# Mafia: Conspiracy 2: The Cabal Strikes Back! \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2008, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324 "2008-06-09T14:52:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 69
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1362 "2008-07-09T21:06:27Z")
But all we actually know is that it failed. There could be any kind of block in play. Don’t you think that could have been a slip? I mean, it’s a convenient result. ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1363 "2008-07-09T21:09:39Z")
[QUOTE=Zsofia] But all we actually know is that it failed. There could be any kind of block in play. Don’t you think that could have been a slip? I mean, it’s a convenient result. [/QUOTE] Well, we don’t know that there’s any day blocking, do we? As far as I recall, Cat’s detective work is a day action. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1364 "2008-07-09T21:10:19Z")
We know that the Cabal can’t block the exercise of the Detective’s regular power. We also know that no other role is capable of blocking a Day power. The only mechanism in the rules that would prevent a Detective from getting a result is the Detective trying to investigate a Vampire kill. That doesn’t mean that there is no possibility of a roleblocker that can block Day actions, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1365 "2008-07-09T21:10:46Z")
I may have been unclear - what I meant is, **Cat** didn’t say “My investigation failed, so it must have been a Vampire.” He said “ **brewha** was killed by a Vampire.” If “failed” just meant “Vampire” that would be all well and good, but there’s all sorts of secret powers out there, role blocking, etc. It’s also quite a convenient result. I don’t like it. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1366 "2008-07-09T21:31:54Z")
[QUOTE=CatInASuit] Sorry guys, guessed wrong. ☹ **brewha** was killed by a Vampire. [/QUOTE] And you know this how? I thought that those **pesky rules** would merely tell you that you were blocked or give you a no read. Not the identity of what caused the block. ---
**Author:** ![dotchan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@dotchan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dotchan)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1367 "2008-07-09T22:15:17Z")
Sorry for being so quiet. I got caught up in school/holiday stuff. Is the paranoia over CatInASuit’s investigation result more that he came back with a null result, or his choice of words? If the former, that’s somewhat understandable; if the latter, that’s just silly. (I’m assuming that the Detective is the only one with a Day action until we find out otherwise.) ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1368 "2008-07-09T23:28:51Z")
[QUOTE=dotchan] Sorry for being so quiet. I got caught up in school/holiday stuff. Is the paranoia over CatInASuit’s investigation result more that he came back with a null result, or his choice of words? If the former, that’s somewhat understandable; if the latter, that’s just silly. (I’m assuming that the Detective is the only one with a Day action until we find out otherwise.) [/QUOTE] Ok, I’ll tell you where my paranoia comes from. Three potential investigees. **Oxygen Network** is pretty well a silly investigation. **Brewha** shold have been protected by the withchdoctor basoed on his claim and will come back knowing his killer - and may still. **santo** would have been my personal choice. But it still is **CIAS** ’s choice so we have to live with his result or not believe him. Either or … ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2008, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1369 "2008-07-10T00:04:32Z")
Huzzah for Darth! Boo for CoG! …unless, of course, he turns up as scum. I’m starting to wonder if it is possible for anything to not be seen as frustratingly convenient yet at least remotely plausible. Is anyone else besides me already losing track of which stiff is in which stage of decay? ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2008, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1370 "2008-07-10T00:13:14Z")
[QUOTE=Zsofia] But all we actually know is that it failed. There could be any kind of block in play. Don’t you think that could have been a slip? I mean, it’s a convenient result. [/QUOTE] Not defending CIAS here, but that is exactly how I reported my result in the first game and got called out the same way. If he doesn’t get a name, the kill was made by a Vampire. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2008, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1371 "2008-07-10T00:16:52Z")
[QUOTE=dotchan] Is the paranoia over CatInASuit’s investigation result more that he came back with a null result, or his choice of words? If the former, that’s somewhat understandable; if the latter, that’s just silly. (I’m assuming that the Detective is the only one with a Day action until we find out otherwise.) [/QUOTE] Well, I wouldn’t say that I am “paranoid” about his result, but I am dubious. Imagine for a moment that you are scum forced to claim on Day One to avoid the noose. What would you do? Well, a Detective claim is pretty good, since you won’t have a chance to use your power until the following Day. Town unvotes because we don’t want to lose a valuable role, and since there are investigation results forthcoming, the role is eventually confirmable. Then, when the time finally comes for you to reveal an investigation, help find a killer and prove yourself, you say you didn’t get a result back, so your investigatee must have been offed by the vampire. Pretty sweet. The more I think about it, the sweeter I think it is. Of course this result doesn’t mean **CatInASuit** is definitely scum, far from it, but for me it makes it more likely. I’m flashing back to Simpletown where **storyteller** was forced to claim on Day One and strung us along for 3 Days, using Town “readings” to stay alive and lead Town down all the wrong paths. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2008, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1372 "2008-07-10T00:17:03Z")
[QUOTE=Oredigger77] So in theory we got two cabalist in two Days damn we’re good. Considering the trouble Mind Erasers got me into two weeks ago I think I’ll go light this time I’ll take a Harvest Moon. [/QUOTE] What exactly do you mean by your first sentence? We only know that Darth was a Cabalist. Who’s the other one we got? And how do you know? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Omi\_no\_Kami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e4f/32.png) [@Omi\_no\_Kami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omi_no_Kami)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2008, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1373 "2008-07-10T01:45:22Z")
[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey] What exactly do you mean by your first sentence? We only know that Darth was a Cabalist. Who’s the other one we got? And how do you know? :dubious: [/QUOTE] I don’t know about the cabalists but personally, I like **Santo Rugger** for some kind of undead: it seemed a little too paranoid when I first proposed it, but I like the theory that some of his early posts came off as overly defensive in part because he was trying very hard not to draw sustained attention to himself. If he were a wolf or part of the cabal he would’ve been in contact with his teammates, who could’ve probably coordinated a much better de-scrutinifying campaign. The fact that he seemed to go it alone tells me that he was either out of contact with his team, a townie playing very badly, or sufficiently convinced of his vulnerability to feel that getting help from his teammates would put them in too much jeopardy. It _could_ be the case that Santo was a willing sacrifice in order to pull scrutiny from someone else, but I just don’t see it. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2008, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1374 "2008-07-10T02:19:48Z")
[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey] What exactly do you mean by your first sentence? We only know that Darth was a Cabalist. Who’s the other one we got? And how do you know? :dubious: [/QUOTE] Glad I’m not the only one who found that to be a very bizarre thing to say. I’m flashing back to **Darth** ’s “bad day” slip in the Recruiting game. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2008, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1375 "2008-07-10T02:56:48Z")
[QUOTE=Oredigger77] So in theory we got two cabalist in two Days damn we’re good. Considering the trouble Mind Erasers got me into two weeks ago I think I’ll go light this time I’ll take a Harvest Moon. [/QUOTE] Yikes. Somone who has their foot deeper in than I, cripes. Go ahead an lead whatever banner you want. I’ll stand over here in the corner, if you don"t mind. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2008, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1376 "2008-07-10T04:05:42Z")
[QUOTE=CatInASuit] Sorry guys, guessed wrong. ☹ **brewha** was killed by a Vampire. [/QUOTE] So, is everyone else right? You didn’t get confirmation on who killed **brewha**? With any luck, he’ll be resurrected anyhow (I hope, at least. However, the Witchdoctor might have protected you). ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2008, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1377 "2008-07-10T08:41:39Z")
**ShadowFacts** : it is not a convenient answer. it is very inconvenient. I feel like I have been out WIFOM’d by **Diggit** **peekercpa** : Why would you have chosen **Santo Rugger** to investigate? You know, it’s amazing that everyone, apart from **Oredigger77** , appears to have forgotten that \*\*pedescribe \*\* claimed Cabal before he died. In theory, we have taken out two Cabal members. Accurate, who knows. As for my investigation. :dubious: =\> **Zsofia** ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2008, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1378 "2008-07-10T09:03:03Z")
**Day 1 Final Vote Count:** Darth Sensitive(7): **Darth Sensitive** , **pedescribe** , peekercpa, **brewha** , Redwing, MHaye, storyteller0910 Oredigger77(4): Drain Bead, ShadowFacts, CatInASuit, **NaturalBlondChap** Nanook of the North Shore(2): One and Only Wanderers, Omi no Kami Pollux Oil(2): Oredigger77, Diomedes NaturalBlondChap(2): Hockey Monkey, fluiddruid brewha(2): Zsofia, Hal Briston storyteller0910(1): dotchan dotchan(1): RoOsh Hawkeyeop(1): cckerberos cckerberos(1): \*\*Santo Rugger \*\* Omi no Kami(1): Pollux Oil pedescribe(1): NAF1138 Santo Rugger(1): **CoG888** No Outstanding Vote: Hawkeyeop, Koldanar, DiggitCamara, NanookoftheNorthShore, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies **Day 2 Final Vote Count:** pedescribe(25): Diomedes, cckerberos, Omi no Kami,One and Only Wanderers, RoOsh, Drain Bead, CatInASuit, Hawkeyeop, ShadowFacts, storyteller0910, DiggitCamara, Zsofia, NAF1138, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, MHaye, HalBriston, Hockey Monkey, fluiddruid, Pollux Oil, Koldanar, dotchan, Oredigger77, Nanook of the North Shore, peekercpa, Redwing. Koldanar(1): **pedescribe** Mod-Killed: **CoG888** **Town Wolf Cabal Undead Dead** Information Reveal: Dawn Day 3: Faction: brewha, Santo Rugger, NBC Dusk Day 3: Role: Darth Sensitive Faction: pedescribe Dawn Day 4 Role: brewha, Santo Rugger, NBC Dusk Day 4 Role: pedescribe ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2008, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1379 "2008-07-10T13:50:39Z")
[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey] What exactly do you mean by your first sentence? We only know that Darth was a Cabalist. Who’s the other one we got? And how do you know? :dubious: [/QUOTE] #1206 [QUOTE=pedescribe] Alright, I was going to wait until the end of the day, but I might as well… I am a cabalist. But I’m not just any cabalist, I’m the **Shadowy Leader**! Congrats, town. Although…my 4 brothers and sisters will avenge me!!! MUHAHAHAHAHA [/QUOTE] I don’t know maybe its just me but that seems to be enough to base a theory on. [QUOTE=CatInASuit] You know, it’s amazing that everyone, apart from **Oredigger77** , appears to have forgotten that \*\*pedescribe \*\* claimed Cabal before he died. In theory, we have taken out two Cabal members. Accurate, who knows. [/QUOTE] Thanks at least I wasn’t the only one paying attention. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2008, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1380 "2008-07-10T14:27:15Z")
[QUOTE=CatInASuit] **ShadowFacts** : it is not a convenient answer. it is very inconvenient. [/QUOTE] Come one - don’t play dumb. It doesn’t suit you (ha, get it!?). Of course it’s inconvenient if you’re really the Detective, but you know what I was talking about. [QUOTE=CatInASuit] You know, it’s amazing that everyone, apart from **Oredigger77** , appears to have forgotten that \*\*pedescribe \*\* claimed Cabal before he died. In theory, we have taken out two Cabal members. Accurate, who knows. [/QUOTE] I, for one, have not forgotten what **pedescribe** claimed. What’s actually amazing is that you would give that claim any credence whatsoever. I am assuming that everything that came out of his mouth was total garbage and I am treating it that way until we hear the truth from **Pleonast**. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2008, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1381 "2008-07-10T14:39:07Z")
[QUOTE=ShadowFacts] Come one - don’t play dumb. It doesn’t suit you (ha, get it!?). Of course it’s inconvenient if you’re really the Detective, but you know what I was talking about. [/QUOTE] I know exactly what you are talking about. However, as the Detective, it’s inconvenient both to me and the Town. On this point, I’m not playing dumb, stupid is closer to the mark 😉 [QUOTE=ShadowFacts] I, for one, have not forgotten what **pedescribe** claimed. What’s actually amazing is that you would give that claim any credence whatsoever. I am assuming that everything that came out of his mouth was total garbage and I am treating it that way until we hear the truth from **Pleonast**. [/QUOTE] Where have I given it creedence? Feel free to assume its all garbage, I’ll take on it WIFOM merits instead. We have no way to seperate any truth from lies in his statements, although strangely enough, a chunk of what he was saying fits my ideas about the game nicely. Maybe I am just self-confirming my own ideas. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324.md?page=68) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324.md?page=70)