# Mafia: Conspiracy 2: The Cabal Strikes Back! \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2008, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324 "2008-06-09T14:52:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/561 "2008-06-19T20:43:40Z")
Well there have been another three votes against a Day 1 role reveal, so this means that I shall put the idea away for another time. However, it has provided some interesting things to pick over, so I will have a look at them in due course. Oh well, back to hunting scum the old fashioned way then. šŸ˜ƒ So **Nanook** , given that you have a lot of votes against you, anything to say? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/562 "2008-06-19T20:47:23Z")
What can I say? Iā€™ve explained what happened mulitple times. No one seems to care. It seems my only other option would be to claim, but I would like to wait at least a little bit longer before I do that. Donā€™t take that to mean Iā€™m going to wait til 10 minutes before the deadline, but since the Day doesnā€™t end for what, a week?, Iā€™ll wait. I do have a question for the people voting for me though. What exactly do you think I am? Obviously you donā€™t think Iā€™m town, but what do you think I am? Undead? Wolf? Cabal? ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/563 "2008-06-19T21:38:57Z")
Well, as somebody said upthread, I donā€™t think youā€™re a member of a faction that shares its secret power. Youā€™d be somebody specifically with a secret power. In the first game, that would mean you could be Town or Cabal, but not a wolf unless youā€™re the Alpha Wolf or Undead. Do I have that right? I didnā€™t play that game, so Iā€™m going off what Iā€™m reading from the secret board from that game (specifically [here](http://masontalk.proboards51.com/index.cgi?board=den&action=display&thread=35)), which might be confusing me. Of course, I donā€™t think I need to tell you all that that could be completely and totally different this game, just theorizing. Numerically it seems quite likely that a secret power holder, if this game is similar to the last one, would be town. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/564 "2008-06-19T21:45:03Z")
Undead, since Wolf and Cabal have already had a chance to talk and share information. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/565 "2008-06-19T21:50:05Z")
Oh, true. One assumes special powers would have been discussed at Night by groups that can talk secretly. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/566 "2008-06-19T21:59:52Z")
[QUOTE=Hawkeyeop] Wow, Iā€™'m behind in this game. I didnā€™t realize night zero had ended until I saw people voting. Time to catch up a bit. [/QUOTE] You and me bothā€¦I though we were in Night Zero until today. I donā€™t put much credence in night zeros, so I was fully planning to just skim through. So much for that ideaā€¦anyway, ā€œthings that jumped out at me while catching upā€ coming up shortly. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/567 "2008-06-19T22:10:20Z")
Undead or our towns secret role or anything and you explanation is true Is there any reason not ignore anything nannook says for the rest of the day, have him investigated overnight (and possibly protected in case he is town, the scum with night kills will probably want him dead in case), the act on it tomorrow, thus get on with discussing other lynch candidates. I am a little concerned this whole nanook deal is a good excuse to shut down further discussion for the day as it becomes a done deal. If we don;t keep poking around we will not get anywhere. Other option , it is a deliberate accidental dumb post. If nannook is cabal or wolves , and they are throwing him under a bus. In which case may be not the first person to spot the slip, but those shortly after are getting in on the act and getting town kudos. As I said I am paranoid, but maybe the Nannok lynch all looks a little too neat. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/568 "2008-06-19T22:13:45Z")
reposted with added spelling checks and clarity Undead or, our towns secret role or, any team and nanooks explanation is true Is there any reason not to ignore anything nannook says for the rest of the day, then have him investigated overnight (and possibly protected in case he is town, the scum with night kills will probably want him dead if he is not scum), then act on it tomorrow, thus get on with discussing other lynch candidates. I am a little concerned this whole nanook deal is being used as a good excuse to shut down further discussion for the day as the lynch becomes a done deal. If we donā€™t keep poking around we will not get anywhere. Other option , it is a deliberate accidental dumb post. If nannook is cabal or wolves , and they are throwing him under a bus. In which case may be not the first person to spot the slip, but those shortly after are getting in on the act and getting town kudos. As I said I am paranoid, but maybe the Nannok lynch all looks a little too neat. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/569 "2008-06-19T22:15:21Z")
[QUOTE=brewha] **CIAS** , still not buying it. And, I find it odd that you are pushing so hard for a role claim. Donā€™t you remeber Batman? If **Hal Briston** (IIRC) had gotten everyones role, the game would have been over. [/QUOTE] Not quite sure what it is, but something about this post is rubbing me the wrong way. If I had gotten everyoneā€™s _true_ role, yes, that game wouldā€™ve been over. But the whole point was that _scum lie_. It then falls upon the rest of us to figure out who is covering their tracks. Now that I think about it, the analogy falls apart when you consider that in Batman, the scum were _handed_ false role claims. The scum have no such bit of convenience here. [QUOTE=pedescribe] Okay, CatInASuit, letā€™s go with your assumption that weā€™ll be able to see through scum falseclaims (which I still donā€™t buy). The wolves have no reason to attack other scum, **so anytime they see a false roleclaim** , theyā€™ll know not to attack those people. [/QUOTE] (Bolding mine) How are the wolves supposed to know what is a false roleclaim and what isnā€™t? (Unless, of course, a townie roleclaims ā€œwolfā€) Ok, thatā€™s it for posts that jumped out at me (well, no, it isnā€™tā€¦but I deleted the ones that have already been addressed). Now then, as for ā€œto role claim or not to role claimā€ā€¦I think **MHaye** put out a very good, reasoned pro/con breakdown of role claiming [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9917228&postcount=478). And if the voting were closer, I might make a harder push for a mass-claim, but I can see that it isnā€™t going to happen. However, there is one thing that hasnā€™t been put out there: Mass role-claims are fun. They turn the game into a sweaty, panicky, chaotic clusterfuck. I know thatā€™s not everyoneā€™s cup of tea, but I love it that way. šŸ™‚ Then again, Iā€™m the guy who once drunkenly lit off a pack of bottle rockets in a packed-with-similarly-drunken-people hotel room. Chaos can be fun.) Last bit for the day: I apparently hate myself, because Iā€™m creating a voting chart for this game (as opposed to Cecilvania, which only got one dayā€™s worth of data before a server crash made my site inaccessible for over a week). Should be set tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/570 "2008-06-19T22:16:44Z")
[QUOTE=Diomedes] Perhaps I should switch my ā€˜second placeā€™ vote to you. You donā€™t want a mass-claim because you think itā€™s ā€˜too easyā€™? Does that mean you think itā€™s too strong a pro-town move, and you want an even playing field? [/QUOTE] Iā€™ve got to echo this sentiment. Any time a player states that a play is optimal for Town but they choose not to do it for some amorphous reason, I get very suspicious. Be for or against the mass claim, but explain in-game reasoning, donā€™t just say ā€œitā€™s too easy to win that wayā€. Not worth a vote yet but something to note and remember. As for Nanook, I hate to jump on a pileon but to avoid risk of a modkill Iā€™m going to go ahead and **vote Nanook of the North Shore** A slip-up and backpedalling is about the best we can hope for on Day 1 so barring more information I am comfortable with this vote. I really dislike that we havenā€™t had any other major candidates under consideration but after a re-read I havenā€™t found anything that jumps out at me, so I donā€™t really have a suggestion at this point. I do agree with **Santo Rugger** that if Nanook is scum as suspected, he is likely Undead. That means heā€™s either a Vampire or the Necromancer. Iā€™m assuming thereā€™s probably one of each in the game. As such, I have a slight concern. If we are assuming he is a likely scum suspect that we specifically believe to be Undead ā€“ is there strategy in holding off for a day? While the Necromancer isnā€™t likely doing us any favors, the Vampire is a risk to the other factions just as much as to us. I didnā€™t live very long in the previous Conspiracy game so Iā€™d be interested to hear other thoughts on this point. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/571 "2008-06-19T22:19:28Z")
Bah, after submitting my post I realize that a suspected or confirmed Vampire is worth nearly nothing in terms of holding back night kills, since any suspected undead is very unlikely to be targeted. I think my argument can be safely ignored. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/572 "2008-06-19T22:31:23Z")
[QUOTE=fluiddruid] Bah, after submitting my post I realize that a suspected or confirmed Vampire is worth nearly nothing in terms of holding back night kills, since any suspected undead is very unlikely to be targeted. I think my argument can be safely ignored. [/QUOTE] I would guess it would be precisely the opposite - that scum would specifically avoid players who could possibly have a ā€œbacklashā€. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/573 "2008-06-19T22:34:49Z")
[QUOTE=NaturalBlondChap] \Is there any reason not to ignore anything nannook says for the rest of the day, then have him investigated overnight (and possibly protected in case he is town, the scum with night kills will probably want him dead if he is not scum), then act on it tomorrow, thus get on with discussing other lynch candidates. [/quote] Is there any reason to out our investigator(s), get all our investigators and protectors to focus on the same person, give scum an easy shot at claiming investigator Tomorrow, and head off in another direction? I canā€™t think of a single one. As far as stifling conversation, I fail to see how other topics arenā€™t being concurrently discussed. > [@](#): > > Other option , it is a deliberate accidental dumb post. If nannook is cabal or wolves , and they are throwing him under a bus. In which case may be not the first person to spot the slip, but those shortly after are getting in on the act and getting town kudos. As I said I am paranoid, but maybe the Nannok lynch all looks a little too neat. This is a known scum tactic, which no longer brings any town creed with it. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/574 "2008-06-19T22:37:08Z")
[QUOTE=fluiddruid] As for Nanook, I hate to jump on a pileon but to avoid risk of a modkill Iā€™m going to go ahead and **vote Nanook of the North Shore** [/QUOTE] One can place a vote without joining a bandwagon. See **atarus** voting for his bed buddy\*. _crossing my fingers_ I hope you two think thatā€™s as funny as I do. ---
**Author:** ![Omi\_no\_Kami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e4f/32.png) [@Omi\_no\_Kami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omi_no_Kami)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/575 "2008-06-19T22:39:25Z")
I have other suspicions, but I donā€™t feel justified acting on them, so Iā€™m also going to Vote Nanook. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/576 "2008-06-19T22:53:28Z")
[QUOTE=Omi no Kami] I have other suspicions, but I donā€™t feel justified acting on them, so Iā€™m also going to Vote Nanook. [/QUOTE] Can you share them with us? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/577 "2008-06-19T23:11:24Z")
[QUOTE=Omi no Kami] I have other suspicions, but I donā€™t feel justified acting on them, so Iā€™m also going to Vote Nanook. [/QUOTE] This vote does not comply with voting regulations. Votes need to be blue, bold and on a separate line. **Like This!** While Iā€™ll count non-compliant votes if I see them, if I miss it, you have no right to complain. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/578 "2008-06-19T23:15:54Z")
Who is this player, **Like This!** that you speak of? Have they even posted yet today? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/579 "2008-06-19T23:20:20Z")
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger] Who is this player, **Like This!** that you speak of? Have they even posted yet today? [/QUOTE] Well, any player who hasnā€™t voted by the end of the Day is mod-killed, so you neednā€™t worry too much. šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2008, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/580 "2008-06-19T23:23:45Z")
Just in case the dope goes on a week long hiatus. **vote hawkeyeop** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324.md?page=30)