# Mafia: Conspiracy 2: The Cabal Strikes Back! \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2008, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324 "2008-06-09T14:52:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 73
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1442 "2008-07-12T09:14:00Z")
Zombies for the last game were just used to add to the undead count in terms of their win condition. The necromancer did not have access to any of their powers but could sacrifice one to prevent them being Night Killed instead of creating a new Zombie. At the moment they are not a problem but will become one later on as the town numbers drop and the zombie count rises. However, in this game, who knows what the undead secret power is? ---
**Author:** ![Omi\_no\_Kami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e4f/32.png) [@Omi\_no\_Kami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omi_no_Kami)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1443 "2008-07-12T10:00:49Z")
[QUOTE=ShadowFacts] I don’t expect you to say anything in particular, but I do expect you _not_ to agree with my criticism of your posts, then try to throw suspicion on me for calling you on it. [/QUOTE] Well see the problem is, I can appreciate your position and I think I agree with it. I think it’s a bit of a stretch to, based on a single poorly-written sentence of mine, decide that I have slipped and betrayed insider knowledge that I would only have if I were scum. (That \*is \*your argument, right?) However, while I have minor suspicious about you and **Drain Bead** I can’t be sure either of you are scummy, and I’m almost certain that if one or both of you was working for another side, you aren’t both members of the same team. I also vaguely suspect that **Hal** is town, and presented with three seemingly unrelated players who all seem to like the same theory, I have to assume that my comment was honestly suspicious. However, there isn’t a whole lot I can offer in my own defense. I have a track record of multiple poorly thought posts following that one, which I suppose help establish the fact that I was, in fact, extremely tired and not being particularly precise when I posted the bit in question. Beyond my suggestion that we wait until one of the bodies has been investigated in order to establish that I don’t have any insider knowledge, I couldn’t think of any other credible ways to demonstrate that the evidence y’all were citing was an honest slip. I thought **Drain Bead** ’s excuses were flimsy, so I said as much, but I liked your and **Hal** ’s reasoning. I’m _not_ scum, but I can definitely see where you guys are coming from. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1444 "2008-07-12T12:17:35Z")
Waitaminute…how are these two supposed to fit together? [QUOTE=Omi no Kami] I think it’s a bit of a stretch to, based on a single poorly-written sentence of mine, decide that I have slipped and betrayed insider knowledge that I would only have if I were scum. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Omi no Kami] I thought **Drain Bead** ’s excuses were flimsy, so I said as much, but I liked your and **Hal** ’s reasoning. I’m _not_ scum, but I can definitely see where you guys are coming from. [/QUOTE] So you can see where we’re coming from, but you think it’s a stretch that we think you may be scum? Those statements seem to run afoul of each other. And as to basing a vote on a “single poorly-written sentence”, well hell, that’s how scum get caught. The Godfather of the Recruiting game was nailed by the simble phrase [“ToDay was a disaster”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9574350&postcount=1148). ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1445 "2008-07-12T12:20:37Z")
[QUOTE=Omi no Kami] However, there isn’t a whole lot I can offer in my own defense. I have a track record of multiple poorly thought posts following that one, which I suppose help establish the fact that I was, in fact, extremely tired and not being particularly precise when I posted the bit in question. Beyond my suggestion that we wait until one of the bodies has been investigated in order to establish that I don’t have any insider knowledge, I couldn’t think of any other credible ways to demonstrate that the evidence y’all were citing was an honest slip. I thought **Drain Bead** ’s excuses were flimsy, so I said as much, but I liked your and **Hal** ’s reasoning. I’m _not_ scum, but I can definitely see where you guys are coming from. [/QUOTE] \ [Quote=Defense Attorney] Against my counsel my client would like to make a statement [/quote] [Quote=Under Suspicion] Your Honor and ladies and gentlemen of the jury: The District Attorneys have made a case that makes more sense than my defense. Therefore, please find me not guilty because I did not realize they would be so relentless. And BTW I can still contribute to the community if you will ignore their arguments. Thank you that is all. However, I have a shovel and am available to keep digging if so warranted. [/quote] [Quote=Defense Attorney] I told him/her to take the fifth [/quote] . ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1446 "2008-07-12T12:25:10Z")
And beaten to the punch by **Hal**. Oh well, how’s the flock these days, **Hal**? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1447 "2008-07-12T12:40:40Z")
Simply saying my argument is flimsy doesn’t make it so. You never even addressed the first part of it at all, after all. And what’s with this “Hal is town” repetition? How are you so sure, when he’s making a very similar argument to everyone else that’s argued against you? ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1448 "2008-07-12T14:09:57Z")
[QUOTE=CatInASuit] Dusk Day 3: Role: Darth Sensitive Faction: pedescribe [/QUOTE] Hey **Cat** , I was looking over your post count etc. and **Pleonast** said that we would get the same information reveal on mod-killed players as anyone else, so you need to add **Cog888** to your timeline. I believe we’ll get his info at the same pace as **pedescribe**. ---
**Author:** ![Omi\_no\_Kami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e4f/32.png) [@Omi\_no\_Kami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omi_no_Kami)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1449 "2008-07-12T15:24:42Z")
[QUOTE=Hal Briston] Waitaminute…how are these two supposed to fit together?So you can see where we’re coming from, but you think it’s a stretch that we think you may be scum? Those statements seem to run afoul of each other. [/quote] I don’t think they’re really contradictory: I don’t find the evidence you all have cited to be particularly compelling, but I see where you all seem to be coming from. [QUOTE=Hal Briston] And as to basing a vote on a “single poorly-written sentence”, well hell, that’s how scum get caught. The Godfather of the Recruiting game was nailed by the simble phrase [“ToDay was a disaster”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9574350&postcount=1148). [/QUOTE] That’s pretty much exactly why I see where you’re coming from. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Omi\_no\_Kami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e4f/32.png) [@Omi\_no\_Kami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omi_no_Kami)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1450 "2008-07-12T15:31:37Z")
[QUOTE=Drain Bead] Simply saying my argument is flimsy doesn’t make it so. You never even addressed the first part of it at all, after all. And what’s with this “Hal is town” repetition? How are you so sure, when he’s making a very similar argument to everyone else that’s argued against you? [/QUOTE] Are you referring to your initial bit regarding the PMs? If so, it’s quite simple: my role doesn’t require official feedback every night. I received a PM just before the start of this day, but obviously there’s no way I can prove that. And for the record, I am absurdly sick of talking circles around this. If you have something new, feel free to say it. Otherwise, I’m going to go do something else until I’m either hung or exonerated. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1451 "2008-07-12T15:55:48Z")
[QUOTE=Hal Briston] Waitaminute…how are these two supposed to fit together?So you can see where we’re coming from, but you think it’s a stretch that we think you may be scum? Those statements seem to run afoul of each other. And as to basing a vote on a “single poorly-written sentence”, well hell, that’s how scum get caught. The Godfather of the Recruiting game was nailed by the simble phrase [“ToDay was a disaster”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9574350&postcount=1148). [/QUOTE] It WAS a disaster damnit!!! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1452 "2008-07-12T16:16:05Z")
[QUOTE=ShadowFacts] Hey **Cat** , I was looking over your post count etc. and **Pleonast** said that we would get the same information reveal on mod-killed players as anyone else, so you need to add **Cog888** to your timeline. I believe we’ll get his info at the same pace as **pedescribe**. [/QUOTE] Thanks **ShadowFacts** , you are right, it should look like this. Dusk Day 3: Role: Darth Sensitive Faction: pedescribe, CoG888 Dawn Day 4 Role: brewha, Santo Rugger, NBC Faction: Roosh Dusk Day 4 Role: pedescribe, CoG888 Dawn Day 5 Role: Roosh Missed him while trying to make sure I got all the lynches and NightKills correct :smack: ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1453 "2008-07-12T17:04:54Z")
[QUOTE=CatInASuit] Missed him while trying to make sure I got all the lynches and NightKills correct :smack: [/QUOTE] No worries - I forgot about him, too, until I looked at your list. Easy to forget someone who posted something like twice total to the game 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1454 "2008-07-12T20:14:40Z")
And this vote is subject to change so what the hey. Kind of a poke the ant mound and see what happens. **OnK** looking bad for you. So drum roll … **Vote Hal Briston** It feels like **OnK** is just a townie that has got wrapped around the axle. **Hal** who hardly ever posts jumps right on in on a “slip” and makes a vote. Seems to freaking **convenient**. What the hey. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1455 "2008-07-12T20:53:38Z")
**Hal** is the one who picked up **Darth Sensitive’s** slip in the recruitment game after not really posting much, either. That’s sort of his M.O. and I’ve seen it work well before. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1456 "2008-07-12T21:53:51Z")
Wait, how the hell do we go from 3 kills to one kill? I don’t buy the idea of a Cabal with a one-use night-kill using it on Day One, and I think the idea of a too-vigorous Vig isn’t very likely. That just leaves the two vamps and a wolfkill option… which then leads to these further possibilities for today: One or both of our vamps either targeted each other or the Vicar. Or Two of the three killers targeted a Witch-protected player Or Triple-kill on Roosh. (or double kill on Roosh and one of the previous two things happening) I find the latter highly unlikely: it’s not like Roosh was making massive enough waves to draw that much attention, right? Just in case, though, I’m going to go back over his posts, and see who he was going after. One would think a night-killer would be savvy enough to not attack someone who was pinging on them, but you never know… ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1457 "2008-07-12T22:35:45Z")
[QUOTE=Diomedes] Wait, how the hell do we go from 3 kills to one kill? I don’t buy the idea of a Cabal with a one-use night-kill using it on Day One, and I think the idea of a too-vigorous Vig isn’t very likely. That just leaves the two vamps and a wolfkill option… which then leads to these further possibilities for today: One or both of our vamps either targeted each other or the Vicar. Or Two of the three killers targeted a Witch-protected player Or Triple-kill on Roosh. (or double kill on Roosh and one of the previous two things happening) [/QUOTE] Or The Cabal successfully blocked somebody Or Someone decided not to kill Or Someone else has a secret blocking power Etc. I mean, please do re-read **Roosh** if you think it will be helpful, but it seems to me that there are too many possibilities for us to really know what the hell happened last Night without a lot more info. Hopefully, **CatInASuit** can come through with the identity of **Roosh’s** killer tonight, then at least we’ll know which faction did kill and which faction(s) did not. And maybe **Nanook** will show up some day to possibly shed some light on things. In the meantime, I think we should get to work on who to lynch toDay. \*\* Omi no Kami \*\*has obviously hit my scum meter (and others’) pretty heavy so far, but I don’t want to get tunnel vision, so I’d like to hear from some more players about alternate possibilities. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1458 "2008-07-12T23:08:06Z")
[QUOTE=peekercpa] **Vote Hal Briston** It feels like **OnK** is just a townie that has got wrapped around the axle. **Hal** who hardly ever posts jumps right on in on a “slip” and makes a vote. [/QUOTE] I’m not a big fan of this line of thinking. Hal isn’t the most prolific poster, yes, but sometimes that means that a poster is more committed to increasing the signal to noise ratio, not that they’re scum lurking and waiting to take advantage of a townie misstep. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1459 "2008-07-13T01:05:45Z")
I’m not quite sure what to make of this early movement against Omi no Kami. What he has said has not jumped out at me as much as others, apparently. But I can’t tell if what I’m feeling is just the consequence of delayed information reveal on traditional play, or if what I feel is an attempt to exploit the information delay. Or it is something else entirely or nothing. We have not heard from at least one person who may have some information to share. Are you out there Nanook? There may also be some people debating whether or not to come forward with tales from the Night (not that I’m telling them how or when to reveal such information, should they have it). The case so far against Omi no Kami is nothing like the case we had against pedescribe, and I’m willing to wait things out a bit more and see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1460 "2008-07-13T01:21:40Z")
**Nanook** was quiet towards the end of yesterDay too, IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1461 "2008-07-13T04:29:47Z")
[QUOTE=Drain Bead] **Nanook** was quiet towards the end of yesterDay too, IIRC. [/QUOTE] Speaking of **Nanook** … well, where is he? I’m anxiously awaiting his group’s diagnostic for toDay. Other then that.. **Hal** ’s pinging my scumdar a bit. But it’s not really strong. From him to **Omi** , I’d certainly lynch **Hal** first. But I’d prefer to hear from **Nanook** long before it comes to that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324.md?page=72) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324.md?page=74)