# Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT EIGHT **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 27, 2009, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-eight/483255 "2009-01-27T18:22:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 42
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-eight/483255/42 "2009-01-29T12:05:27Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > thanks for doing all that legwork, **Almost Human**. > > I’m \*eagerly \*awaiting the \*\*brewha \*\*installment. > > In the meanwhile, I’m going to do some double checking on what you’ve dug up. If I didn’t know you better I might think you were being sincere but as I do I’ll just virtually slap you for taking the piss out of my overlong posts 😃 You’ll be pleased to know that this one’s going to be a lot shorter. Millit was quite easy - brewha not so much. Before I start quoting I’m going to say I’m far less sure of this than Millit’s but I do think he’s a good candidate. A lot of his posts have been pretty safe null tells so I’ve had far less to go on. I’d urge all of you not to just take my word for this and the Millit posts but go back and see for yourselves too - you’re bound to find stuff I’ve missed. I’m keeping my vote on Millit. I think there’s evidence against brewha too but I’m much more confident about Millit. (On preview I realise I totally lied about the length of this post - soz!) > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT ONE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/130): > > Oooh that is blatant fishing. What else would you possibly want to find out. If pede is a mason, he is town. > > The way I see it, there’s three options here. > > 1. Pede is a mason. The other masons know this and have said nothing - which is exactly how it should work. > > 2. Pede is scum, and there is no mason faction. If that is true, than the scum were given extra info on who all they were up against, or that is a ballsy move by Pede. > > 3. Pede is scum and the other masons the few people we haven’t heard from yet. > > I think 2. is very unlikely. I hope that Story is not such a gastard mod that he would give the scum that much inside info. And if it were just a straight balls out move, it would be suicide if there were mason faction. > > 1. is possible, but it is only a matter of time before the truth would come out if it were the case. > > 2. is the most likely and what I’m going to believe until I have reason to doubt it. > It sounds to me like you are trying to get more power roles outed. Not very townie of you at all. > > **Vote macey** This is brewha’s post where he’s first off the bat to vote macey. It can be interpreted more than one way. He could simply be town jumping on an overeager scum. He could be scum jumping on scum but expecting the furore to die down - there were a few people (myself included) who didn’t think macey’s statement necessarily made him scum so his lynch wasn’t inevitable. It also took a while to get off the ground so it may well have seemed a safe place to leave his vote. Once the votes did start piling on though it would’ve been difficult to unvote. Plus, scum may well have decided it was worth sacrificing macey there and then. Of course this is just speculation and in and of itself not enough to base a brewha vote on. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT ONE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/136): > > Yes. I considered that Pedescribe could be lying. As a matter of fact, I listed the three possibilities I saw - two of which included scenarios where he was lying. > > Have a look at post #130 for a refresher. > If he were scum and wanted to lie, he would have been much better off to claim a power role that wouldn’t be so easy to disprove. He could have claimed doctor or detective or beat cop all of which may have taken pressure off him without the danger of someone coming out and proving that his claim was false. > > You can wag your FOS all you want, but I’m comfortable with my vote. Scum on scum arguing? Possibly. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT ONE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/250): > > I’ll be looking close at the late bandwagon voters as well. But, then again, if I were scum I would probably do my best to keep my fellow scummies out of the noose. Only voting for them to cover my ass when it was apparent that there was no saving them. > > It’s very possible that no scum did vote for macey just because the board was down at the time that they would have. > . (snipped) Points out he’ll look at the late bandwagon voters and players who didn’t vote for macey as scum could be hiding there. By doing this he implies early voters aren’t scum. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT TWO](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/33): > > The mason death also sucks, but at least that pretty much confirms **Pedescribe** as town. I gotta do some re-reading to see if I can find something in the posts. But, for now - at least til we get some response - Vote **Blaster Master**. > > Seriously - he has done nothing in the way of participation and yet has very little suspicion on him. If he is scum and trying to cruise under the radar, it seems to be working. Votes Blam - perhaps the scum planned to get rid of him early. He’s a very analytical player and they may not have known his allignment at that point (I’m not sure they ever did but think it’s likely due to the way JS went after him later) > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT TWO](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/45): > > I just feel it’s unfair that we are picking apart every post of every person - which lead to outing a Mason on day one. But, people who post nothing have absolutely zero suspicion since there is nothing for us to analyze. (snipped) Supports his case for LTL by saying jumping on people led to a mason claim. He was one of the people suspicious of pede himself. Then votes cookies when his Blam vote goes nowhere. Unvotes here when peeker makes his reveal: > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT TWO](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/117): > > **Cookies** , I’ll admit it. My vote for you was mostly to see how you’d react. Your explanation holds water for now. > > Unvote **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** Note here he says he only voted her to see how she’d react. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT THREE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/89): > > Bolding mine. I didn’t want to snip for fear taking it out of context. > > First bold. > Hawkeye, I thought you had conceded that the dispute you had with Cookies was just due to a difference in strategies. Maybe it was someone esle. I’ll have to go back and look. > > But as I recall, Cookies did try to discourage the Macey vote. And that’s as good of a lead as I have on anyone at this point. > > Vote **Cookies** > > As for the second bold. This is exactly what I said after Naf claimed. It’s just like the power Hal Briston had in the Batman mafia - if he figured everyone out he, and only he, wins. So, yeah I’m a little leary of giving NAF too much info. Then revotes her for ‘protecting’ macey. His reason is that hawk still doesn’t trust her. He also manages to stick in a smudge on NAF in the process. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT THREE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/187): > > Nice. Real Nice. > > Look, just because you say you can investigate means absolutely nothing to me. I have no reason to trust you unconditionally. That makes me, or any other town member, a moron? > > So, what if you come back with a ‘read’ on Cookies? How do we know your read is correct? We’re just supposed to trust you til day 5 or 6? What if you’re scum? All you are doing is delaying the town. > What if you, Cookies, and Total lost is scum. You’re basically screaming “NO DON’T LYNCH Cookies!”. So you can come back tomorrow and say, “well whadda know, Cookies is Town - which makes Total Lost town”. Now we have 3 confirmed ‘Townies’, who are actually scum and free to do what they want until we lynch you in a couple of days. By then it could be too late for the town to recover. > > Look, I’m not sayin that any of the above is actually what I believe. I’m just saying that I cannot take your word as gospel truth. And I’m just leary of your whole claim. Sure looks like you are saying you believe this to me. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT THREE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/189): > > Anyone know how many days we have til Lynch or Lose? > > I’ll see if I can figure it out. I don’t understand this - it’s Day 3 and you’re asking this question. Seems like just another way to get town to lynch NAF early. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT THREE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/250): > > True, but we aren’t going to find out in a day. We will find out what NAF says Cookies is in a day, but we won’t actually find anything out til we lynch or vig NAF. > > I’m with Hawkeye on this one, we need to kill NAF before he says we should. The longer we wait, the more we screw ourselves if he is scum. > > OTOH, if he is who he says he is, we do need to wait long enough so that he actually has a list of who we can trust. Seems you’re toning it down a bit now. Maybe you’d been told to back off and be a little less eager to get NAF lynched. Still a large dose of suspicion but now you’re prepared to wait. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FOUR](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/21): > > I’ll be honest. I’d be happy to string up Cookies. Between her dispute with you and defense of Macey, I think she is the most potentially scummy. > > But, I’m willing to play along with NAF’s strategy for now. > > We NAF does get off’d, we will be able to lynch Cookies with confidence or put her on the definitely town list. I’m willing to wait - but not more than a couple of days. “When NAF does get off’d” - well he was taken out that Night. To me it looks as though you’re still hoping to get cookies lynched thereby nullifying NAF’s investigation for that Day. You know you’ll be killing NAF that Night so you can afford to let him wait. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FOUR](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/99): > > As for **Blam**. No activity for days on end. Finally get a post from him that pretty much says, " don’t vote for me cause I got majiks that I won’t tell you about." > > Sounds like scum trying to stall to me. > > Vote Blaster Master Back to Blam now things have settled down > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FOUR](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/280): > > And, holy shit Amrussel! Where did the Freddy K. thing come from? That is pretty much spectacular. I hereby name you king of the woods. I will subscribe to your newsletter. Interesting seeing as JSexton mentioned Freddy Kruegar first albeit in reference to Total Lost. Perhaps you wanted that part brushed over. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FIVE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/117): > > [First Vote](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10626411&postcount=60) > Because of Macey defense > > [First Unvote](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10629568&postcount=117) > After Cookies explained the points I questioned her about. > > [2nd Vote](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10646437&postcount=89) > OK, this is where I get the order of events confused. For that I apologize. You see, (and it is mention in the above post) I thought that the differences between Hawkeye and Cookies had been resolved until Hawkeye came out and encouraged Cookies votes. I was corrected later, it was the argument between JSexton and Hawkeye that was chalked up to differences in play style. So, now knowing that Hawkeye wanted to see Cookies strung up, I re-voted her. > > [2nd Unvote](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10652517&postcount=146) > Because Cookies posted her role PM. About her “nugget” > > There’s the correct order and my thinking. What can I say, I was wrong purely do to laziness. That’ll be the last time I assume I am remembering correctly. Your reasons for voting/unvoting/voting/unvoting cookies. Sounds good. You admit to getting mixed up with who posted what and admit to being lazy. Scum wouldn’t do that would they? > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FIVE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/145): > > I’m just worried that this last minute flurry is precipitated by scum trying to get the pressure off of Hal. It’s just been in the last couple of hours that the vote has swung dramatically. This seem off to anyone else? > > If MHaye swings and turns out to be town, I’ll be looking very close at those who changed their votes at the last minute. > > I just feel like we’re being herded here. Hmmm. This probably went a fair way to getting people to unvote MHaye and vote/revote Hal. Admittedly our masons (bless em) were voting/unvoting me at a rate of knots which probably didn’t help but you certainly contributed to letting MHaye live an extra Day. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FIVE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/271): > > I was concerned about the sudden swing of votes and felt I needed to comment. In retrospect, I wish I hadn’t. I’m not sure that I believe Mhaye’s claim. And even if he is a doctor, he’s done a pretty poor job of it. (snipped) Now you’re suspicious of MHaye. Now he’s been saved and Hal’s been lynched. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FIVE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/272): > > Oh, and I missed a part. The day ended at 6:00 PM (CST) which was only 90 mins from when Mhaye took the drastic lead. I just seemed to me like a last minute attempt for scum to save one of their own. > > Yeah, I know Cookies is town, but I was pretty sure that there was a significant scum presence in those eight votes. So you think there was a scum presence? Who specifically? > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT SIX](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/52): > > Maybe you confused me with Hawkeye, Millt? Last paragraph of [Post 38](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10713956&postcount=38). > > I really dont’ see a downside to a test - except giving scum one more day to live if he is scum and there is no vig. Hey, maybe you can get your buddy to stay alive an extra Day. And yes, I realise the irony as I also wanted to test MHaye. In my case, I thought he was most likely telling the truth, partly because due to my role I knew we definitely still had at least one protective role still alive. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT SIX](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/67): > > The day is closing down and I want to get my vote in. > > **Vote Nanook of the North Shore** > Mostly for lack of participation. I’m seeing alot of people getting hounded for their opinions. Or the wording in their arguments. Or capitalization. I just don’t think it’s fair that Nanook isn’t getting scrutinized simply because she isn’t posting. I’m not looking at this as simplistically as lynch the lurker, but that is probably how it is going to come off. So, I’m sure I’ll get picked apart for my vote, but there’s another issue. Nanook has a voting history of 1, right? When you vote, you become accountable for that vote. I’ve made some good choices and bad choices for voting, and I will defend my reasoning even if it turned out to be wrong. Nanook has nothing to defend. I think she’s lying low to avoid suspicion and is so far succeeding. > > I’m still not convinced Mhaye is scum. I’m also not convinced he is town, but I feel that there is too big of a risk to lose such a power role if he is. I am strongly encouraging our Vig to attack him tonight - if he survives the day. This is pretty safe. You’re back to LTL. You make a smudge on Nanook in the process claiming he’s only voted once which is incorrect. Yes I know you explain that away later with the question mark at the end of your sentence. And you’re hardly going to vote a fellow scum when his death isn’t inevitable. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT SIX](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/107): > > Well, I had considered that Story had written the PM. But, the dig is that the PM was kinda over the top. If Story writes a fake role claim that isn’t believable - it’s worse than writing non at all. I just thought that if Story had written it, it would have been more realistic. Maybe I’m looking too much into it. So before you weren’t entirely sure whether or not MHaye was telling the truth or not. You thought it worth keeping him alive to test it though so obviously you were inclined to believe him. Now he’s dead MHaye’s role pm has suddenly become unrealistic? > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT SEVEN](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-seven/482492/147): > > Sorry I’ve been out of the loop for the last couple of days guys. I was visiting my inlaws and was under the impression that they had internet access - they did last time I was there. > > I’m a bit surprised to find out that I’m “clearly scum”. > > Was there a case against me somewhere? I did a quick skim up to the lynch, and I didn’t notice one. I’ll check again. This seems far too passive to me but then I do tend to take these things personally. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT SEVEN](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-seven/482492/148): > > Oh, the hand thing. Yeah, I kinda feel like a moron. I missed that it was in response to Macey’s severed hand giving the finger. > > When I did my Amrussel analysis, I just did a search for posts by him in the game room. Obviously some things were taken out of context. > > Unvote Amrussel Admits to his mistake and unvotes. Trying to look town? I dunno. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-eight/483255)._