# Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FIVE **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 12, 2009, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855 "2009-01-12T01:11:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2009, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/221 "2009-01-15T21:55:26Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Or confirm you as a liar, since you’ve already stated that no one you protected was ever targeted. As far as I know, yes. As I said, I’m not sure whether I would have detected BlaM’s attacks. So there has to be the caveat that if someone has an attack that can get past my vigilance in some supernatural way, then they could have attacked NAF without my knowing. Which would be embarrassing to say the least. > [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > So any killer want to note they targeted Naf? Mhaye why didn’t you use your power night one? Wasn’t Pede outed by then? Pede was outed as a power role by Night 1, and I did consider it, In the end I decided not to protect Pedescribe, because if I had been a regular Doc Pede is who I would have protected, and I wanted to conserve shells for later Nights. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2009, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/222 "2009-01-15T21:56:49Z")
Why did you not continue to protect **NAF** , **Mhaye**? ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2009, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/223 "2009-01-15T22:27:07Z")
> [@Hockey\_Monkey](#): > > Why did you not continue to protect **NAF** , **Mhaye**? The main reason is to do with who I changed _to_, and I think that’s better hidden for at least Tonight. I didn’t want to switch from NAF; two names was a start, but three (or even four) would have been better. The fact that I changed anyway should you something about how important I think the person I actually guarded _is_ to this game right now. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2009, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/224 "2009-01-15T23:30:38Z")
Sure, I understand that, but you must have some insight the rest of us do not, as I can’t for the life of me figure out who you thought would be more important. Why did you not protect DiggitCamera? ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2009, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/225 "2009-01-15T23:59:15Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > As far as I know, yes. > > Pede was outed as a power role by Night 1, and I did consider it, > > In the end I decided not to protect Pedescribe, because if I had been a regular Doc Pede is who I would have protected, and I wanted to conserve shells for later Nights. A few more queries. Why did you want to save your first power? Your second power was better than the first power. Wouldn’t you want to use the first one, so you could kill whoever attacked a townie later on? Why did you protect Naf, an unknown, over confirmed townies? Is your current protectee based on information you haven’t shared with us? ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/226 "2009-01-16T00:47:57Z")
> [@Hockey\_Monkey](#): > > Sure, I understand that, but you must have some insight the rest of us do not, as I can’t for the life of me figure out who you thought would be more important. > > Why did you not protect DiggitCamera? There were several reasons I went for NAF over Diggit. I’m playing this guessing-game with the deadites, trying to work out who they might attack, while also maximising the chances of a block by spreading protections around. The obvious move for the deadites seemed to be to go for Diggit, but we’ve already seen that they are prepared to skate round the obvious choice and go for someone else. I hoped to catch them doing the same thing on Night 3. At the same time, I hoped that any other protective roles (and yes, I do think there is one) _didn’t_ follow that line of thinking. Secondly, I didn’t think Diggit’s Day 4 Dawn reveal would be stopped by a kill, and (to be honest) couldn’t see any immediate follow-ups Diggit could manage with the then dead pool. Remember, he’d published the questions beforehand, so the knock code was easily interpreted. Thus, there was less short-term risk than might at first sight appear. The long-term potential was greater, but it depended on losing Town power roles to death or lynch with unrevealed information _first_. So it looked more like a come-from-behind mechanism for the Town to me. Thirdly, NAF’s obvious next investigation had the potential to confirm two players as Town, a slightly better short-term gain. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/227 "2009-01-16T00:52:58Z")
[oog]I just saw that our very own mod is off getting himself [pitted](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=501950). I wonder if there will be an update citing Hal’s death color…[/oog] ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/228 "2009-01-16T01:23:30Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > Why did you want to save your first power? Your second power was better than the first power. Wouldn’t you want to use the first one, so you could kill whoever attacked a townie later on? And what if the attacker were a Vig? Frankly, I didn’t want to “burn off” the first protection for no reason; we might be grateful for it in a few Nights time. > [@](#): > > Why did you protect Naf, an unknown, over confirmed townies? I chose NAF because he was (if being truthful) revealing information, and was therefore a threat to the deadites. If he was lying, the downside was that I was protecting someone who wouldn’t be attacked, and someone else would be killed instead. In which case I had been well and truly suckered. (It’s happened once before). If by confirmed Townies you meant Pedescribe, I passed him over because I didn’t think there was much risk of him getting killed that Night. Why should the scum choose a Mason when, at that time, they’re after more active power roles? If you meant someone else, I can’t work out who at gone 1:20 in the morning. > [@](#): > > Is your current protectee based on information you haven’t shared with us? The player I guarded last Night was chosen based on information in publically available posts in the Game threads, plus a deduction about the game structure based on those posts. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/229 "2009-01-16T01:31:44Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > And what if the attacker were a Vig? Not too likely a vig would attack a mason ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/230 "2009-01-16T01:37:48Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > I chose NAF because he was (if being truthful) revealing information, and was therefore a threat to the deadites. If he was lying, the downside was that I was protecting someone who wouldn’t be attacked, and someone else would be killed instead. In which case I had been well and truly suckered. (It’s happened once before). In the span of a few lines you manage to discuss the possibility of a Vig and then suddenly come down with Vig amnesia. A potential downside of protecting an unconfirmed NAF would’ve been if a pro-town Vig had taken a shot at him, and you would’ve gotten in the way. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/231 "2009-01-16T01:43:01Z")
or one of the SKs for that matter… ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/232 "2009-01-16T01:46:28Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > [oog]I just saw that our very own mod is off getting himself [pitted](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=501950). I wonder if there will be an update citing Hal’s death color…[/oog] I can’t believe I’ve been posting/lurking here since 2001, and my very first pitting is for making fun of the New York Jets. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/233 "2009-01-16T03:30:47Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > Because I didn’t have a strong case for any and I didn’t want to risk lynching a power role without giving them time to claim. > > I don’t think we can say for sure which variety Strongman or what **macey** actual powers were. With pre-prepped you mean you think scum haven’t prepared a fake role PM to false claim with? > > Also neither **macey** or **Hawkeyeop** burned up. The Alpha-lives-on-for-one-fifth idea looks wrong now, unless it doesn’t happen on a lynch. No way to say for sure, but still no reason the claim A/B without reason. > > I wouldn’t say his killing payload is huge, depending how you read it he gets one kill when he defends himself twice, or it could mean his second shot always kills. Perhaps **MHaye** can ask **Story** for clarification on that (I don’t think he’ll answer anyone else asking, if he does at all). > I can see why he claimed late: he became lynch leader quite late and (if true) scum can now avoid missing a kill or getting revenge killed by targeting him. > About not revealing his targets: if he guarded claimed/confirmed power roles I don’t see why he shouldn’t. But it doesn’t help confirming his alignment. **pedescribe** probably was protected from **Blaster Master** Night One and you had some sort of protecting from him Night Three, but MHaye already said he wasn’t those. He could have double protected and got ignored because he couldn’t shoot a nightmare? > > The only worry thing about his claim (besides not easily confirmed) is see at the moment: > Questionable Hillbilly sounds like a deadbeat to me. So either **MHaye** is lieing or this hint is not about PFKs, but more a clue to help confirm townie (a piece of the puzzle like the attractive mason and **Cookies** ’ info on **Total Lost** ). I completly disagree. Does Vincent, the dog who knows things sound like a student either? Here’s the full text describing it (the original had a few words cut out so the scum wouldn’t know it was the treasurer providing) > [@](#): > > 1. You have one bit of interesting information at your disposal that no one else possesses, not even your Xeta Xeta Xeta sisters. Because you maintained the list and collected money from attendees, you know that 25 people are paid in full and are students in the area. Since 27 people are present, that means two of them are crashers. You assume the Deadites will have taken the place of enuine, fully-paid students, so the question of who the two deadbeats might be remains an open one for the time being. We’ve already had one confirmed townie who’s not a student and would probably not have had to pay. We’ve also had two people lynched who not only probably didn’t pay, but they don’t make any sense being here. It makes much more since if they were the deadbeats, IMO. > [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > In the span of a few lines you manage to discuss the possibility of a Vig and then suddenly come down with Vig amnesia. A potential downside of protecting an unconfirmed NAF would’ve been if a pro-town Vig had taken a shot at him, and you would’ve gotten in the way. Ah, but if a vig had killed NAF, he would have died without confirming cookies, FWIW. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/234 "2009-01-16T03:43:42Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Ah, but if a vig had killed NAF, he would have died without confirming cookies, FWIW. Irrelevant. We’re talking about what options a protective town role had with the information that was publicly available when MHaye allegedly first decided to protect an unconfirmed NAF, and which of those options make more sense from a pro-town perspective. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/235 "2009-01-16T03:54:24Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Irrelevant. We’re talking about what options a protective town role had with the information that was publicly available when MHaye allegedly first decided to protect an unconfirmed NAF, and which of those options make more sense from a pro-town perspective. If you were a pro-town vig, would you have killed NAF? I know I wouldn’t have. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/236 "2009-01-16T03:56:35Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > If you were a pro-town vig, would you have killed NAF? I know I wouldn’t have. EBWOP: …Would you have killed NAF _Night 3_?.. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/237 "2009-01-16T03:59:29Z")
I’m beginning to think \*\*Mhaye’s \*\*claim is horse manure. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/238 "2009-01-16T04:08:42Z")
I’m afraid that’s irrelevant too, pede. We’re talking about the decision to protect Naf on Night 2, after he claimed on Day 2. And to answer your question, I was not particularly happy with him for claiming when he did and what he did, and if I had been the Vig I might very well have taken a shot at him. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/239 "2009-01-16T04:21:19Z")
The most annoying part of this is that MHaye is claiming to be in one of the few positions where it’s not necessarily anti-town to be in possession of a magic bag–the self-protector. ---
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/240 "2009-01-16T05:46:46Z")
I haven’t a strong opinion either way about MHaye’s claim yet (still waiting to see if he spills his target), but I can’t believe there’s still a question as to who the deadbeats are/were. It’s pretty obvious, IMHO, that they were Freddy Krueger and the Predator. They don’t belong in this universe, they had their own little contest going on, and they were neither Town nor Deadite. Just saying. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855.md?page=13)