# Mafia: Conspiracy 2: The Cabal Strikes Back! \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2008, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324 "2008-06-09T14:52:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 77
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2008, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1522 "2008-07-14T08:54:29Z")
[QUOTE=cckerberos] Who did you curse each Night, and what was your reasoning? [/QUOTE] You know, the only role I can think that would use this particular turn of phrase is the Necromancer. I know you corrected it straight after, but even so… You don’t happen to have some nefarious Nighttime activites do you? ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2008, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1523 "2008-07-14T09:03:18Z")
[QUOTE=Diomedes] You know, Hawkeye… why don’t I not pretend I’m a wolf. Why don’t I, instead, pretend I’m a Vampire. A Vampire who killed brewha Night One. And a Vampire who had thought he had sent in kill orders on NAF last night, but had forgotten to. Which would be the reason why we only had one kill today: The wolves killed, and pede was my Vampire buddy, so we only had one kill. This means that CatinaSuit will definitely pick out a wolf tonight. If he doesn’t, he’s lying. I don’t think he is, though. I think the town can now pretty safely start knocking wolves off. This also means Nanook is lying: I’m DEFINITELY NOT A WOLF. [/QUOTE] For some strange reason **Diomedes** , I’m not really buying this. Seeing as the undead do not know each other, how do you know that \*\*pedescribe \*\* was your Vampire buddy. You are a lone vampire, so how do you know if it was a Vigilante or Vampire or Wolf who killed Roosh. Instead you are sure it was a Wolf kill :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![cckerberos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@cckerberos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cckerberos)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2008, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1524 "2008-07-14T10:42:05Z")
[QUOTE=CatInASuit] You know, the only role I can think that would use this particular turn of phrase is the Necromancer. I know you corrected it straight after, but even so… You don’t happen to have some nefarious Nighttime activites do you? [/QUOTE] This is a joke, right? How exactly does my use of the word “curse” imply that I’m a Necromancer? ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2008, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1525 "2008-07-14T11:00:46Z")
[QUOTE=cckerberos] This is a joke, right? How exactly does my use of the word “curse” imply that I’m a Necromancer? [/QUOTE] It’s something from the first game. When I claimed Necro, I said that my secret power was to curse someone so they would die if I was lynched. Something Rysto pointed out on the Witch boards was that the use of the word curse was a very strong scumtell that perhaps I wasn’t actually the Necro. The term came from the fact I could pass on a curse as a Night Kill and recruit someone. Ditto for the wolves as well. Those were the only “curses” in the game IIRC. The point being is that “curse” is not a word the Town would use to describe a Night action. Let’s just say you pinged my scumdar with that phrase. ---
**Author:** ![cckerberos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@cckerberos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cckerberos)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2008, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1526 "2008-07-14T11:11:13Z")
[QUOTE=CatInASuit] The point being is that “curse” is not a word the Town would use to describe a Night action. [/QUOTE] Except that the word is used only 4 times in the rules, all of which are in the night action description of a certain role that begins with a W and ends with a K. If that’s all it takes to ping your scumdar, I really hope that aren’t actually the detective. ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2008, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1527 "2008-07-14T11:36:48Z")
[QUOTE=cckerberos] Except that the word is used only 4 times in the rules, all of which are in the night action description of a certain role that begins with a W and ends with a K. If that’s all it takes to ping your scumdar, I really hope that aren’t actually the detective. [/QUOTE] True, the action taken is to enchant the player, the curse being the rebound effect. Apologies ☹ ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2008, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1528 "2008-07-14T12:00:53Z")
[QUOTE=Omi no Kami] I was one of the first to vote for pede because I lost track of time, plain and simple: I hadn’t been keeping regular track of the game, and when I finally worked my way to the then-front page, I couldn’t remember the day/night cycle and convincing myself that I was scant hours away from being modkilled for not placing a vote. I reviewed everyone who had caught my eye, considered **Santo** , and ultimately decided that pede was the most suspicious player at the moment. I voted for him while waiting for **Storyteller** to answer my question about his tactics, and as others chimed in and began jumping behind the pede wagon I failed to find any reason to change my vote. [/QUOTE] Omi No Kami: A question for you. From the above it seems that you voted for pedescribe because you thought you were close to being End of Day. Would this be the end of Day 1 or the End of Day 2? ---
**Author:** ![Omi\_no\_Kami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e4f/32.png) [@Omi\_no\_Kami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omi_no_Kami)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2008, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1529 "2008-07-14T12:15:56Z")
[QUOTE=CatInASuit] Omi No Kami: A question for you. From the above it seems that you voted for pedescribe because you thought you were close to being End of Day. Would this be the end of Day 1 or the End of Day 2? [/QUOTE] I actually think I’m getting myself turned around: now that I’ve re-read the thread I think my panic vote was the one for Day 1, where I voted for **Nanook**. I had more than 48 hours left, but I hadn’t kept sufficient track of things and _really_ didn’t want to get modkilled. If that was the case, then I’m more than happy to defend my Day 2 vote as being legitimate. Either Pede or Storyteller were obviously scum, since their disagreement wouldn’t make sense otherwise, and like I said when I voted, **Storyteller’s** story seemed markedly less suspicious. Especially since I clearly explained this rationale when I made the vote, I think the issue of timing is largely insignificant: I voted when I’d decided which suspicions to act on, and nothing throughout the rest of the day gave me cause to change my mind. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2008, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1530 "2008-07-14T13:21:01Z")
So I was out mos of yesterday, and came back to find that Nanook wants to lynch Diomedes so he can have a nice wolfskin rug for his study, and Dio claims to be a bloodsucking vampire, (who’s skin won’t make a good throw rug, being singularly devoid of hair). This makes a good chance to test Nanook’s claim, so I’m going to join the mob. Vote **Diomedes**. I need to spend a couple of hours on RL things. Back later. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2008, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1531 "2008-07-14T13:41:40Z")
[QUOTE=CatInASuit] For some strange reason **Diomedes** , I’m not really buying this. Seeing as the undead do not know each other, how do you know that \*\*pedescribe \*\* was your Vampire buddy. You are a lone vampire, so how do you know if it was a Vigilante or Vampire or Wolf who killed Roosh. Instead you are sure it was a Wolf kill :dubious: [/QUOTE] Vig kill doesn’t make sense. Too early in the game for a Vig to use their powers willy-nilly. But, in general, of course I’m not sure. It just seems the most likely situation. I don’t need to defend myself anymore, so I’m just putting out my interpretation of events without the standard, wheezy disclaimers that we make to give ourselves plausible deniability. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2008, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1532 "2008-07-14T13:44:22Z")
Well, this’ll be interesting. It appears much has happened since last I checked in. Quick re-read, and then back with commentary. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2008, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1533 "2008-07-14T14:06:05Z")
OK, well, this seems pretty cut-and-dry. Given that I would prefer to reduce the numbers of a scum faction other than the Cabal right now, what with two dead certain-Caballeros running around (well, not running or doing anything, really, other than being dead, but you know what I mean), it doesn’t much matter to me whether **Diomedes** is a Wolf or a Vampire (actually, if he’s a Vampire, his death will be hugely helpful, in that it will net us a dead Nanook scum _and_ reduce the number of Night kills, which are out of our collective control, by one). So clearly, vote Diomedes Worth noting: If **Dio** is not a Wolf, that’s tangible evidence that **Nanook** is lying, and up the flagpole he goes the very minute we get confirmation of this. But if he _is_ a Wolf, we must not assume _anything_ about **Nanook**. The Cabal could have secret investigative powers; so could the Undead. For that matter, Nanook and Dio could both be Wolves. Probably not a big deal, because Nanook has claimed a role with independent confirmation; sooner or later, another Witch will emerge and he/she and Nanook will either identify one another or not. But it’s worth remembering. OK, so what now? We’re going to have the better part of the Day to discuss now, since the death of **Diomedes** is a foregone conclusion. I’m going to start with a quick synopsis of everything that we know so far, and go from there. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2008, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1534 "2008-07-14T15:49:01Z")
There is no Diomedes ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2008, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1535 "2008-07-14T16:11:40Z")
[QUOTE=Boozahol Squid, P.I.] There is no Diomedes [/QUOTE] Well damn, the name change had to go through before you got strung up. 😃 **Vote P.I.** I still like Gastard better ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2008, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1536 "2008-07-14T16:12:28Z")
[QUOTE=Boozahol Squid, P.I.] There is no Diomedes [/QUOTE] Bye Dio, welcome BSPI. You guys post a lot on the weekends. I need to do a real reread, but I skimed enough to know that I am going to \*\*vote Dio/BSPI \*\* whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2008, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1537 "2008-07-14T16:16:08Z")
[QUOTE=Oredigger77] Well damn, the name change had to go through before you got strung up. 😃 **Vote P.I.** I still like Gastard better [/QUOTE] No need to revote, despite the slippery name change. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2008, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1538 "2008-07-14T16:20:22Z")
[QUOTE=Boozahol Squid, P.I.] There is no Diomedes [/QUOTE] The Diogenes stuff finally got to you? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2008, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1539 "2008-07-14T16:23:42Z")
This might just be semantic twaddle, but do you think there’s something to the fact that Pleonast said that **NBC** was of “the same Cabal” as **Darth**? In other words, could there be more than one Cabal, or is that just a way of putting it? ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2008, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1540 "2008-07-14T16:37:59Z")
[QUOTE=Zsofia] This might just be semantic twaddle, but do you think there’s something to the fact that Pleonast said that **NBC** was of “the same Cabal” as **Darth**? In other words, could there be more than one Cabal, or is that just a way of putting it? [/QUOTE] Nothing is certain, but I doubt it. In the “Sides” area of the rules, Pleo’s choice of verbage reads pretty clearly (imho) that there are 4 sides, one of which is “the Town”, “the Wolves”, “the Undead”, and “the Cabal”. Further, the “each side has a secret power” thing would push things into Bastard Mod territory if what you posit is the case. Having more than one Cabal would either cut one Cabal faction off from the secret power, or it means that Pleo made a very big whoops in his Rules, with the collective Cabal having more than one secret power. I just don’t see either as likely. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2008, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1541 "2008-07-14T16:45:46Z")
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies] The Diogenes stuff finally got to you? 😉 [/QUOTE] Honestly, yeah. I mean, not in this thread, but in other spots on the Dope. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324.md?page=76) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324.md?page=78)