# Mafia: Conspiracy 2: The Cabal Strikes Back! \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2008, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324 "2008-06-09T14:52:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 74
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1462 "2008-07-13T12:04:33Z")
And I also wonder where in the world **Nanook** has wandered off to. I understand that he was a bit miffed about being rebuked for not posting his results immediately at Daybreak yesterDay since it was going to be a long one anyhow. But now, the silence is a little more ominous since we are on a much more structured (speeded up) schedule. It would be nice to know what those durn witches came up with last night and have some time to mull it over a bit. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1463 "2008-07-13T13:25:02Z")
[QUOTE=Drain Bead] But it makes sense when you consider that **Omi No Kami** could be on the same team as **pedescribe** –once you see a teammate go down, you may forget the exact circumstances as to how it happened. You just know you have to bus them ASAP, which is why **ONK** was one of the first voters for **pedescribe**. [/QUOTE] \ But that does not make a lick of sense. With so many players, being an early vote just gets the train rolling. I mean, maybe a me too vote late or middle but a vote to get that wagon rolling on a team mate not so much. Of course, **pede** did kind of cook himself for all to see. And I’d really like to talk about the one night kill. I think that there is some information to be gleaned from that discussion, depending on the participants. ---
**Author:** ![Omi\_no\_Kami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e4f/32.png) [@Omi\_no\_Kami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omi_no_Kami)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1464 "2008-07-13T13:36:22Z")
[QUOTE=peekercpa] \ But that does not make a lick of sense. With so many players, being an early vote just gets the train rolling. I mean, maybe a me too vote late or middle but a vote to get that wagon rolling on a team mate not so much. Of course, **pede** did kind of cook himself for all to see. And I’d really like to talk about the one night kill. I think that there is some information to be gleaned from that discussion, depending on the participants. [/QUOTE] I obviously haven’t been paying enough attention to the ruleset, so let me clarify: am I correct to assume that, ignoring redirecting powers like **Storyteller’s** , it’s likely that we have three potential roles with night kills: **the undead** (vampires), the wolves (_if they exist_), and a vigilante-type player on the town’s side? If that’s the case, it seems to me as if one possibility is that one of the three potential kills was blocked, while another killing role was eliminated. Again, there’s no evidence to suggest this beyond my own supposition, but I’m assuming the likeliest scenario was that the vig (if we have one) or vampire was killed off. ---
**Author:** ![Omi\_no\_Kami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e4f/32.png) [@Omi\_no\_Kami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omi_no_Kami)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1465 "2008-07-13T13:39:39Z")
But now that I think about it (30 seconds later :smack: ), it seems like if any of the killing roles were to be eliminated, the vig is the most likely: since the vig is the only one in the game (right?) that can kill the vampire during the night, the town would have to be incredibly lucky and either lynch the vamp or have a vig with the devil’s own luck to make and whack the vampire within the first two days of play. So forget it- I don’t think it’s \*that \*likely that a night killer is dead already. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1466 "2008-07-13T14:18:00Z")
[QUOTE=Omi no Kami] I obviously haven’t been paying enough attention to the ruleset, so let me clarify: am I correct to assume that, ignoring redirecting powers like **Storyteller’s** , it’s likely that we have three potential roles with night kills: **the undead** (vampires), the wolves (_if they exist_), and a vigilante-type player on the town’s side? If that’s the case, it seems to me as if one possibility is that one of the three potential kills was blocked, while another killing role was eliminated. [/QUOTE] There are other possibilities, but the roles you list are the regular killing roles listed in the rules. Assuming that they exist, there are several possible reasons why one failed to kill. None of those roles are compulsory killers. They all _may_ kill. The roleholders may have decided not to kill, or simply been unable to (or forgot) to tell Pleo they want to kill. If you miss the deadline you miss the action. (At least, that’s the way it was for the Wolves in Conspiracy 1. I don’t think that fundamental point in the rules has been changed.) One of the roles may have targeted someone they cannot kill; for example the Vampire may have targeted the Vicar. It’s unlikely that anyone targeted a Scotsman, as I believe if the Scotsman survives a Night attack his role is revealed at Dawn. (That’s how I interpret the Scotsman’s role.) One of the killers may have targeted the player the Witches protected (if the Witches protected). If the fall in the number of kills in Night 2 was due to the elimination of a killing role, the only candidates for the lost role are Vigilante or Vampire. Either CoG or Pedescribe could be the Vampire; if the Vigilante is gone it could be either of them or Santo Rugger. There is also the possibility that someone had a one-shot Nightkill as a special ability and, for some reason, chose to use it Night One. This would also (in conjunction with some other factor) explain the fall in the number of Nightkills. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1467 "2008-07-13T14:53:59Z")
And since I brought it up and asked for some discussion to not lay my thoughts on the line would be very duplicitous. From three night kills to one, hmmmmmm. From, **my opinion** the possible scenarios are: **pede** was a one shotter. Either cabal or something and there was a double and/or block. **pede** was a vig who just fucked up and there was a double and/or block. **pede** was the only Vamp in the game and we got very fucking lucky with a couple of blocks or a double. Two killers got blocked. A killer targeted a protected role and a double up on **RoOsh** A killer got **RoOsh** and we got two protects. **RoOsh** got triple teamed. I mean what else can it be. I am guessing that we got a Vamp on the lynch with a block. Woot Woot, go town. And since as town we all have our own Magic Bag (our role PM) I propose that we do some serious soul searching on the mass role claim about now. Especially, if our claimed zombified coroner turns up in that role. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1468 "2008-07-13T14:56:22Z")
Sorry, I’ve been incredibly busy this past week. I have a little time today, but after this post I’m going to have to head out again, my wife is coming home from a vacation and I have to arrange for her to be picked up from the airport and I have a tournament to run for MTG. On the bright side, my work project is ending this week so I’ll have a lot more time for this game in a day or so. I have an interesting thing to report. One Mr. **Diomedes** was our investigation target last Night. He came back furry, as in a Wolf. Naughty Dio. **vote Dio** ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1469 "2008-07-13T14:58:07Z")
NETA **Mhaye** could also be correct. So add in the possibility that night killing faction(s) could choose to do nothing. Remote as that might be. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1470 "2008-07-13T15:04:23Z")
Well then… **Vote Diomedes** ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1471 "2008-07-13T16:20:50Z")
[QUOTE=Nanook of the North Shore] I have an interesting thing to report. One Mr. **Diomedes** was our investigation target last Night. He came back furry, as in a Wolf. Naughty Dio. [/QUOTE] All right, that’s more like it! A testable investigation result is just what we needed. **Vote Diomedes** ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1472 "2008-07-13T16:31:23Z")
Well now this is speeding stuff up. Another unanimous vote in the offing as in the offing of: **Vote Diomedes** ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1473 "2008-07-13T16:35:57Z")
[oog]Betcha a buck that **Diomedes** makes it ununanimous ;)[/oog] ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1474 "2008-07-13T16:37:57Z")
[QUOTE=Nanook of the North Shore] Sorry, I’ve been incredibly busy this past week. I have a little time today, but after this post I’m going to have to head out again, my wife is coming home from a vacation and I have to arrange for her to be picked up from the airport and I have a tournament to run for MTG. On the bright side, my work project is ending this week so I’ll have a lot more time for this game in a day or so. I have an interesting thing to report. One Mr. **Diomedes** was our investigation target last Night. He came back furry, as in a Wolf. Naughty Dio. vote Dio [/QUOTE] Well, like storyteller said, we need to balance our lynches between the scummy factions. Therefore: **vote Dio** [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1475 "2008-07-13T16:41:21Z")
Oooh. Very curious. Well, for what it’s worth, Nanook isn’t a Witch. It will take you guys a couple days to figure that out, what with the delay in death reveals, but I am, honest injun, not a Wolf. I suppose there’s no sense in forestalling the inevitable. Darth Sensitive wins his bet. 🙂 **Vote: Moi** ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1476 "2008-07-13T16:45:51Z")
If any of the real Witches wants to come out and save my hide, I’d be much obliged, though. While Nanook was lucky (or crafty, in revealing one of his scum-kin) yesterday in guessing a scum role, he wasn’t so lucky today. I am but a simple **Warlock**. It’s one of those roles that’s more disposable than most, I suppose, but it’s going to take two more days of Fake-Witches leading the lynches. ---
**Author:** ![Omi\_no\_Kami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e4f/32.png) [@Omi\_no\_Kami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omi_no_Kami)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1477 "2008-07-13T16:48:12Z")
I’m still not sure about **Nanook** , but this is as good a way to test him as any. Vote Diomedes ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1478 "2008-07-13T17:05:09Z")
**Unvote Omi no Kami** **Vote Diomedes** I knew when I refreshed the thread and saw a line of blue that **Nanook** came up with something. And just like **ONK** said, this will be a good test of **Nanook** and his claim. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1479 "2008-07-13T17:08:59Z")
Now while we have all this time today, I want to know something, Nanook: Why would the Witches want to investigate me last night? If I were investigating, I would have tried to test the claim of **Cat** , which seemed more suspicious when he came up blank with his investigation. Or maybe **peeks** , who’s become a town leader very quickly, but without any sort of role confirmation. ---
**Author:** ![Omi\_no\_Kami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e4f/32.png) [@Omi\_no\_Kami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omi_no_Kami)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1480 "2008-07-13T17:14:54Z")
Oops, and I just realized that I forgot to bold. To reiterate with the correct format: **Vote Diomedes** ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1481 "2008-07-13T17:16:21Z")
Vote Dio I have to say I’m a little concerned about two Days a gift wrapped scum. This concern got me thinking because of the delay of information we shouldn’t lynch any more “scum” that Nanook claim is confirmed. Just to help out discussion toDay I’m going to say that we shouldn’t mass claim untill there is a possibility of multiple claims in a day. As long as we are making progress with out large numbers of claims then a mass claim only helps out scum pick off out power roles. Once people are claiming then a mass claim will lock them in on their roles and will allow us to pick them off. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324.md?page=73) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324.md?page=75)