2008-08-15T17:49:19Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] I have now spent more than 12 hours trying to figure out what coded message of evil you embedded in the above. I have failed, and bow to a skill far defter than my own. [/QUOTE] That may be the funniest (and saddest, if you’re not joking) thing I’ve ever read in a Mafia game. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2499 "2008-08-15T19:11:07Z")
Ah, another beautiful Night has been flittered away, and another cold corpse makes an exit: **Koldanar** is dead. And a final note about the late **Oredigger77** : a Warlock. Welcome to a Day Eight! ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2500 "2008-08-15T19:20:05Z")
Farewell all…I lasted far longer than I had a right to. Finish off those buggers for me! GO TOWN! ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2008, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2501 "2008-08-15T19:22:53Z")
So, a few people might like to start explaining themselves, unless both **Omi** and **Cookies** want to say they were blocked. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324.md?page=124) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324.md?page=126)