# Mafia: Conspiracy 2: The Cabal Strikes Back! \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2008, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324 "2008-06-09T14:52:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2008, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/681 "2008-06-21T11:20:34Z")
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger] A question to those who have access to the offboard for this game… this is going to be ultra super duper beyond metagaming, but help me out. **Diomedes** , as a witch last game, busted me because I tried to set up a new account to support my claim. It didn’t work, but I was wondering if we could have Nanook tell us the name of the offboard site, and then look at it and ask him to log on at a predetermined time. Then we would all see “witch 2” or whatever logging on at, say 0934, and it’d be a self verifying claim. [/QUOTE] Way outside the spirit of the game. Please don’t. [QUOTE=peekercpa] Sorry dude. Never been head to head with you but this a stupid fucking piece of mealy mouthed shit head kind of bucket of piss kind of idea. [/QUOTE] Please try to avoid making it too personal or make it clear your comments are in-game. I rather not have players get suspended or worse by the real mods. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2008, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/682 "2008-06-21T12:21:44Z")
[QUOTE=Pleonast] Way outside the spirit of the game. Please don’t.Please try to avoid making it too personal or make it clear your comments are in-game. I rather not have players get suspended or worse by the real mods. [/QUOTE] Apologies to all. Having some stuff going down personally and the suggestion just kind of touched a personal nerve. No excuse, however. Extends olive branch to **santo**. Peace? Philip ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2008, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/683 "2008-06-21T13:45:11Z")
[QUOTE=CatInASuit] Umm, really. So the fact the Cabal are roleblockers and are capable of roleblocking Nanook, if he is a Witch, leaving him open to be killed tonight escaped your attention. Oh and your telling the other pro-town roles what to do. Any further comments? [/QUOTE] Just this one: > [@from the rules](#): > > You are a Cabalist, a member of the Cabal. The other Cabalists are (…). You may talk secretly among yourselves, Day or Night, whether alive or dead (see details below). The Cabal may choose to block the actions of one player each Night. The decision must be without dissent. This will prevent the use of the targeted player’s powers that Night and stop any attacks they may attempt. Witches are immune to being blocked and your power is ineffective against secret powers. Witches are immune to being blocked. Maybe that escaped your attention. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2008, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/684 "2008-06-21T13:47:15Z")
Damn, beaten to the punch! ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2008, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/685 "2008-06-21T13:53:23Z")
Itchy witchy stupid glitchy stitchy witchy Richy Ritchie… \*\*Unvote: Nanook De La Norte Vote: Pollux Oil ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2008, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/686 "2008-06-21T13:57:14Z")
Any comment to go with that vote **Dio**? Are you just hopping the next wagon? ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2008, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/687 "2008-06-21T14:04:14Z")
[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey] Any comment to go with that vote **Dio**? Are you just hopping the next wagon? [/QUOTE] You know I’m an old fashioned wagon-hopper, Hockey, but I’m just following my last lead. I think I made a bit of an explanation a few pages back, but in summary: I don’t trust someone who doesn’t want to use the tools available to the town because they’re possibly powerful tools. I don’t (and I think none of our little cult does) feel this game is a game of chance, where the town randomly selects a lynch target, and power roles and the mafia duke it out with night actions. Refusing to use in-game tactics\* based on their supposed unfairness to scum\* smacks of trying to fabricate a reason to be against a roleclaim other than “I don’t want to have to claim scum or make up a piss-poor excuse for a roleclaim.” That being said, I, hypocritical as it may be, agree with **peekerpa** that **Santo** ’s idea seems over the edge of metagaming. And that **Santo** ’s mother wears army boots. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2008, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/688 "2008-06-21T14:08:20Z")
And anyways, isn’t the next wagon abrewin’ not on Pollux, but on my good ole’ buddy Cat? ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2008, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/689 "2008-06-21T15:09:31Z")
[QUOTE=MHaye] In summary; if Nanook is not a Witch, then the level of risk from being targeted by other factions varies, depending on what role he actually holds. We can’t assume that if he survives the Night his claim is true. The chance of it being true goes up a great deal, but he could still be a Vampire. [/QUOTE] I agree with your analysis entirely, and want to be very clear: I never said or even suggested that if **Nanook** survives the night, we should assume his claim is true. Even if he comes back with an investigation that turns out to be correct, we can’t assume he’s telling the truth - there are way to many other possible powers out there. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2008, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/690 "2008-06-21T15:55:11Z")
I need to catch up… but **Vote Darth Sensitive** He’s _always_ the freaking godfather! ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2008, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/691 "2008-06-21T17:25:17Z")
[QUOTE=Pleonast] Way outside the spirit of the game. [/quote] Sorry **Pleo**. That’s what I get for blasting out whatever comes to the top of my head instead of thinking about it beforehand. > [@pleo](#): > > Please don’t.Please try to avoid making it too personal or make it clear your comments are in-game. I rather not have players get suspended or worse by the real mods. FWIW, I thought he was attacking the _idea_, not me personally, and I was literally laughing my ass of as I read it. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2008, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/692 "2008-06-21T17:30:28Z")
[QUOTE=peekercpa] Apologies to all. Having some stuff going down personally and the suggestion just kind of touched a personal nerve. No excuse, however. Extends olive branch to **santo**. Peace? Philip [/QUOTE] Should have included this in the last post, but I tend to just post when I see something that strikes me, then go back a second time over the unread posts when I’m done with all the first replies. Anyway, no worries **peek** , you truly gave me the best laugh I’ve had all weekend, and I was even out drinkin’ last night. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2008, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/693 "2008-06-21T18:23:38Z")
Voting with the intent to unvote in the next post is pretty darn chickenshit. Place a vote, and mean it. We’re going to need to analyze these voting records later, and this little song and dance of vote-unvote is going to introduce noise that is going to make things more complicated than they already are. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2008, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/694 "2008-06-21T19:48:40Z")
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger] Voting with the intent to unvote in the next post is pretty darn chickenshit. Place a vote, and mean it. We’re going to need to analyze these voting records later, and this little song and dance of vote-unvote is going to introduce noise that is going to make things more complicated than they already are. [/QUOTE] And it was an attack on the idea not the individual. But if our Mod can construe it differently than I need to re-evaluate. And GD, I agree whole heartedly. It is bull fiddly to do what **santo** is referring to. Damn, make up sex is the best. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2008, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/695 "2008-06-21T20:12:50Z")
[QUOTE=ShadowFacts] Can you elaborate? Do you mean it feels contrived or something else? [/QUOTE] Yes, that is what I meant. I don’t know what about it feels wrong…but it feels staged, like neither one of them really believes what they are saying, at least not all the way. Something is wrong there. They may not be on the same side, but I am certain that they are both playing something other than what they are stating. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2008, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/696 "2008-06-21T21:42:43Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > You know what, there is nothing about this post that I like. Nothing. > > Also, I have been wanting to move my vote off of Dot for a bit, and I think this gives me the opportunity. > > unvote Dot > vote Pedescribe (color stolen by color gnomes) Could you clarify? I can’t defend against an accusation this vauge…unless it’s just a smudge. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2008, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/697 "2008-06-21T22:01:41Z")
I’ve got a couple of meta game questions and want some input on whether they should be addressed or just closeted? Total seriousness. Gotta go bet on the ponies but will check in tomorrow or later tonight(very drunk - me assumes). ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2008, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/698 "2008-06-21T22:07:03Z")
If they’re a bad idea, you’ll just have to come join me in the corner for a bit. No harm, no foul. I hope. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2008, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/699 "2008-06-21T22:10:06Z")
[QUOTE=pedescribe] (color stolen by color gnomes) Could you clarify? I can’t defend against an accusation this vauge…unless it’s just a smudge. [/QUOTE] You see, here’s the thing. What you just did right there… in that quote of your’s I am quoting up at the top of this post…THAT is a smudge. What I did is called a _vote_. There is a significant difference, one is permanent and in the record and easy to find because of the bright blue color, the other is vague and builds suspicion upon those you think to be easy tagets and is almost 100% unaccountable. Just thought you should get the terminology straight if you are going to whisper je accuse to yourself. Since you asked though. There is nothing in your post with your vote for pollux that can be construed as pro town. You vote for Pollux for the worst of reasons, reasons that you even say you yourself admit to being guilty of. That either means you are admitting that you are scum, or that you are trying to vote for someone ANYONe who you think you might be able to lynch. In my book it’s 6 of one vs. half dozen of the other really. THEN you activly smudge CIAS. Again, not protown. “I’m not voting for you but I have my eye on you” is, frankly, bullshit. Especially when the person you are voting for is getting your vote for a bullshit reason. It would be different if you were dead sure Pollux was scum, but I really don’t think you are. Again, nothing I like about that post. Or the one I quoted up top. I don’t think I will be moving my vote again toDay. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2008, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/700 "2008-06-22T00:01:59Z")
[QUOTE=Pleonast] Please try to avoid making it too personal or make it clear your comments are in-game. I rather not have players get suspended or worse by the real mods. [/QUOTE] For what it’s worth, as the only Game Room mod, it wasn’t really warnable (though it was borderline). That said, I’ve given very few warnings in TGR and I’d like to keep it that way. Besides, we’ve already seen people leave in a huff from mafia games, so let’s keep it civil or completely clear that it’s in-character only. Thanks all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324.md?page=36)