# Mafia: Conspiracy 2: The Cabal Strikes Back! \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 9, 2008, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324 "2008-06-09T14:52:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 83
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1642 "2008-07-18T19:04:33Z")
Ouchy. The loss of the Witch Doctor is very unfortunate. You know, so far the game has been, as far as we know, incredibly free of scum cross-kills. That’s going to become problematic eventually; I don’t think we can win without cross-kills, even if we lynch perfectly. OK, so, I’m guessing the first order of business is **Diggit’s** purported kill of **Roosh**. I’d really like to hear whether **Diggit** wishes to confirm or deny this before commenting on it further, but he seems to be MIA at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1643 "2008-07-18T19:04:56Z")
Well, clearly you can’t trust anything an outed scum says - we’re still getting more than one kill, so either we have wolves and an active Vig or we have at least one surviving vampire. Is that right? ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1644 "2008-07-18T19:06:51Z")
Zsofia, there is one other possibility; that one of the scum groups has a Toughguy power (a one-shot bonus Nightkill) and decided to use it to keep us guessing about numbers. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1645 "2008-07-18T19:10:03Z")
Hadn’t considered that. There has indeed been a lot of talk about numbers which could lead to a ploy like that. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1646 "2008-07-18T19:14:41Z")
DAMMIT! Can I have that drink now **ZombieSquid**? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1647 "2008-07-18T19:17:32Z")
So…um… **Diggit**? You out there? ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1648 "2008-07-18T19:26:45Z")
OK, here’s the thing. If **Diggit** is on vacation or some such, and doesn’t come by to answer **Cat’s** charges, then we’re going to waste a lot of time waiting for him. Here’s my take on the situation as I understand it. There are really only three possibilities regarding what **Diggit** is likely to say when he returns. 1. **"Hi, I’m Diggit, and I’m a Wolf / Vampire / Killin’ Caballero. Lynch me, please."** Highly unlikely, but given the way pedescribe and Boozy rolled over and played dead when caught out, not impossible. 2. **"Hi, I’m Diggit, and I’m your friendly neighborhood Vigilante."** This will be an interesting situation, if he goes in that direction. It would provide some evidence that **CiaS** may be telling the truth. It is also essentially self-confirming, in that if Diggit is the Vig and killed Roosh, Diggit will be commiting seppuku or whatever suicidal Vigs do in this Town, tonight. In the case of #2, the real challenge will be to decide whether we want to give Diggit one more Day/Night cycle to do whatever he’s doing, or lynch him on the spot, or neither. There are very significant disadvantages to the “let’s just wait and see if he kills himself” plan, after all. 1. **Hi, I’m Diggit, and I’m not a killer. CatinaSuit is a big fancy liar**. Now we have a real conundrum, and one that will require some effort to solve. But in the meanwhile, does anyone have any thoughts not related to Diggit and Cat to start poking through? ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1649 "2008-07-18T20:20:08Z")
[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey] DAMMIT! Can I have that drink now **ZombieSquid**? [/QUOTE] We’ve got a real nice set-up in the hidden boards. I’ll treat you to some of the real top shelf stuff over there. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1650 "2008-07-18T21:29:08Z")
Wow. Sucks indeed to lose the Witchdoctor. Some of these bodies better start being revealed as Undead pretty soon, or the town is going to get overrun with the brain-craving. Time to dig through Hockey and dot’s posts… ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1651 "2008-07-18T21:42:00Z")
Well, good grief. I’m still alive. :eek: What is going on? Will update town roles and so on later on. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1652 "2008-07-18T22:46:22Z")
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies] Wow. Sucks indeed to lose the Witchdoctor. Some of these bodies better start being revealed as Undead pretty soon, or the town is going to get overrun with the brain-craving. Time to dig through Hockey and dot’s posts… [/QUOTE] My sentiments exactly. That’s why I would suggest letting **DC** alone today, at least initially. But I still want to hear from him and sooner rather than later would be best. I am just puzzled about the number of night kills. 3-1-2. The permutations are rather vast but suffice it to say that on the first night one of them couldn’t be a vig or there were would already be a suicide **if** we believe **story**. And based on **pede** ’s reaction it would have to be a hell of an acting job. Then we get a single **RoOsh**. Seriously WTF. Hopefully there was some crossfire last night but if **DC** is a wolf then we know we didn’t get a vamp. I am dangerously close to going down the mass role claim bunny hole again. Because with two zombies, a Nec and at least one Vamp, some number of wolves and cabal greater than zero town is getting close to peril. ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2008, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1653 "2008-07-18T23:38:22Z")
We’re of the opinion that we’re ignoring Nanook now right, and just letting the eventual reveal call him out, right? ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2008, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1654 "2008-07-19T00:37:40Z")
[QUOTE=peekercpa] I am just puzzled about the number of night kills. 3-1-2. The permutations are rather vast but suffice it to say that on the first night one of them couldn’t be a vig or there were would already be a suicide **if** we believe **story**. And based on **pede** ’s reaction it would have to be a hell of an acting job. [/QUOTE] Your assertion is false; it remains possible that one of the two deaths last Night was a Vig suicide. Unless you know otherwise, of course. In which case I suggest you share your knowledge. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2008, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1655 "2008-07-19T01:40:36Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] OK, here’s the thing. If **Diggit** is on vacation or some such, and doesn’t come by to answer **Cat’s** charges, then we’re going to waste a lot of time waiting for him. Here’s my take on the situation as I understand it. There are really only three possibilities regarding what **Diggit** is likely to say when he returns. 1. **“Hi, I’m Diggit, and I’m a Wolf / Vampire / Killin’ Caballero. Lynch me, please.”** Highly unlikely, but given the way pedescribe and Boozy rolled over and played dead when caught out, not impossible. 2. **“Hi, I’m Diggit, and I’m your friendly neighborhood Vigilante.”** This will be an interesting situation, if he goes in that direction. It would provide some evidence that **CiaS** may be telling the truth. It is also essentially self-confirming, in that if Diggit is the Vig and killed Roosh, Diggit will be commiting seppuku or whatever suicidal Vigs do in this Town, tonight. In the case of #2, the real challenge will be to decide whether we want to give Diggit one more Day/Night cycle to do whatever he’s doing, or lynch him on the spot, or neither. There are very significant disadvantages to the “let’s just wait and see if he kills himself” plan, after all. 1. **Hi, I’m Diggit, and I’m not a killer. CatinaSuit is a big fancy liar**. Now we have a real conundrum, and one that will require some effort to solve. But in the meanwhile, does anyone have any thoughts not related to Diggit and Cat to start poking through? [/QUOTE] Wel… how about none of the above? Sorry about my absence, both work and Google’s codejam kind of distracted me from the game. Now, about **CatinASuit** … unless he’s incredibly lucky, he’s right about my killing **Roosh** (and 99% confirmed). Still, it surprised me plenty to hear he got my name from **Pleonast** , because I was sure there had been a double target on **Roosh** ’s back that Night. The thing is: I’m a **Warlock**. And I’d enchanted **Pygmy Rugger** the first Night, which, in turn, caused \*\*Roosh \*\*to die. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2008, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1656 "2008-07-19T01:48:51Z")
[QUOTE=DiggitCamara] Wel… how about none of the above? Sorry about my absence, both work and Google’s codejam kind of distracted me from the game. Now, about **CatinASuit** … unless he’s incredibly lucky, he’s right about my killing **Roosh** (and 99% confirmed). Still, it surprised me plenty to hear he got my name from **Pleonast** , because I was sure there had been a double target on **Roosh** ’s back that Night. The thing is: I’m a **Warlock**. And I’d enchanted **Pygmy Rugger** the first Night, which, in turn, caused \*\*Roosh \*\*to die. [/QUOTE] So…you’re saying that **Roosh** was a Vig, and killed **Pygmy Rugger**? ---
**Author:** ![dotchan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@dotchan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dotchan)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2008, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1657 "2008-07-19T01:52:29Z")
Nuts, and here I was all looking forward to hanging out with you guys! 😃 Well, here’s hoping there’s still a Witchdoctor out there who used his or her juju on me last Night. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2008, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1658 "2008-07-19T01:59:47Z")
[QUOTE=Drain Bead] So…you’re saying that **Roosh** was a Vig, and killed **Pygmy Rugger**? [/QUOTE] Unless he had some secret power, my guess is yeah, he must have been. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2008, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1659 "2008-07-19T02:03:59Z")
Huh. So the relevant meat of the Warlock rule entry is > [@](#): > > Each Night you may enchant one player who, if killed that Night, will activate a curse on their murderer. The killer will then be **killed by the curse** on the following Night. Bolding mine. It seems plausible that such subtle wording might escape the collective perceptions of quite a few folks. I certainly haven’t been anticipating what Diggit alleges as a potential explanation. But then again, I can be dumb as a box of rocks. Seems like I could be in good company though on that point though. 😃 Or perhaps some of you were aware of that possibility but kept it to yourself, which is a path full null tells as to whether motivations for doing so were pro-town (to not out the Warlock) or pro-scum (to potentially frame Diggit). Hmmm. Interesting indeed. But, it is another conveniently lucky coincidence that Diggit managed to find a Witchdoctor needle in the haystack. Can you explain why you chose to enchant Rugger? ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2008, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1660 "2008-07-19T02:56:11Z")
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies] Huh. So the relevant meat of the Warlock rule entry is Bolding mine. It seems plausible that such subtle wording might escape the collective perceptions of quite a few folks. I certainly haven’t been anticipating what Diggit alleges as a potential explanation. But then again, I can be dumb as a box of rocks. Seems like I could be in good company though on that point though. 😃 Or perhaps some of you were aware of that possibility but kept it to yourself, which is a path full null tells as to whether motivations for doing so were pro-town (to not out the Warlock) or pro-scum (to potentially frame Diggit). Hmmm. Interesting indeed. But, it is another conveniently lucky coincidence that Diggit managed to find a Witchdoctor needle in the haystack. Can you explain why you chose to enchant Rugger? [/QUOTE] Well, there are several. 1. I was pretty sure that **brewha** (as the Coroner) would be the target of the Vampire(s) 2. **CatInASuit** would be a.) protected by the Witches or b.) covered by the WitchDoctor and wasn’t likely to die that Night 3. **Nanook** was also unlikely to die (for the same reason as number 2) 4. I had made a list of 5 potential potential protectees before the game started (not including me) and the Cat was on it, so, I rolled the dice and \*\*Pygmy Rugger \*\* got protected ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2008, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324/1661 "2008-07-19T03:07:14Z")
[QUOTE=dotchan] Nuts, and here I was all looking forward to hanging out with you guys! 😃 Well, here’s hoping there’s still a Witchdoctor out there who used his or her juju on me last Night. [/QUOTE] Of course you do realize, if you do come back, per SDMB rules, we’ll be forced to lynch you right? 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324.md?page=82) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-conspiracy-2-the-cabal-strikes-back-game-over/452324.md?page=84)