# Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT EIGHT **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 27, 2009, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-eight/483255 "2009-01-27T18:22:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2009, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-eight/483255/21 "2009-01-27T19:46:12Z")
Google ``` Advanced Search ``` Preferences Web Information No results found for “holy-water tipped spears wielding Predator”. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2009, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-eight/483255/22 "2009-01-27T19:51:33Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Google > > ``` > Advanced Search > > ``` > > Preferences > Web > > Information No results found for “holy-water tipped spears wielding Predator”. \ ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2009, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-eight/483255/23 "2009-01-27T20:36:16Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > \ Really? Because I’m still shaking with laughter!!! ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2009, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-eight/483255/24 "2009-01-27T20:51:47Z")
> [@amrussell](#): > > This raises the question: **of our 10 unconfirmed** , how many do we expect to be scum? Nine! I forgot pedescribe. Sorry dude. I think the Predator vs Alien franchise is mercifully dead now, but I for one would pay good money to see Predator vs Poltergeist. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2009, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-eight/483255/25 "2009-01-27T20:52:47Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Google > > ``` > Advanced Search > > ``` > > Preferences > Web > > Information No results found for “holy-water tipped spears wielding Predator”. Need answer fast! ---
**Author:** ![dotchan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@dotchan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dotchan)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2009, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-eight/483255/26 "2009-01-27T20:56:41Z")
Given 9 unconfirmed and 3-4 mislynches left, we could always just lynch them in some order (alphabetic? :D) and let the scum do their thing until the player pool gets smaller. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2009, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-eight/483255/27 "2009-01-27T21:05:45Z")
> [@amrussell](#): > > Nine! I forgot pedescribe. Sorry dude. > > I think the Predator vs Alien franchise is mercifully dead now, but I for one would pay good money to see Predator vs Poltergeist. I’m betting on 2-3 scum left. We’ve had a fair number of power roles but so have they–and assuming the high side keeps us from getting complacent. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2009, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-eight/483255/28 "2009-01-27T22:36:33Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > I’m betting on 2-3 scum left. We’ve had a fair number of power roles but so have they–and assuming the high side keeps us from getting complacent. I disagree. A typical number for 25 is 5 scum, and for 27 is six. Given that all the scum have had power roles so far, but that we’ve only had about half of ours have power roles so far, I’m guessing there are 2 left, maybe 1. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-eight/483255/29 "2009-01-28T02:46:56Z")
so we have the singing, but where’s the nudity? any thoughts on the idea that lynched Betas take out mostly dead Scum? \*\*Chucara \*\*died and \*\*buffy \*\*completely died at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-eight/483255/30 "2009-01-28T10:45:10Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > so we have the singing, but where’s the nudity? > any thoughts on the idea that lynched Betas take out mostly dead Scum? > > \*\*Chucara \*\*died and \*\*buffy \*\*completely died at the same time. Interesting, but there’s only one way to test it. If you’re wrong, it costs us a mislynch. It looks like we could afford that just now, but I’d rather still go for scum. On which note: I can see the case against **special ed** ; obsessively trying to side with known town is poor play, and I didn’t like his saving of MHaye. **Brewha** I’ve been suspicious of for a while and I didn’t find his recent defence( that he wasn’t reading my posts in context when he built a sloppy case against me) to be very convincing. Reading back, the fact that JSexton defended him doesn’t look too good either. \*\*Millit \*\*has been bugging me for a while; he’s become a lot more active since MHaye died; at least in his attacks on me he was following JSexton’s lead. **zeriel** still isn’t posting very much; ditto **Nanook**. \*\*Rapier \*\*I’m leaning more town on now, but that’s more gut plus absence of obvious scumminess than anything else. Similarly, I’ve long felt that \*\*Natlaw \*\*was acting pro-town, but I should probably check that before I do something stupid. I’m also struck by the Day Four end votes: Blaster Master (7): Natlaw, dotchan, Millit the Frail, brewha, JSexton, Hockey Monkey, Mhaye Given that scum had a definite interest in lynching rather than NK-ing Blam, and that it did run close with Hal for a while, I think there’s a good chance that at least one of the unknowns is scum. I’m going to hold back from voting just now, in the interests of maybe hearing more from people. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-eight/483255/31 "2009-01-28T11:16:43Z")
> [@Millit\_the\_Frail](#): > > Natlaw, can you explain a bit more clearly? I’m having a little trouble following how a block would hurt us. Are you saying that a Doc/roleblocker using his/her powers could be a bad thing? Since I did not make it clear in my previous [post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10750095&postcount=19): I think any power roles (doctor, vigilante) should not worry about this too much and just keep using their powers. Scum could create a four player LyLo by simple not killing the Night before (if that is an option for them). ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-eight/483255/32 "2009-01-28T14:37:41Z")
Millet and brewha seem to be under scrutiny at the moment so as I’ve already had some suspicions of millet I’ve done a bit of a read through. I’ll try and do brewha as well but I’m supposed to be working. And crap - I just tried to post it and was told it was too long so I’ll break it up into two. Sorry - it’s a long one as the actress said to the elephant: > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT ONE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/12): > > Possibly, but again, I’m not sure why we want to know. I’m still thinking that a mass roleclaim is a great deal more likely to out power roles to scum than to out scum to town. Can someone who supports the roleclaim lay out a better case for it? If I see the logic, you could change my mind. It just seems really hasty, like the Masons claiming early. > > **I’m also wary of naming people in posts–those who are using powers will be using them on the most logical targets, and that will be easy to spot. For instance, the Dr. will protect the most likely scum targets (T_ownies who are “on to them”_), the Detective will investigate the scummiest looking players…very risky, IMHO**. (bolding mine) I brought this point up when she first posted it but this wording still seems very strange to me. Not only that, the whole post is basically disagreeing with name claims while calling them roleclaims while asking for reasons to claim while saying it might out power roles - no real solid opinions. I don’t get the being wary of naming people part either. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT ONE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/210): > > Well, shucks. I think that, in my absence, the town is on to something for real. That was suspicious as hell, **macey**. > > Vote **macey** Vote number 9. Voting for scum at this point doesn’t make her scum certainly but there’s no town motivation there either. A null tell. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT ONE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/245): > > Yay! I can’t believe we got away with that on Day 1. I wonder how the board outage affected the voting. A lot of last-minute votes may have been prevented…or not. Maybe that’s why the scum couldn’t save **macey**? > > Of course, by then, **macey** had nine votes, so it’s really unlikely that anything would have worked without being uber-suspicious. > > I’m sure some scum voted for **macey** –it’s a good place to hide–but it seems likely that we’ll find other scum either not voting or keeping their vote on someone else. Just sitting in place, worried about looking like they’re trying to save **macey**. > > From what I’m reading, I’m sure I’ll come under fire for being a late voter for **macey** , but what can I say? I was asleep the entire time he was getting the earlier votes! And his fishing was _definitely_ a scum tell. No one else, suspicious or not, had anything as damning against them. This post implies the scum were either not voting for macey or early voters who couldn’t reasonably get off the wagon. Excuses her late vote. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT TWO](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/78): > > I’m stuck between a couple of choices. **Peeker** is up there for going back and forth on some things (from what I can tell, anyway), such as lynching **BlaM** for lurking. And the metagaming and constantly throwing out what appears to be random thought–it feels like he’s trying to put on a persona for the game. Which is annoying, but not damning…shifty at worst. Why create a smokescreen around yourself if you’re pro-town? > > Looking at the votes gives me some other good candidates. The people who voted after **macey** started getting votes but who did NOT vote for **macey** are: > > **zeriel** (one jokey post voting and un-voting **dotchan** ) > **NAF** (voted **chucara** –that vote still stands) > **buffy** (SCUM–voted **cookies** ) > **Pleonast** (Mason–voted **JSexton** , unvoted **JSexton** , then voted **Thing Fish** ) > **Diggit** (voted **chucara** –that vote still stands) > **Cookies** (unvoted **JSexton** , voted **BlaM** , but currently voting for **Hawkeyeop** ) > **amrussell** (unvoted **peekercpa** , voted **Rapier** , currently voting **dotchan** ) > **Natlaw** (unvoted **Diggit** , voted **peekercpa** , has since unvoted) > **chucara** (voted **Thing Fish** , unvoted during Night, sounding almost like he knew his vote might have immediate consequences) > **Almost Human** (voted **Millit the Frail** , then quickly unvoted) > > I would expect to find more scum in here and in the pool of never-voters ( **MHaye, BlaM, Nanook, Hal** ). > > I can give the second-listers some leeway, as they weren’t around to make votes or got caught in the board outage. Lynching the lurkers is a gamble, and I want to hear more from all of them before I throw out an actual vote. (Despite my belief that, statistically speaking, there’s probably at least one scum among them.) > > It’s the first-listers that I want to focus on. There are potentially a few scum diversion attempts in there, none of which really went anywhere, possibly due to the board outage, but more likely due to the fact that they couldn’t herd enough townies toward any other candidate without being extremely obvious. > > More analysis to follow, stay tuned. Again the implication is scum were among those not voting macey - convenient. Also a subtle smudge against me “voted Millet the Frail then quickly unvoted”. Actually I unvoted after she responded to my suspicions but hey, what’s a little smudge in mafia. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT TWO](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/219): > > OK, now that that’s settled, you should have gotten a “TRUE,” because I would have shared my Alpha/Beta persuasion with y’all, and yes, I have one. This whole Vincent thing (love the reference, btw) is pretty nifty, but people have already come along to create doubts. > > Some good reasons to doubt: > > 1. We already have (had) ☹ a confirmed Investigator. Would there really be 2 in a game this size? > 2. If there are 2, our puppy here could be “paranoid” or unreliable. And in this sort of situation, an unreliable cop is as good as no cop. IMHO. > 3. We’ve already killed 2 scum in just under 2 days; they could be scared enough to try a false roleclaim. Especially one that distracts the Doctor. > > Caution is a good thing. I’m not sure we should talk about lynching him for proof yet. If he is for real, we should probably keep him around for as long as possible. And there’s still a significant chance he’s for real. Firstly he wouldn’t have got a TRUE because story, while awesome, isn’t as far as I know able to divine intentions. The rest of this post is basically casting doubt on NAF’s claim without actually coming out and saying you don’t believe him. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT THREE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/14): > > Crud. Sorry to see you go, **Hawkeye**. Oh well, at least we learned some things. We have a non-compulsory Vig, apparently, and these 1/5 dead things are piling up. > > I’m town, dudes. (And chicks.) And you don’t have to keep calling me Mrs. Millit, but hey, it’s better than **Ma’am** , I suppose 😃 This is not a proper town claim IMO so it was fairly safe to make it. You did reclaim on Day/Night Four but by then NAF had already said who he’d be investigating the next two Days so it was safe to do so as you planned on him being dead by then. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT THREE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/100): > > Crap crap crap! These days are too short, and I’ve been on the road all day and probably won’t be back until tomorrow night. I just realized that will be too late to vote then, and it’s after 1AM and I need to go to bed. What’s up toDay? There’s very little posting but a lot going on. I worry that we may be letting power roles do all the work for us. :dubious: And we’re not even certain about their claims yet–there’s no way to know for sure who’s telling the truth and about what. Can we trust **DC**? The knocks are there, but he could be lying about the questions. > > I had a great reason to put my vote on him (the **macey** diversion vote), and now I have no other candidates jumping out at me. I imagine that there will be a flurry of voting tomorrow morning as you all decide what to make of the new claim, but I’m going to leave my vote where it is, try to get online in the morning, and see how things check out. We’ve all been suspicious of **NAF** ’s claim–why are we so eager to believe **DC**? I mean, I’m leaning toward **NAF** being totally above board, but we’ve got to be cautious, people. > > And why are we now claiming Alpha and Beta? I thought we had decided it was not a good idea, for fear of outing power roles. Even though I’m pretty much trusting **NAF** … So you were suspicious of NAF but now you’re inclined to trust him but now you’re suspicious of Diggit? > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT THREE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/114): > > Thought I’d be too late, but here I am. Whew! Anyway, I’m gonna cut to the chase: > > \*\*Unvote DiggitCamara > > Vote Chucara\*\* > > I’ll go with that. If DC is being truthful, I’ll forget about my own vote analysis for the moment. > > And still, let’s be careful about manipulation. There’s no reason to unequivocally believe there’s not a big ol’ scummy plot going on. And now you give Diggit the benefit of the doubt while implying there’s a scummy plot going on - whether this includes NAF or not isn’t clear. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT THREE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/243): > > I’ve been trying to make sense of lots of things, including all these roleclaims, and I’m still inclined to believe everyone. But I don’t suspect everyone who doubts them either. Sigh. (snipped) And now you believe both roleclaims. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FOUR](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/43): > > Arrrgh. I just re-read my post. Sorry to sound confrontational there **NAF** –I guess I still don’t understand how you’ve picked your targets and feel you should be investigating scummy players. But it’s not my power role. I want to trust you but don’t see how this tactic is more useful to us. It would be what I would do if I were scum making a false claim–keep finding townies instead of looking for scum. And you could be psuedo-attacking him here to throw us off his nasty Deadite scent. You’re desperate to get him modkilled, and we may not even have a Vig… > > BTW, what do you think about the other lurkers– **Hal** and \*\*zeriel \*\*come to mind. **Hal** said he’d be back by now. Neither have voted at all. And now you don’t trust him as much but want to. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FIVE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/48): > > I’m listening to Ash; she’s got the hookup. My opinions: > > **Nanook** is a good candidate too. After I run a couple errands today, I’m going to post my **Nanook** case. Good or bad. > > Of those you’ve mentioned, I’d go with **Hal**. He finally voted, only yesterDay, and when he did, it was for Ash. That’s completely fishy. As the Pool O’ Scum ™ is shrinking, I’m betting the scum start getting awfully quiet, and **Hal** is caught in the crosshairs on this one. He said he’d start posting more last week, but by then, it was getting risky to do so. > > **amrussell** is posting a lot, and it’s mostly decent analysis. I don’t see anything particularly scummy. I’ve got to think about this one. > > **MHaye** has some bad stuff going for him. Posting infrequently, voting last-minute, etc. I don’t know that his “Alpha Redshirt” guess on Hal was PI, though. If the scum know who is Alpha and who is Beta, they also know who the power roles are, as none appear to have A/B identities so far. That’s waaaaay unfair. Then again, what do I know? A scum investigator is possible, but why investigate **Hal**? The paranoid version, if I’m right about **Hal** : **Hal** could simply be lying in order to make **MHaye** look bad. “Haha, he’s RIGHT! Must be scum!!” > > **JSexton** is a mixed bag. He went after **Blaster** pretty hard, and he hasn’t been bandwagoning other than that. His other vote that stuck was for **Pleonast** , early on Day 1, and that doesn’t tell me anything. Seems to be posting a fair amount, though. > > Just my 2 cents, as a non-confirmed townie. It’s weird, you’ve been in and out the trusting NAF and Diggit camp yet you trust cookies. You can only trust cookies if you trust NAF. Or if you have another reason to have trusted her you should spell it out which you didn’t do here or previously. You make some new accusations. MHaye and JS are at the bottome of the list with Nanook, Hal and amrussel at the top. Your case against Nanook is for lurking, Hal for voting cookies. You mention amrussel as doing decent analysis (very different from your later post about him). With MHaye you manage to say what he’s done does look suspicious but maybe there are reasons for it and he isn’t necessarily the scum investigator and Hal’s just trying to make MHaye look bad. With JSexton - well he went after Pleo and Blam quite hard but that’s about it. Both scum. Both somewhat protected by you. ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-eight/483255/33 "2009-01-28T14:38:47Z")
> [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT SIX](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/62): > > Now that I’ve got another voter on the \*\*Nanook \*\*wagon, I’m tempted to not jump off! I don’t think anyone should be getting a pass for laying low at this point. Just because someone’s away from the game for a bit or bored or whatever doesn’t make them not scum. > > I’m trying to explore some new candidates, but yesterDay gives us a lot of data but few answers. I’ve already outlined my misgivings about voting **MHaye** , though I don’t think he’s getting a reprieve. Some thoughts, from my vote analysis: > > **Special ed** threw out a lot of “me too” votes yesterday and nailed the coffin shut on **Hal** …who was town. Changing your vote repeatedly to go the way the town is going strikes me as trying not to be held accountable for your votes. That’s mega-suspicious to me. **Special ed** is also a champion bandwagon jumper, voting for the “winner” every Day but Day 4, when he put in a last-minute and non-game-changing vote for 2nd-place **Hal**. > > **Brewha** would look really suspicious to me–he also made a crucial vote to swing things in **Hal** ’s direction–but I’ve still got strong townie feelings toward him from Day 1. I just can’t see scum bussing scum like that right out of the gate. It’s the same feeling that made me positive that **Cookies** was town, also back on Day 1. Scum would do anything for love…but they won’t do THAT. (_No, no, no they won’t do that!_)\* > > **Zeriel** : didn’t vote for _three days_, then voted and unvoted **Blaster** on Day 4. Votes **MHaye** early on Day 5, when he’s not really a top candidate. Leaves his vote there. The whole thing strikes me as playing it really, really safe. I don’t know whether it looks better for him if **MHaye** turns up scum or town. > > I would be willing to vote for any of these three, but **brewha** only if I get something really convincing. But for now, I’m sticking with **Nanook**. Voted once all game, for **Hal** , solidifying his lead yesterDay. > > \*At least, I think not. And let’s face it, it was time for some Meatloaf. He was in RHPS…and that’s a campy horror movie, right? Crikey - you accuse amrussel of poo flinging? Now you’re after Special Ed for me-too voting. Also your wording of your case against him is pretty extreme. He’s turned into a champion bandwagon jumper. While I don’t personally agree with voting alongside confirmed town unless I think their candidate is scummy, doing so isn’t necessarily a scum move, especially as two of those “bandwagons” were on scum. As for his voting Hal - he’s already said but I don’t think it’s been recognised that he made a case against Hal initially so wasn’t just bandwagon jumping in that instance. Brewha you say made you suspicious but you get a “townie feeling” from him. So that’s one of the players garnering suspicion out of the way. Then you back up your reasoning by saying scum wouldn’t have voted for macey so early on in the game yet in one of the posts I’ve quoted above you say the exact opposite. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT SIX](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/109): > > I think I’m on to something, and I’m going to make this vote early. > > First of all, **unvote Nanook**. > > I made a case against **special ed** yesterDay but didn’t change my vote. Everything that’s happened since then makes me positive that I’m on the trail of a scum. My previous case: > > “Special ed threw out a lot of “me too” votes yesterday and nailed the coffin shut on Hal…who was town. Changing your vote repeatedly to go the way the town is going strikes me as trying not to be held accountable for your votes. That’s mega-suspicious to me. Special ed is also a champion bandwagon jumper, voting for the “winner” every Day but Day 4, when he put in a last-minute and non-game-changing vote for 2nd-place Hal.” > > All of that still stands. But…now look at **special ed** ’s votes for **MHaye** : > > He voted **MHaye** on Day 5…RIGHT BEFORE MHaye’s roleclaim. Less than an hour, in fact. It was THE last vote before the claim. It was a safe vote, because he KNEW there was going to be a claim. And he did it to gain townie cred right before the big reveal. He changed his vote to **Hal** along with everyone else, also, and we know what happened there. He could have left it alone, because his vote didn’t change anything, but he couldn’t have a rollover vote in case we kept going after **MHaye** on Day 6. > > Then on Day 6, he changed his vote to **MHaye** later in the Day, when there was little to no prospect of him surviving the noose. This is bussing if I’ve ever seen it. > > AND…to top it all off, **MHaye** ’s final parting vote was a shot in special ed’s direction. Well-put-together and nicely reasoned, but also a complete throwaway. This is textbook Mafia-covering-Mafia behavior, and I DO think **MHaye** would pull it. > > Altogether, I hope we’re closing in on the scum, and I think this is our best bet for lightning to strike twice in a row. I’m not going with my gut; I’m reading the votes. It’s there. > > **Vote special ed** Basically Mr Special Ed can’t do right for doing wrong. He votes MHaye before his claim, unvotes him afterwards and goes back to voting for him along with the confirmed town later on. The reasons you give him for doing so are very inventive though. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT SEVEN](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-seven/482492/12): > > Mrs. Millit won’t be participating in the gratutious nudity, but she might put on her nurse’s outfit and would definitely break into song! No kill, yay! > > OK, let’s get serious toDay. I want to bust some more Deadites. I see that no one is picking up on my case against **special ed** , but I see another good candidate rising. A few players who have strong townie cred with me have put out good arguments against **amrussell**. I can buy it. Something about his analyses has struck me as forced and smudgy. There’s definitely a poo-flinging quality to his style, as someone mentioned, and I can’t forget how he outed **Hockey Monkey**. That whole exchange was bizarre to say the least. He commented on how various players were scummy for jumping on bandwagons (including **MHaye** ), but then he voted **Hockey Monkey** for “blending in.” Not for lurking (there were much bigger lurkers in the game to go after) or for not voting (she missed one vote, but that’s not what he’s going on about), but for being careful. What? > > I’ll give up on **special ed** for now, but don’t think I won’t be back… > > **Unvote special ed > Vote amrussell** So the Mr Special Ed bandwagon hasn’t worked and now you’re onto amrussel. You totally contradict your earlier assessment of him too - this has already been brought up by amrussell so I won’t go into details. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT SEVEN](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-seven/482492/114): > > That’s…bizarre. So the question is, would storyteller actually do that, to throw us for a loop, or is this a bit of misdirection that, frankly, doesn’t give scum much of an advantage? Huh, **JSexton,** huh, you scummy evildoer? > > OK, I suppose the advantage to it would be that we could look at his arguments differently. Unless that’s what he WANTS us to do. If he’s lying, that is. :smack: > > I’m completely undecided about **amrussell** now. But I’m still convinced I’ve got a bead on **special ed** , so here goes: > \*\* > Unvote amrussell > Vote special ed\*\* > > Oh, and the spreadsheet will go live again in a matter of hours. Thanks for your patience. Um - were you actually hoping anyone would buy this? > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT SEVEN](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-seven/482492/123): > > You are one sick puppy. But I admire it. Thanks for playing **for** us, dude! (snipped and bolded) I repeat… “_ **for** _ us”? > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT SEVEN](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-seven/482492/130): > > As in, playing as if he were town.\* Instead of playing for **them**. The way I said it in my head made sense, with the emphasis on “us,” but I can see how it’s an awkward phrase. I’m not a genius, but I’m really not dumb enough to be a scum making a slip by referring to myself as one. 😛 > > \*Looking closer, he didn’t say specifically that he was playing as if he were on the town’s side, but his “Go Town” comment made me assume so. > > That is, of course, if we really believe him. And this looks like total track covering to me. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT SEVEN](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-seven/482492/142): > > Hahaha. OK, fine. I guess it’s my turn in the hot seat. If I did the same, though, I’d be voting zeriel or Natlaw, and I don’t think that’s a great idea. They haven’t picked up many votes and I don’t see it happening any time soon. So > > Amrussell has a good point about me changing my tune on him. Those two statements were separated by a few days, and after reading more and more of his analysis, it all started to run together. It was probably a bad move on my part to let that influence my attitude toward him so strongly. I need to re-evaluate him big time, because he was right about JSexton all along. Amrussell and I use very different styles for trying to catch scum. Mine is all about the votes, and it hasn’t been working well yet this game, but I know there are other players who rely on voting records heavily also. (That’s why I put the spreadsheet together.) Whereas amrussell sifts through statements made and tried to find contradictions and changes in tone. Hey, it’s a valid method, and he actually caught a scum! Go amrussell! > > So basically my defense is that I was confusing different styles of play with different motives in the game. It’s crappy play, which doesn’t surprise me coming from myself :o but is not excusable. Sorry guys. > > Anyway, I’m still voting special ed. I know that he voted JSexton at a crucial time yesterDay, but saving him would have looked really bad when he turned up scum, and he wasn’t going to last another day. Is this really stretching it? I don’t think it makes him a townie to vote for a scum (yes, I’m banking on him doing it multiple times) when he’s up 4-2 at the very end of a Day and almost certainly going down. You amaze me. You’d be looking at zeriel or Nanook. You’ve retracted your vote for amrussel now and you’re back to Mr Special Ed - well he’s garnered a bit of suspicion so it may actually work this time. All in all, for the category of poo flinging champion of this game I think the shiny brown turd gong should be awarded to you. I’m tempted to reread your posts all over again and if there’s someone you haven’t mentioned in a negative light I’m going to guess they’re scum. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-eight/483255/34 "2009-01-28T15:31:08Z")
…I’m still satisfied with my vote. My opinion has changed…but I’m still satisfied. ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-eight/483255/35 "2009-01-28T16:27:03Z")
:smack: With all my posting I completely forgot to actually vote! At least until I’ve looked at brewha properly: **vote Millit the Frail** Um I spect you’d rather I didn’t repeat my reasons 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-eight/483255/36 "2009-01-28T18:55:53Z")
I’m impressed AH. That was quite a lot of digging you did there. And damn if the things you bring up don’t look amazingly suspicous when you lay them out next to each other like that. Millit’s been bugging me as well, for much the same reason as Natlaw, but there’s certainly a lot more meat to what you’ve brought up than to my more nuanced case. **Unote Natlaw Vote Millit** ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-eight/483255/37 "2009-01-28T19:24:30Z")
> [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT TWO](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/219): > > > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT TWO](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/219): > > > > Hey all… > > > > Millit is a she. > > Millit is a female. > > Millit is a her. > > Millit is a woman. > > Millit is a Mrs. > > > > OK, now that that’s settled, you should have gotten a “TRUE,” because I would have shared my Alpha/Beta persuasion with y’all, and yes, I have one. This whole Vincent thing (love the reference, btw) is pretty nifty, but people have already come along to create doubts. > > Firstly he wouldn’t have got a TRUE because story, while awesome, isn’t as far as I know able to divine intentions. The rest of this post is basically casting doubt on NAF’s claim without actually coming out and saying you don’t believe him. Repeating the Mrs. part for amrussell ;). The other reason is I totally missed **Millit** s claim about having Alpha/Beta status (thus most likely vanilla town), even though I quoted her post right after. [QUOTE=Almost Human] It’s weird, you’ve been in and out the trusting NAF and Diggit camp yet you trust cookies. You can only trust cookies if you trust NAF. Or if you have another reason to have trusted her you should spell it out which you didn’t do here or previously. You make some new accusations. MHaye and JS are at the bottome of the list with Nanook, Hal and amrussel at the top. Your case against Nanook is for lurking, Hal for voting cookies. You mention amrussel as doing decent analysis (very different from your later post about him). [/QUOTE] **NAF** investigated **Cookies** as town Day Four and told us Night Five. NAF was confirmed Dawn Day Five by turning up dead. **Millit** s post you’re responding to here was from Day Five, so yes Cookies was pretty much confirmed at that point (unless Godfather or NAF had a failure rate, etc). I’ll go read part two now :). ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-eight/483255/38 "2009-01-28T19:29:33Z")
NETA: (thus most likely vanilla town) should be (thus most likely a vanilla town _claim_) and in the second part it should be: NAF told us _Night Four_. ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-eight/483255/39 "2009-01-28T19:52:18Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > Repeating the Mrs. part for amrussell ;). The other reason is I totally missed **Millit** s claim about having Alpha/Beta status (thus most likely vanilla town), even though I quoted her post right after. I’m not sure what you’re referencing but the point I was making was about Millit’s response to NAF’s point here: (snipped) > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT TWO](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/210): > > I used my power yesterDay on Millit saying that he would be fine to truthfully claim, and got back a woof. So once I got an idea of how direct Story wants me to be… > > I decided to get direct. > [@](#): > > **NAF** investigated **Cookies** as town Day Four and told us Night Five. NAF was confirmed Dawn Day Five by turning up dead. **Millit** s post you’re responding to here was from Day Five, so yes Cookies was pretty much confirmed at that point (unless Godfather or NAF had a failure rate, etc). > > I’ll go read part two now :). You’re right - my bad. The rest of my points stand but that particular post was made after NAF died - the perils of looking through a single person’s posts rather than the whole thread. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-eight/483255/40 "2009-01-28T20:16:28Z")
> [@Almost\_Human](#): > > I’m not sure what you’re referencing but the point I was making was about Millit’s response to NAF’s point here: (snipped) That were just a note for amrussell who called Millit a he and a note for myself, because I hadn’t notice that claim of Millit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-eight/483255.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-eight/483255.md?page=3)