# Mafia: Conspiracy 2: The Cabal Strikes Back! \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2008, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324 "2008-06-09T14:52:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1282 "2008-07-07T14:51:46Z")
[QUOTE=CatInASuit] 1. **OreDigger77**. If **pedescribe** is Cabal as he has stated, then OreDigger’s comment’s on my analysis yesterday become very interesting as he was the only person to really pick it up. His comment that pedescribe had answered all the questions, now looks like someone trying to back up a common faction member. Not to mention his play yesterDay and toDay. [/QUOTE] Its Monday so I’m probably a bit slow in the head but I just scanned back through page 14 and I can’t find me ever referring to any of your posts can you give me a post number so I can remember what you’re talking about? As for peeker’s vote switch I think I get where he’s coming from but once Pede admitted being scum I don’t think that there is any excuse to not vote for him unless there is another claim. A strong hint of scum doesn’t balance out a guarantee and like I said IF CoG888 makes it through then we need to look his direction as it is he’s looking a modkill straight in the face no reason to jump of confirmed scum. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1283 "2008-07-07T15:13:37Z")
[QUOTE=Oredigger77] Its Monday so I’m probably a bit slow in the head but I just scanned back through page 14 and I can’t find me ever referring to any of your posts can you give me a post number so I can remember what you’re talking about? As for peeker’s vote switch I think I get where he’s coming from but once Pede admitted being scum I don’t think that there is any excuse to not vote for him unless there is another claim. A strong hint of scum doesn’t balance out a guarantee and like I said IF CoG888 makes it through then we need to look his direction as it is he’s looking a modkill straight in the face no reason to jump of confirmed scum. [/QUOTE] Sure [post #815](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9936731&postcount=815) What was interesting was that you said you were going to examine the case against pedescribe in [post #806](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9936368&postcount=806). You next post contained two paragraphs on the case saying \*\*NAF1138 \*\* voted for him because \*\*pedescribe \*\* was playing badly and that my case was cherry picked. You then spent several paragraphs rehashing your case against **Pollux Oil**. My take on it: Hello Cabal member **OreDigger77** ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1284 "2008-07-07T15:30:31Z")
Re: **peekercpa** ’s vote switcharoo – I can see someone wanting to jump off the obvious target and getting a jump on the next day’s lynch. It doesn’t serve much purpose, but I can see someone doing it. That said, be forwarned, **peekercpa** …if **CatInASuit** ’s speculation of there being a bomb turns out to be correct, and one of **pedescribe** ’s lynchers blows up, then I’ll have no problem seeing you strung up next. However, if that does not happen, then I don’t want to let this fall by the wayside. Dollars to donuts, we _will_ find scum on this list: [QUOTE=Hal Briston] Let’s assume that we’re all on the right track and that **pedescribe** is scum. If that’s the case, then there is one thing I can 100% guarantee to you all: One of his scumbuddies was quick to jump on that bandwagon. **Diomedes** , **cckerberos** , **Omi** , **OAOW** and **RoOsh** were the first five to lay down a vote for him. I’ll stake anything you want to name that **pedescribe** has a teammate on that list. [/QUOTE] [Vote chart](http://www.sirblah.com/misc/conspiracy2.htm) is up to date. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1285 "2008-07-07T15:36:47Z")
For what it’s worth, I heartily agree with the last portion of **Hal’s** most recent post. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1286 "2008-07-07T15:38:21Z")
Ugh, too quick on the button syndrome strikes again. Should be: I heartily agree with the last portion of **Hal’s** most recent post, provided **pedescribe** turns out to be either Wolf or Cabal. If he’s a Vampire, then all bets are off in that regard. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1287 "2008-07-07T15:48:48Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] For what it’s worth, I heartily agree with the last portion of **Hal’s** most recent post. [/QUOTE] And the paranoid in me now thinks that \*\*storyteller \*\* is Cabal and knows which of the 5 is too… Surely he wouldn’t slip twice in two games. It’s inconceivable. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1288 "2008-07-07T15:49:42Z")
[QUOTE=peekercpa] No vote no post: cog88 No vote: redwing and naf [/QUOTE] Hey, wait a second. I voted for Pede in my first post toDay. It was on its own line and everything. Sorry, took the holiday weekend off. Catching up now. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1289 "2008-07-07T15:55:32Z")
[QUOTE=ShadowFacts] First, **NAF** raised a red flag for me when he put words in **Diomedes** ’ mouth, and in a way that seemed to be designed to make **Dio** look bad. I mentioned it first in [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9958748&postcount=1131) and then responsed to \*\*NAF’s \*\*reply in [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9961851&postcount=1176) . [/QUOTE] There is a level of reading between the lines that you seem to not be doing. There is also a level of forcing someone to talk and explain their ideas by pushing thier buttons that you seem to have defused. Your second linked post removes a lot of other context by snipping individual lines and misses a LOT of what I was saying in my posts as well as what Dio said. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1290 "2008-07-07T16:02:53Z")
[QUOTE=CatInASuit] And the paranoid in me now thinks that \*\*storyteller \*\* is Cabal and knows which of the 5 is too… Surely he wouldn’t slip twice in two games. It’s inconceivable. 😛 [/QUOTE] Wait, what? That doesn’t even make sense. I agree with Hal’s reasoning (provided **ped** is Wolf or Cabal). There’s no “slip” there, except that I didn’t finish my thought before I clicked “submit.” Your post is a non-sequitur, as far as I can tell. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1291 "2008-07-07T16:10:41Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] Wait, what? That doesn’t even make sense. I agree with Hal’s reasoning (provided **ped** is Wolf or Cabal). There’s no “slip” there, except that I didn’t finish my thought before I clicked “submit.” Your post is a non-sequitur, as far as I can tell. [/QUOTE] No **storyteller** , my post is in jest. A mere comment on the slip from the last game, that is all. ::Goes back to day job:: ☹ ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1292 "2008-07-07T16:16:27Z")
[QUOTE=CatInASuit] No **storyteller** , my post is in jest. A mere comment on the slip from the last game, that is all. ::Goes back to day job:: ☹ [/QUOTE] I’ll take “Things I’d Rather Forget Ever Happened” for $500, Alex. But thanks for the reminder. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1293 "2008-07-07T17:51:12Z")
[QUOTE=CatInASuit] Sure [post #815](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9936731&postcount=815) What was interesting was that you said you were going to examine the case against pedescribe in [post #806](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9936368&postcount=806). You next post contained two paragraphs on the case saying \*\*NAF1138 \*\* voted for him because \*\*pedescribe \*\* was playing badly and that my case was cherry picked. You then spent several paragraphs rehashing your case against **Pollux Oil**. My take on it: Hello Cabal member **OreDigger77** [/QUOTE] Ok I get why I missed it I was just summarizing your statements not actually conversing with you. [QUOTE=Oredigger77] As for which case is stronger I think that the two cases are equally built (two good posts for each) but I am comfortable leaving my vote where it is until Pede does something else or if Pollux ever comes back and brings a decent explanation. [snip] I don’t think that I set up a false dichotomy, there is a definite trend in the mafia games that I have played in or read for vote to drop to people who have the best case built against them after a role claim, in most cases number of votes is a good indicator of the strength of the case. This is what I was going back to look at and I think both of these cases are decent so there is a good chance that votes will be redistributed between them. [/QUOTE] So let me get this straight I decide to look at the two people with the second highest vote count at the time, pollux and pede. To do this I evaluate the cases against both and determine that they are equally valid but because I included your case I’m scummy. Or is it because I was talking about Pede responding to you questions with answers, that without the benefit of foresight seemed reasonable, while Pollux hadn’t showed up in that game and there fore wasn’t answering my questions. [QUOTE=CatInASuit] 1. **OreDigger77**. If **pedescribe** is Cabal as he has stated, then OreDigger’s comment’s on my analysis yesterday become very interesting as he was the only person to really pick it up. His comment that pedescribe had answered all the questions, now looks like someone trying to back up a common faction member. Not to mention his play yesterDay and toDay. [/QUOTE] Well I really have no way to rebut your case against me I didn’t exactly what you said. You say that makes me scum I say I’m town trying to figure out if someone is making a better case then the one I was making so I can vote for the best idea. No way to prove it either way. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1294 "2008-07-07T18:56:33Z")
[QUOTE=Oredigger77] So let me get this straight I decide to look at the two people with the second highest vote count at the time, pollux and pede. To do this I evaluate the cases against both and determine that they are equally valid but because I included your case I’m scummy. Or is it because I was talking about Pede responding to you questions with answers, that without the benefit of foresight seemed reasonable, while Pollux hadn’t showed up in that game and there fore wasn’t answering my questions. [/QUOTE] Evaluate the case against **pedescribe**? Let’s see what you wrote shall we. [QUOTE=Oredigger77] Now CIAS’s case against Pede is a bit more interesting after listing a number of Pede’s posts CAIS finds that there is a trend towards talking about the Cabal (or not where it would make sense to) that seems suspicious. Reading the post (#730) it makes a lot of sense but the quotes are cherry picked and since they are over the course of 550 odd posts I don’t have time to reread each in context. Pede’s response to CAIS (#732) makes sense to me. [/QUOTE] So if evaluated the case against him, in which case why did you say that you didn’t have time to reread the context, given that in these games, context is everything? You pretty much dismissed my case as cherry picked quotes and pedescribe’s answers being acceptable, even though he had failed to answer some of the questions. That is a very poor evaluation of my case, if indeed it counts as one at all. Oh and \*\*CIAS \*\* rule #1 of Mafia. No-one listens to **CIAS** , apart from the scum. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1295 "2008-07-07T19:28:21Z")
[QUOTE=NAF1138] There is a level of reading between the lines that you seem to not be doing. [/QUOTE] You say “po-tay-to,” I say “po-tah-to.” You say “reading between the lines,” I say “putting words in another’s mouth.” I’m happy to let the audience decide 😛 [QUOTE=NAF1138] There is also a level of forcing someone to talk and explain their ideas by pushing thier buttons that you seem to have defused. [/QUOTE] Sorry I ruined your plan, but I call 'em how I see 'em. And I should note that **Diomedes** responded to you on this issue before I did, so you got at least one “un-defused” response from him. [QUOTE=NAF1138] Your second linked post removes a lot of other context by snipping individual lines and misses a LOT of what I was saying in my posts as well as what Dio said. [/QUOTE] That’s why I called it a summary. If you believe I’ve altered your meaning by taking something out of context, I invite you to correct me, and I will apologize. But I don’t think I’ve done that. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1296 "2008-07-07T19:31:43Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] I’ll take “Things I’d Rather Forget Ever Happened” for $500, Alex. But thanks for the reminder. 🙂 [/QUOTE] Yeah, but you got the Daily Double and bet it all for the win, you bugger! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1297 "2008-07-07T20:24:10Z")
[QUOTE=CatInASuit] Is that a subtle hint or a sledgehammer aimed in my direction. :dubious: Care to explain. [/QUOTE] Err, actually I completely missed your post. No idea how. The hopefully was more crossing my fingers and hoping that you make it through the night. No harm meant against you at all. Trying to catch up now after the extended weekend. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1298 "2008-07-07T20:44:14Z")
[QUOTE=ShadowFacts] You say “po-tay-to,” I say “po-tah-to.” You say “reading between the lines,” I say “putting words in another’s mouth.” I’m happy to let the audience decide 😛 [/quote] I say that’s fair. > [@](#): > > Sorry I ruined your plan, but I call 'em how I see 'em. And I should note that **Diomedes** responded to you on this issue before I did, so you got at least one “un-defused” response from him. It isn’t so much that you ruined my plan, you just sort of made it impossible for me to get a real idea of what Dio was trying to say from Dio’s own mouth. At this point anything he says on the subject has to be viewed through the filter of this conversation. I am not saying you did a bad thing, I am just saying that for me now the subject (re: dio) is more or less dead. That being said, you and I can continue to go round and round if you like, but I am not sure it will do anyone any good. > [@](#): > > That’s why I called it a summary. If you believe I’ve altered your meaning by taking something out of context, I invite you to correct me, and I will apologize. But I don’t think I’ve done that. Again, there is a lot of subtlety that is missed there. It’s a tone thing that get’s ham fisted in your summary. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1299 "2008-07-07T20:49:12Z")
Right, since I’m doomed, I just wanted to give out a few more moresels of opinion. Town: Good luck interpreting this. Other Scum (and you know who you are): This should make more sense to y’all. And to the other idiot: You know why they call me the King. Trust: Oredigger77, Peekercpa, Dotchan, Hal Briston, Omi no Kami, Pollux Oil, Darth Sensitive, Pleonast Distrust: Dotchan, Drainbead, Cckerberos, Koldanar, NaturalBlondChap, Diogenes the Cynic, Pedescribe Unsure: NAF1138, CoG888, Storyteller0910 😉😉😉😉[😉](http://mikeburnfire.sitesled.com/mscumB.swf) :eek: :smack: 😉😉 :rolleyes: 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1300 "2008-07-07T20:58:50Z")
[QUOTE=CatInASuit] Evaluate the case against **pedescribe**? Let’s see what you wrote shall we. So if evaluated the case against him, in which case why did you say that you didn’t have time to reread the context, given that in these games, context is everything? You pretty much dismissed my case as cherry picked quotes and pedescribe’s answers being acceptable, even though he had failed to answer some of the questions. That is a very poor evaluation of my case, if indeed it counts as one at all. Oh and \*\*CIAS \*\* rule #1 of Mafia. No-one listens to **CIAS** , apart from the scum. 😉 [/QUOTE] Well, I read all of your post as well as all of NAFs and then summarized them. If I’m correct your case should be in your posts so by reading your posts I’m reading your case but like i said there were some 550 posts that you picked out of to get the ones that supported your case I’m not say that is wrong but your did not use all of pede’s post in that time frame. I also said that the quotes that you picked were very persuasive but I worried that in the mix of Pede’s other posts it didn’t seem as good. I believe that you missed that I said your case was as strong as mine against Pollux (which I have dropped because it wasn’t very strong). Sure you ended up finding scum but I may have as well. I’ll just have to remember your rule and pointedly ignore you from now on maybe people will quite misreading me as scum 😃 . ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2008, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1301 "2008-07-07T21:00:09Z")
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