# Mafia de Cuba game **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [December 5, 2015, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490 "2015-12-05T03:38:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/61 "2015-12-08T18:52:29Z")
No comments have been made about the Driver’s identity until now unless I missed something. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/62 "2015-12-08T19:02:42Z")
Okay I add some? > [@](#): > > Wolverine - da Godfadda “@Wolverine, did you take any diamonds?” > [@](#): > > IRConfused - may have rubbed out the FBI agent See below. > [@](#): > > Plumpudding - “not all diamonds there, but quite a few” and “I received either a FBI token or a Henchman token, or both if I am lying. I think IRConfused is most likely thief or FBI, therefore I posit I’m either henchman, thief or FBI. So Mahaloth is either henchman or thief.” “Oh yeah forgot about that one. Mahaloth could also be driver.” > [@](#): > > Prof. Pepperwinkle - Hello! I took no diamonds. Hmm? ? > [@](#): > > Mahaloth -“Henchman and FBI Agent” Nope, thief, driver or henchman. > [@](#): > > TexCat - “only 2 diamonds left when she got the box” which Mahaloth denied Dunno, Urchin, driver, thief or henchman. > [@](#): > > septimus - no comment; he’s no stoolpigeon Urchin, driver, thief or henchman. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/63 "2015-12-08T19:43:23Z")
I am reading along but … I M Confused. I’m just trying to figure out who the other Henchman might be. AFAICT, almost all of you are Thieves, Liars, or both. ---
**Author:** ![IRConfused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@IRConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IRConfused)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/64 "2015-12-08T20:01:19Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I am reading along but … I M Confused. > > I’m just trying to figure out who the other Henchman might be. AFAICT, almost all of you are Thieves, Liars, or both. Sounds like \*\*septimus \*\*just claimed to be a Henchman. Time to update your List **Prof.** ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/65 "2015-12-08T20:04:47Z")
Septimus cannot be a henchman. There were no tokens left in the box when I passed it to him. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/66 "2015-12-08T20:07:50Z")
I suspect Septimus is an urchin, but Wolverine should be able to determine whether he is a thief or an urchin, depending on whether he got 2 diamonds back or not. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/67 "2015-12-08T20:09:14Z")
Of course. When I said “other” Henchman, I meant the Henchman token left after IRConfused removed one. ---
**Author:** ![IRConfused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@IRConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IRConfused)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/68 "2015-12-08T20:11:24Z")
I never said I removed a Henchman token. ---
**Author:** ![IRConfused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@IRConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IRConfused)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/69 "2015-12-08T20:36:14Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I suspect Septimus is an urchin, but Wolverine should be able to determine whether he is a thief or an urchin, depending on whether he got 2 diamonds back or not. Assuming that \*\*TexCat \*\*really had 2 diamonds passed to her and actually passed them both to **septimus**. By the way, Don **Wolverine** passed us 14 diamonds and 12 of them disappeared between being given to \*\*Plumpudding \*\* and \*\*TexCat \*\*ending up with 2. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/70 "2015-12-08T20:49:47Z")
That means you stole five. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/71 "2015-12-08T21:42:30Z")
I took none. I am a Trusty Henchman. ---
**Author:** ![IRConfused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@IRConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IRConfused)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/72 "2015-12-08T21:48:56Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > I received either a FBI token or a Henchman token, or both if I am lying. I think \*\*IRConfused \*\*is most likely thief or FBI, therefore I posit I’m either henchman, thief or FBI. So \*\*Mahaloth \*\*is either henchman or thief. Lets take a look at this statement from where I sit. I received either a FBI token or a Henchman token, or both if I am lying. - True statement. Since he received a Henchman token and a Driver token, but did not get the FBI token which means that he did not receive both so he is not lying. I think \*\*IRConfused \*\*is most likely thief or FBI, therefore I posit I’m either henchman, thief or FBI. - Half truth. He knows that I am either a Henchman or the FBI agent and can’t be a thief, since he got the box with two roles missing. So he could be either a henchman, driver or thief. So \*\*Mahaloth \*\*is either henchman or thief. Problem here, see below: > [@Plumpudding](#): > > That means you stole five. Since he is accusing me of being a thief, he is not the driver (If I am accused for any reason, he loses unless I am the FBI agent which I have previously admitted to discarding.) That means that \*\*Mahaloth \*\*could be the driver, a henchman, or a thief. (Can’t be an urchan since \*\*TexCat \*\*said she got 2 diamonds passed on to her later.) ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/73 "2015-12-08T21:50:16Z")
And based on your own statement, IRC, Plum must be right about you stealing five. If there were 14 diamonds when you received the box, and there were 9 when I received it, that means that 5 diamonds were stolen by you, along with one of the two missing roles (as of the time I received it) which means you have to be the Agent, as the other Trusty Henchman (Plum!) couldn’t take both a role AND diamonds. I am a Trusty Henchman and I win when the Godfather wins. …okay, you could be a Trusty Henchman and Plum could be the Agent, but either way, you took 5 diamonds. ---
**Author:** ![IRConfused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@IRConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IRConfused)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/74 "2015-12-08T21:52:54Z")
Trusty Plum is just a thief, plain and simple. He took no role, just the diamonds. ---
**Author:** ![IRConfused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@IRConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IRConfused)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/75 "2015-12-08T21:54:49Z")
Each player may remove either: 1. as many diamonds as they wish, or 2. a role token of their choice You can’t do both. Either you take a role or you take diamonds. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/76 "2015-12-08T21:55:05Z")
Uh, no. When I got the box two roles were missing. Since (unless I misunderstand the rules more than I think I do) we can each only take one role EXCEPT for you, IRC, and that means both you and Plum had to take a role, and you were the only one who could take both a role and diamonds. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/77 "2015-12-08T21:57:17Z")
> [@](#): > > Okay, we have 7 players and are going to begin the game. The randomized list is > > Wolverine > IRConfused > Plumpudding > Prof. Pepperwinkle > Mahaloth > TexCat > septimus > so Wolverine is the Godfather. The cigar box starts with 15 diamonds, 2 Loyal Henchman tokens, 1 FBI Agent token, and 1 Driver token. With only 7 players, the Godfather will not have any rum. > > The box will then be passed down the list and each player may help themselves to as many diamonds as they wish or a role token. **IRConfused will have the option of removing a role token from the game in addition to what they take**. If the box is empty when you receive it, you will be a Street Urchin. septimus will have the option of not taking anything from the box and becoming a street urchin. > I will notify each of you by PM when you receive the box of what the contents are. Please send a PM back to me letting me know what you are taking. I will not be posting updates here in the thread after each passing. > > I am on Central Standard Time, so you can expect me to not be available during my local night. I also work during the week, so while I can check occasionally, the board will not have my full attention. I will get to things as soon as I can. MentalGuy’s post from #21. Bolding mine. ---
**Author:** ![IRConfused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@IRConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IRConfused)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/78 "2015-12-08T22:07:44Z")
Yep, I took two roles and discarded one. ---
**Author:** ![IRConfused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@IRConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IRConfused)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/79 "2015-12-08T22:18:53Z")
Using the info that we have so far, here is what I think happened: **Wolverine** Takes one diamond from the box and passes it on \*\*IRConfused \*\* Takes a henchman role and discards the FBI role **Plumpudding** Takes 5 diamonds **Prof. Pepperwinkle** Takes the second henchman role **Mahaloth** Takes 7 diamonds **TexCat** Takes the Driver role and passes the last 2 diamonds on **septimus** Either leaves the last 2 diamonds in the box and becomes an urchan or takes one or 2 diamonds and becomes the 3rd thief. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/80 "2015-12-08T22:34:27Z")
Yeah. Someday I’m going to have to stop and actually read what I’m posting. IRC, that makes sense. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490.md?page=5)