# Mafia de Cuba game **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [December 5, 2015, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490 "2015-12-05T03:38:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Wolverine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/81 "2015-12-08T22:55:58Z")
I can confirm 2 things at this time. When I gave the box to **IRConfused** , I had removed 1 diamond. Nothing like stirring the pot to get it started. 😃 Second, when I received the box, there were 2 diamonds and no roles. I just woke up a half hour ago and need to give the thread a longer read again, but some quick assumptions. I love my loyal henchman **IRConfused**. It wouldn’t make sense for an FBI agent to claim to be a loyal henchman. They would never be falsely accused. As a henchman, he would want to remove spoiler roles like the FBI agent. Also, the power to remove an extra role is too tempting to not use for the first game. \*\*septimus \*\*is an urchin. \*\*TexCat \*\*gave an accurate description of the number of diamonds and roles for the box I received. There is no way to know for sure what \*\*septimus \*\*did so being caught in a lie is dangerous for **TexCat**. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/82 "2015-12-08T22:59:43Z")
I think you’re close IRC, but I am henchman. I think Prof P must be the driver. Where’s Wolverine? I thought he was supposed to be figuring this out. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/83 "2015-12-08T23:00:43Z")
Oops. Ninja’d. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/84 "2015-12-08T23:04:52Z")
Wolverine’s time zone puts him in the early morning. Mahaloth could verify I’m the henchman, but would he? ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/85 "2015-12-08T23:05:15Z")
> [@IRConfused](#): > > Using the info that we have so far, here is what I think happened: I disagree with IRConfused, I believe we’ve presented both our cases sufficiently. > [@](#): > > **Wolverine** Takes one diamond from the box and passes it on > \*\*IRConfused \*\* Takes a henchman role and discards the FBI role > **Plumpudding** Takes 5 diamonds I disagree. As for who did what between the two of us, we’ve pretty much said it already. Anything after that you have > [@](#): > > **Prof. Pepperwinkle** Takes the second henchman role > **Mahaloth** Takes 7 diamonds > **TexCat** Takes the Driver role and passes the last 2 diamonds on > **septimus** Either leaves the last 2 diamonds in the box and becomes an urchan or takes one or 2 diamonds and becomes the 3rd thief. Why do you believe prof.? Doesn’t look to me like he’s revealed much about himself. What if Mahaloth is driver, or septimus for that matter? Have they claimed? I’ve already shown that Mahaloth lied, have you taken that into consideration? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/86 "2015-12-08T23:09:40Z")
Regarding Plum and IRC, Mahaloth can’t know any more than I do. When I got the box diamonds were missing along with 2 role models. Since nobody can take both diamonds and a role, IRC’s claim to have pitched one role must stand since he’s the only one who could have. ---
**Author:** ![Wolverine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/87 "2015-12-08T23:33:15Z")
I’m fairly convinced of \*\*Plumpudding’s \*\*guilt. Even if \*\*Prof. Pepperwinkle \*\*is a thief, throwing \*\*Plumpudding \*\*to the Godfather is a great way to get henchmen cred. There is no way for 2 roles and extra diamonds to go missing if \*\*IRConfused \*\*stole diamonds and \*\*Plumpudding \*\*took a role. It has to be the other way. If I’m wrong, this will be one of the shortest games of Mafia ever on these boards. **Plumpudding, empty your pockets!** ---
**Author:** ![IRConfused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@IRConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IRConfused)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/88 "2015-12-08T23:33:16Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > I disagree with **IRConfused** , I believe we’ve presented both our cases sufficiently. > > I disagree. As for who did what between the two of us, we’ve pretty much said it already. Anything after that you have > > Why do you believe prof.? Doesn’t look to me like he’s revealed much about himself. What if \*\*Mahaloth \*\*is driver, or \*\*septimus \*\*for that matter? Have they claimed? I’ve already shown that Mahaloth lied, have you taken that into consideration? If you were a henchman, you would have known that you received 14 diamonds from me, and you would have no reason to accuse me of stealing 5. If you were a driver, you would not want to accuse me of stealing anything unless you were pretty sure I was the FBI agent since you would win if I was accused. that leaves you as a thief, since its the only other option and you would need to have some way to account for the 5 missing diamonds when you passed the box onto **Prof. Pepperwinkle** What happens if I actually am a thief and took the 5 diamonds that you say I did? If you took the henchman role, then you know that convincing Don **Wolverine** to falsely accuse me of being a thief will lose the game for you also. If you took the driver role, same problem. If I lied about getting rid of the FBI role and you took that, then there are too many roles in play. Of course we could both be thieves but then we still have the problem of too many roles. And yes, I took into account that \*\*Mahaloth \*\*seems to have lied, hence accusing him of being a thief also. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/89 "2015-12-08T23:54:41Z")
So, how is it that IRConfused is the least confused among us? ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/90 "2015-12-09T00:47:20Z")
\*\*Plumpudding empties his pockets and shows 5 diamonds. Plumpudding is eliminated from the game, but the Godfather has not retrieved all his diamonds, so the game continues.\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/91 "2015-12-09T00:55:53Z")
I am so glad I decided not to be Plum’s Driver. ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/92 "2015-12-09T01:57:46Z")
Going back and reading I realized I may not have made something clear. Since Plumpudding is eliminated, he is no longer allowed to play, which means he may not post in-game information in the thread. I think that was the assumption everyone was making, but I did not want to leave any doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Wolverine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/93 "2015-12-09T03:06:16Z")
Scenarios: [ul] [li] **Prof. P** is thief or henchman. It doesn’t make sense to work against **PlumPudding** if the role was driver.[/li][li] **Mahaloth** is thief or driver. There is no reason for a henchman to lie about the roles. He could be a driver to a henchman Prof. P and didn’t know it.[/li][li] **TexCat** could be any of the 3. She has been honest and forthcoming. A sure sign of underhanded backstabbing.[/li][li]\*\*septimus \*\*is not a thief (but could be an urchin, driver, or henchman if \*\*TexCat \*\*was lying about no roles remaining.) The number of diamonds remaining with \*\*TexCat \*\*was specific and accurate enough to rule out septimus stealing.[/li][/ul] We are looking at either 2 thieves or 1 thief and 1 urchin. I will never accuse \*\*septimus \*\*as that is a losing position for me. \*\*Mahaloth \*\*can not be a henchman. **Mahaloth** : Who do you think is the henchman? **Prof. Pepperwinklke** : Who do you think is the driver? **septimus** : If you’re the henchman as you claim, who do you think is the driver (assuming the other 2 are thieves)? **TexCat** : What is the airspeed of an unladen swallow? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/94 "2015-12-09T03:37:24Z")
I’m guessing TexCat is the Driver, but I cannot rule out anyone. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/95 "2015-12-09T03:39:13Z")
I can google that for you. > **[Estimating the Airspeed Velocity of an Unladen Swallow | style.org](https://style.org/unladenswallow/)** > > Finally, an answer to the classic question. > [@](#): > > Although a definitive answer would of course require further measurements, published species-wide averages of wing length and body mass, initial Strouhal estimates based on those averages and cross-species comparisons, the Lund wind tunnel study of birds flying at a range of speeds, and revised Strouhal numbers based on that study all lead me to estimate that the average cruising airspeed velocity of an unladen European Swallow is roughly **11 meters per second, or 24 miles an hour**. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/96 "2015-12-09T03:45:45Z")
Who said it was a European Swallow, eh? ---
**Author:** ![IRConfused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@IRConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IRConfused)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/97 "2015-12-09T03:53:20Z")
I don’t think \*\*septimus \*\*ever claimed a role. He confused me with his post but he clarified it later. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/98 "2015-12-09T10:01:53Z")
I think TexCat is lying about how many diamonds she received. Of course I can confirm that there were two left when I got the box. TexCat is a Thief. I’m not sure whether Mahaloth or the Prof is the Driver. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/99 "2015-12-09T10:35:15Z")
Good morning, guys. Haha, killed me in my sleep, eh? Goodbye, I guess. I hope you do better that me! ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-de-cuba-game/739490/100 "2015-12-09T13:11:49Z")
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