# Mafia: Conspiracy 2: The Cabal Strikes Back! \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2008, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324 "2008-06-09T14:52:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 128
**Author:** ![cckerberos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@cckerberos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cckerberos)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2008, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2542 "2008-08-16T17:24:28Z")
At this point I strongly suspect **Cookies** as being Scum. That said, I’m leaning heavily towards lynching a Scotsman today. I like the immediate information that Town would gain. I also feel that **NAF** ’s faction reveal at the end of the Day will give us some useful information for analyzing **Cookies** and that Town can afford to wait a bit before lynching him. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2008, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2543 "2008-08-16T18:17:17Z")
[QUOTE=MHaye] **peekercpa**? **Peeker** is not my candidate of choice for today. Of the four, he’s my lowest pick for an anti-Town role unless three of the four players are nonTown, an eventuality that I consider unlikely at best. Also, his claim of Vicar is quite likely to be in the game, and whether he is Town or not we learn nothing immediately from lynching him; we have to wait until dusk of Day Nine to learn what he is.. [/QUOTE] \ We have a Nec, no brain eater shows up on night one, ergo we have a Vicar. Our other claimed Vicar was a cabal. Now if **ONK** or **cookies** want to change their bogus claims to Vicar they are very welcome and I will walk to the gallows first. At this point it seems like a town for scum trade is a net gain for town. That’s why I think **ONK** or **Z** is a pretty safe bet. I don’t believe there are two scots. Lynch the wrong one and we have another confirmed townie as well as having an easy target manana (not a code - it’s espanol). Since **ONK** ’s claim is so contradictory my vote stands. And if I get any grief about the non english posts then anyone who references tacos, tostados, tortellinis, tortillas, Tejas, tempeh or tandoori 'tis totally toast. Tada. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2008, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2544 "2008-08-16T18:40:22Z")
[QUOTE=peekercpa] \ We have a Nec, no brain eater shows up on night one, ergo we have a Vicar. [/QUOTE] The conclusion does not follow automatically from the data. We cannot entirely rule out the possibility that **Dotchan** forgot to turn in an animation order in Night 1. That hypothesis also adequately explains the lack of a Zombie on Night 1. What evidence is there that points to one of these hypotheses over the other? I can’t think of any. Consequently I don’t accept that there _has to be_ a Vicar. I think it’s likely, but it’s not certain. It is the absence of unambiguous pointers to the truthfulness of your claim that means I can’t take you out of the pool of unknowns. Frankly, given the nature of your claimed role, I doubt whether any unambiguous proof will be forthcoming. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2008, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2545 "2008-08-16T19:44:41Z")
[QUOTE=MHaye] We cannot entirely rule out the possibility that **Dotchan** forgot to turn in an animation order in Night 1. That hypothesis also adequately explains the lack of a Zombie on Night 1. [/QUOTE] \ Fair enough. I wish I had more time but I’ve got to run and go kill those pigs that just flew out of my ass. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2008, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2546 "2008-08-16T22:34:20Z")
[QUOTE=MHaye] What could expose the lie? [/QUOTE] The true killer of Fluiddruid could expose the lie. If I’m supposed to be a wolf, I obviously couldn’t have been the one who killed her. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2008, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2547 "2008-08-16T22:36:29Z")
Or I should say, at least come after me hard knowing that I’d be lying about having killed her, if her killer happened to be scum. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2008, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2548 "2008-08-17T21:07:44Z")
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies] The true killer of Fluiddruid could expose the lie. If I’m supposed to be a wolf, I obviously couldn’t have been the one who killed her. [/QUOTE] 1. The true killer of FD could have been dead by the time you claimed. 2. There could have been a double-up. 3. Most likely, the true killer of FD was scum who did not want to draw attention to him/herself. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2008, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2549 "2008-08-17T21:25:34Z")
[QUOTE=Drain Bead] 1. The true killer of FD could have been dead by the time you claimed. 2. There could have been a double-up. 3. Most likely, the true killer of FD was scum who did not want to draw attention to him/herself. [/QUOTE] Yes, all true. But from a risk-analysis perspective, claiming a kill that isn’t your’s to claim carries, imho, significant risk for whoever cooks up the lie. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2008, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2550 "2008-08-17T21:27:00Z")
Good to be back. I hope it sticks. _crosses fingers_ ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2008, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2551 "2008-08-17T22:29:04Z")
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies] Good to be back. I hope it sticks. _crosses fingers_ [/QUOTE] I hear you–I’d been trying to make that post for 24 hours now. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2008, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2552 "2008-08-18T14:05:10Z")
Okay, in case anything else happens to the board I’m getting a vote in now. **vote Omi no Kami** I am still considering Cookies. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2008, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2553 "2008-08-18T18:03:08Z")
I’m writing this from Cleveland, OH, where I have a massive fever and am miserable and sick. Miserable and sick in Cleveland, I hardly need say, is a lousy way to be. Because I’m sick, my chances to participate meaningfully during this Day are pretty low. But I want to get a vote in to avoid mod-kill, so: vote Cookies I’m not sure how much it matters at this point. I’m pretty confident that **Cookies** is scum of some stripe - I don’t believe for half a heartbeat that she was blocked last night, with Koldanar still alive; that would have been silly and senseless on the part of the Cabal. Cookies is probably scum, and one of ONK and Zsofia is, too. Ideally, we should lynch Cabal before non-Cabal scum, but I simply have no idea how to achieve that, so all we can do is try to lynch scum and hope for the best. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2008, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2554 "2008-08-18T18:42:36Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] I’m writing this from Cleveland, OH, where I have a massive fever and am miserable and sick. Miserable and sick in Cleveland, I hardly need say, is a lousy way to be. Because I’m sick, my chances to participate meaningfully during this Day are pretty low. But I want to get a vote in to avoid mod-kill, so: vote Cookies I’m not sure how much it matters at this point. I’m pretty confident that **Cookies** is scum of some stripe - I don’t believe for half a heartbeat that she was blocked last night, with Koldanar still alive; that would have been silly and senseless on the part of the Cabal. Cookies is probably scum, and one of ONK and Zsofia is, too. Ideally, we should lynch Cabal before non-Cabal scum, but I simply have no idea how to achieve that, so all we can do is try to lynch scum and hope for the best. [/QUOTE] If a Cabalist reasonably thought they’d be targeted overnight, it might be smarter to block the killer than the person who may or may not investigate them–especially if you think the investigator might be killed as well, due to the fact that someone mentioned in the Night thread that the Scottish Doc should protect a freakin’ Wolf instead of the investigator. Mind you, I’m leaning toward the idea that **Cookies** is scum as well, but it wasn’t so hard to read the thread and guess what the other teams might be doing last Night. At this point, if I had to guess, I’d say that **Cookies** and **ONK** are the remaining scum, but **Zsofia** could very well be a scumbag as well. Everyone’s looking pretty scummy for different reasons. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2555 "2008-08-19T00:45:47Z")
[QUOTE=Drain Bead] If a Cabalist reasonably thought they’d be targeted overnight, it might be smarter to block the killer than the person who may or may not investigate them–especially if you think the investigator might be killed as well, due to the fact that someone mentioned in the Night thread that the Scottish Doc should protect a freakin’ Wolf instead of the investigator. Mind you, I’m leaning toward the idea that **Cookies** is scum as well, but it wasn’t so hard to read the thread and guess what the other teams might be doing last Night. At this point, if I had to guess, I’d say that **Cookies** and **ONK** are the remaining scum, but **Zsofia** could very well be a scumbag as well. Everyone’s looking pretty scummy for different reasons. [/QUOTE] Well a couple of things. It was moi who suggested that our claiming docsman protect you, a wolf. I was concerned that **PO** was going to turn up undead and a cabal killing power would reduce you from the pool that would increase the cabal’s chance of winning. Blah, blah, blah blah on [bONK\*\*. Stretch him, and if he lives then **Z** moves to toastville. One of the reasons for not voting **Z** is her willingness to vote **ONK**. If she is scum then it is in her best interest to keep him alive so that she does not ride the lightning PDQ. Also, if **ONK** is a doc who the hell is left to protect? Just a bunch of confirmed townieswith no powers left. Let’s string him and we get answers on two remaining unknowns. And **story** feel better. I was once sick on a trip to Detroit and was ready to be taken to the back fourty and turned to glue. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2556 "2008-08-19T11:36:21Z")
[QUOTE=peekercpa] And **story** feel better. I was once sick on a trip to Detroit and was ready to be taken to the back fourty and turned to glue. [/QUOTE] Yeah, definitely. It sucks to be sick when you’re away from home. I got deliriously ill in New York City the last time I was there–right around Christmas, too. It was awful. My stepfather and husband were just talking about the last meal we ate there at some big burger place, and I don’t remember it at all. I also got food poisoning on my last day in Vegas one time and spent an entire red-eye flight puking with a 102-degree fever. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2557 "2008-08-19T12:34:55Z")
Well, I still say Omi is a terrible lynch, but it really doesn’t matter. We will just add one more confirmed townie to the pile. Since, I believe she is the most likely candidate for the final cabal spot. **vote Zsofia** ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2558 "2008-08-19T14:59:33Z")
I’ve thought about moving my vote, because I wouldn’t be averse to lynching a claimed Scotsman. Currently we have 5 known Town, 1 known Werewolf and four unknowns. If we lynch a claimed Scotsman, either they’re telling the truth and survive, moving into the known Town group and making it 6/1/3, or they die and are exposed as a liar and putting the split at 5/1/3 with it extremely likely that we’ve just lynched a non-Town player. We’ll have to wait to find out the faction, of course. Unless someone shifts vote from **Omi no Kami** though, it is extremely likely that an attempt to lynch **Zsofia** risks failure, and possibly even tying up the vote; and while failure to lynch because we’ve unearthed a Scotsman means we still emerge with some information, failure to lynch because of no-lynch is simply a disaster for the Town, as it gives a tempo to the anti-Town forces. Consequently, absent a major shift away from **Omi** , I don’t think I’ll be moving my vote. In other news, my participation from about Noon tomorrow (BST) is going to be sporadic until the evening of Wednesday 27th August. As people from the other site may remember, this is because I will be sharing my computer for a week with my fiancee - so we’ll have other things to do than read message boards all day. 😉 I will follow the thread (most days, anyway) and participate as able. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2559 "2008-08-19T20:23:03Z")
[QUOTE=Drain Bead] I also got food poisoning on my last day in Vegas one time and spent an entire red-eye flight puking with a 102-degree fever. [/QUOTE] \ Probably means that you came out ahead. It seems like a lot of folks that I know that come back winners are kind of under the weather. I think they poison the money. Discouges you from walking with some of their cash - don’t you know. And **MHaye** my top two choices toDay are between **ONK** and **Z**. I just feel stronger about my current choice. I guess we are just going to have agree to disagree for now. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2560 "2008-08-19T22:24:20Z")
**Pleo, can we get an official vote count?** ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2008, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/2561 "2008-08-20T00:26:23Z")
[QUOTE=peekercpa] **Pleo, can we get an official vote count?** [/QUOTE] Same place it always is, see my sig. Summary: five votes for Omi, two each for Cookies and Zsofia. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324.md?page=127) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324.md?page=129)