# Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FIVE **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 12, 2009, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855 "2009-01-12T01:11:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/101 "2009-01-14T17:37:37Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > Then why did you only start a couple hours before night? Start _what_? My basic style is to read a passage, reread, digest and post. I started the _post draft_ late. I was reading and rereading - with frequent breaks - for hours that evening. I started the actual writing of the post late, and only because of the fact I thought we had another hour. > [@](#): > > And why do you stop posting strategy once night comes? Maybe I want a break, to just let the game mature a bit. Sort of like cows ruminating, but on a mental level. > [@](#): > > There really shouldn’t be much time pressure in a game in which you can post strategy at any time. Posting at the very end of days doesn’t give the rest of town a chance to respond to and critique your posts. There were flaws in your analysis here as you have acknowledged, but because of when you posted no one had a chance to correct you before the day ended. I could have done something differently, yes. I could have just posted “Vote BlaM. I’ll start drafting a post explaining why now.” How well do you think that would have gone down? I’d probably have been mobbed. The point of that post was to vote in Day 4. In order to have my vote count, it had to be in by the deadline. If I planned not to vote, I’d have taken my time drafting that post, I’d probably have caught the repetition (even if I made it). > [@](#): > > A good town player does two things. One is to find scum, which I believe you are pretty good at. The other thing, which is just as important, is to convince the rest of the town that you are pro-town. This is where your style doesn’t work for me. I have no idea if you are town or scum. I don’t think I’ve had a good read on you in any game we have played together. I don’t like lynching lurkers, because you are just as likely to be town as scum, but leaving unknowns until the end is a dangerous strategy. > > Making mistakes is okay. Seeing what type of mistakes you make can be helpful in determining your alignment. I personally would rather you make more posts “rushed” than only post when you are sure of things. Leaving unknowns to the end is sometimes the way to play. I basically caught Greedy Smurf in Last Bastion because he lurked. Rushing posts, making stupid errors like repeating seven paragraphs of your post and causing mass confusion isn’t good play - whatever side you’re on. You’re likely to get lynched for obfuscation. I’ve said this before. There are two ways to get more participation out of me. One is that my input naturally increases as the game size shrinks, (and I have a feeling this game has had less deaths than Storyteller planned so I’m suffering because of BlaM’s bad luck) and the other is to ask me direct questions, or pose puzzles where I think I have something more than “me too” to contribute. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/102 "2009-01-14T17:47:00Z")
[quote=“MHaye, post:101, topic:480855”] Start _what_? Start your read through. If you posted just as often, but did it in the beginning of days then at least the rest of town would be able to respond to your post before the days ends. > [@](#): > > My basic style is to read a passage, reread, digest and post. I started the _post draft_ late. I was reading and rereading - with frequent breaks - for hours that evening. > I started the actual writing of the post late, and only because of the fact I thought we had another hour. All I’m saying is it would be more useful if you did this entire process early in the day (or at night) then at the end of the day. You keep talking about how you only had so much time, but that was entirely your own doing. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/103 "2009-01-14T17:53:44Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > The thing is Hal, you’re remembering only the positives - those innocent slips that turn out to be made by Mafiates. What about those that are made by Townspeople? You don’t remember them because they didn’t lead to a Mafia lynch, so they’re failures, and you want to remember only successes. > > For an example, read Day 4 of Skrull Planet. Or just read from [D4.265](http://psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=wait&action=display&thread=472&page=9#32908) to the Day’s end. I’m sure Zeriel remembers the lynch mob that followed that slip of the tongue. And was he Mafia? No, he wasn’t. I’ve stated from the beginning that this is no slam-dunk. And I’ll meet your example with **Darth Sensitive** ’s [“ToDay was a disaster”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9574350&postcount=1148) statement from The Mafia Is Recruiting. It could’ve been an innocent slip as well, but it wasn’t – he was the Godfather. I’ll say to you what I said to him at the time – there is a possibility that this was a slip…that’s all it is, a possibility. If you want me to change my vote, then convince me otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/104 "2009-01-14T18:50:01Z")
> [@amrussell](#): > > This is pure scum thinking. Not only is brewha acting like there are only two candidates, he’s also betraying a desire to align with town. Being dead hadn’t made Hawkeye right. This willingness to stop thinking and side with the known town player shows more concern with looking good than finding scum. How am I acting like there are only two candidates? Please tell me how you see that. Listening to NAF or listening to Hawkeye meant that I would either vote for Cookies or I wouldn’t. I already had suspicions of Cookies - it’s well documented (wrong, but documented). NAF, an unknown, convinced me to unvote Cookies. Hawkeye, proven townie, convinced me to go back to my original vote. Obviously, being dead didn’t make Hawkeye right. But it did allow me to trust his motives. I didn’t know NAF’s alignment and was hesitant to trust his motives. Frankly, warping a person’s voting like you have done is a common scum trick. Take some facts (who I voted for), mix in some blatant lies (acting like there was only two candidates), and cast me in a bad light. And the second part: > [@](#): > > he’s also betraying a desire to align with town. I’m betraying a desire to align with town? What? I plainly stated that I was more willing to listen to Hawkeye - a known TOWN - than to someone who was not town. What exactly am I betraying here? I’m not so sure that word means what you think it does. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/105 "2009-01-14T18:52:06Z")
VOTE COUNT **Nanook** (3) - Millit the Frail, dotchan, Natlaw **Mhaye** (3) - Hal Briston, Zeriel, pedescribe **Hal Briston** (3) - Cookies, special ed, hockey monkey **brewha** (1) - amrussell **JSexton** (1) - Almost Human Day to end in about five hours, whether I’m able to end it immediately at that time or not. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/106 "2009-01-14T18:56:01Z")
My vote is still currently on **Hal**. For a recap, I gave the reasoning yesterDay in [post 4.306](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10678583&postcount=306) I’ve read through everything, but I’m not ready to change my vote. I’m also concerned that \*\*Hal \*\*had no votes whatsoever until late in Day 4 when he started taking excessive heat. And at that point, he voted for **cookies** , who we knew NAF was investigating. A Scum might also want to eliminate \*\*Cookies \*\*before she came up confirmed. Some points I don’t want us to lose sight of, though they may not be of great urgency. 1. I know \*\*Cookies \*\*has been **NAF** -confirmed, but why did [post 5.006](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10680121&postcount=6) carry the title of “little white lies”? Something is just not right here. I’m not sure where to file this one, as, for now, I’m trusting **cookies**. 2. What’s with the yellow glow? Maybe I’m metagaming. I, honestly, was expecting someone else to end up “fully dead” at some point toDay. 3. I’m not confident in any of the numbers being thrown around as to how many Scum/PFK’s there are, but I’m concerned with the numbers \*\*amrussel \*\*gave us in [post 5.093](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10691462&postcount=93) Saying we’re not in danger of lynch or lose for possible 5 more Days? For the record, we lose in a tie situation (for Scum can just vote as a block, and then NK). I’m also not convinced we don’t have more PFK. I know the mason message said 2 ‘deadbeats’ who weren’t students like us. That’s what we’ve killed in \*\*peeker \*\*and **Blam** , but that doesn’t mean there aren’t more PFK who are students like us. Obviously the Scum are like us. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/107 "2009-01-14T19:00:23Z")
I see **amrussell** already made a vote out of it, so here my reasoning why I thought it wasn’t enough to vote. > [@brewha](#): > > Natlaw is picking apart my votes on **Cookies**. Lemme splain. On day two, I had suspicions toward **Cookies** based on her defense of **Macey**. I dropped the vote because **Naf** wanted to investigate her. On day three, **Hawkeye** comes in and basically screams, “Vote for **Cookies**.” Now who do I trust? **Hawkeye** - dead and proven to be town. Or **NAF** alive and claiming to be a “Dog that knows things” - a claim that could not (at the time) be proven for several dAys? > Knowing what I know now, I should have trusted **NAF**. But, there was no way to know that at the time. You’re mixing things up: -you unvoted **Cookies** Day Two, because you were just testing her and believed her. **NAF** claimed Night Two. - **Hawkeyeop** s dead confirmed he was vanilla town without special information. So that did not change his case against Cookies. It did weaken Cookies’ defense (which was mostly based on Hawk being scum). You say you you only have the **macey** defense lead on Cookies, but vote her while you think NAF is PFK. -Night Three you unvoted Cookies because of her claim. You do this without comment, while the claim wasn’t like like a mason claim that could be easily counter claimed and thus trusted. You are right that NAF indicated he would investigate Cookies before you unvoted. > [@](#): > > Not sure if that says anything? I’ve been in on voting for scum on every scum lynch, and you’re not sure if that says anything? I’m not one to pat myself on the back, but of all the mafia games I’ve played, this ranks #1 for me voting wise. To me, that line sounds like a smudge. Like you are saying that my voting record is suspicious. > Really, what kind of logic is that? This guy is voting to well! He’s done nothing but help kill scum! He’s up to something! Yes, that what I noticed too and that is what makes it suspicious: who is more likely to vote correct, town or scum knowing who is and isn’t scum? The PFK lynches are a null tell, because they’re beneficial to both sides. The lynch of townie **Chucara** was with a big majority and you weren’t one of them. But like I said, you starting the **macey** vote gives you a lot of credit, especially because if you were scum you could have warned him on the scum board, instead macey overreacted and ensured her lynch. In my opinion the latter was more important than the Cookies (un)votes, so I didn’t vote for you today. I think the mix up in the quoted posted is a town tell, as I would expect scum to ignore my post or be more careful in responding. Then again on preview: [QUOTE=brewha] I already had suspicions of Cookies - it’s well documented (wrong, but documented). NAF, an unknown, convinced me to unvote Cookies. Hawkeye, proven townie, convinced me to go back to my original vote. [/QUOTE] **NAF** was busy with his claim vanilla idea and **Chucara**. I did suggest he should investigate \*\* Cookies\*\*, but NAF never responded or talked about Cookies himself. So are you making a mistake or retroactively changing your motivation to revote Cookies? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/108 "2009-01-14T19:04:17Z")
> [@Hockey\_Monkey](#): > > I’m gonna start by **poking Hal.** Um…you know he’s come back by now. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/109 "2009-01-14T19:07:32Z")
**Natlaw** , I don’t think I’m mistaken. NAF didn’t want to see Cookies lynched. Not because he had already investigated her and knew she was town, but because he had planned to investigate her. And, since Cookies vouched for Total Lost, he could essentially get two confirmed townies for the price of one investigation. Maybe I am getting a bit mixed up here, but that’s how I remember it going down. I had voted and unvoted Cookies more than once. Perhaps we are talking about different times? ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/110 "2009-01-14T19:16:26Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I’m also concerned that \*\*Hal \*\*had no votes whatsoever until late in Day 4 when he started taking excessive heat. Your choice – no vote or uninformed vote. I hadn’t been following the game closely enough – that much has been made completely clear. Now I _am_ following along closely. Not saying you have to instantly forgive sins of the past, but hanging on to them when “lynch the lurker” is no longer a valid reason? Not the best play. It’s fine if you want to hang it on me for voting **Cookies** , but she simply read as the most suspicious to me. There was a hell of a lot of info to take in, so you better believe I skimmed at times (errr…we _are_ done with the skim=scum fallacy, right?). I missed that **NAF** was going to investigate her, and when I realized it, I unvoted her. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/111 "2009-01-14T19:16:52Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > **Natlaw** , I don’t think I’m mistaken. NAF didn’t want to see Cookies lynched. Not because he had already investigated her and knew she was town, but because he had planned to investigate her. And, since Cookies vouched for Total Lost, he could essentially get two confirmed townies for the price of one investigation. > > Maybe I am getting a bit mixed up here, but that’s how I remember it going down. I had voted and unvoted Cookies more than once. Perhaps we are talking about different times? … my entire point was that you voted, unvoted, revoted and again unvoted **Cookies**. The threads are still there, here is some motivation to go check :rolleyes: **unvote Nanook** **vote brewha** Yes, I thought the mistake was town, but why not do a simple check? My **Nanook** vote was a prod for him to vote, he can get it back if he doesn’t come back and vote. But at the moment you need more prodding. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/112 "2009-01-14T19:25:14Z")
Vote Hal Briston Why? I have not seen him take an accountable stance toward anything. I’ve gotten some flack today because of the acusations I’ve made and for some of the votes I’ve cast and retracted. Although everthing I did had a purely protown motive, as new facts came to light, some of my actions come across as potentially scummy. I can see that, and I am happy to explain why I did the thing I’ve done. Hal, OTOH, has nothing to explain. It appears that he has cast one vote - for a person who didn’t get lynched. Accountable? He doesn’t have to be. I can’t find anything in his past posts that could potentially come back to bite him in the ass? He’s playing it safe - too safe if you ask me. And, I want to clarify that this is not simply LTL. He has been participating, but still playing it extremely safe. **Natlaw** , careful. Your eyes might get stuck like that. Between 6:30AM and 5:00PM my actual job takes precedence. I’m not going to go combing through old posts unneccisarily. But, yes that does give me motivation. I’ll be back with the order of events and explain why I did what I did. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/113 "2009-01-14T19:32:31Z")
> [@amrussell](#): > > Clearly, this comes after \*\*Peeker’s \*\*slip/confession. Later on, \*\*brewha \*\*follows up his giant WTF with a vote: > The key point here is that there isn’t an immediate switch of votes. \*\*brewha \*\*first unvotes \*\*Cookies \*\*while expressing suspicion of peeker, but only votes for peeker later on (after \*\*Nanook \*\*has made the first vote). I don’t like the unvote. When \*\*brewha \*\*voted **Cookies** , he put her joint leader with dotchan on 2 votes. When he unvoted, \*\*dotchan \*\*was on 4 and \*\*Hawkeyeop \*\*was on 3, and no-one else was following on **Cookies**. It smacks of someone abandoning an unpopular candidate. The hesitation in voting peeker also seems a bit odd. At first he was unsure if \*\*peeker \*\*was a Vig or SK - after \*\*Nanook \*\*voted, he jumped in. It looks like someone waiting for a bit of cover for a possible anti-town vote. I’ve got pretty huge problems with this. AMRussell, you’ve got a distinct tendency to vilify a person for one behavior, then turn around and smudge someone with the exact opposite accusation. Earlier, you made an accusation that someone voted too hastily. Now, you’re accusing brewha based on being too cautious to vote? I don’t think your analysis of the timing here holds any water at all. Enough time passed between his unvote for Cookies and his vote for Peeker that I’m perfectly willing to believe that he re-read and decided that a vote was in order. I’d normally consider is scummier to hop immediately from wagon to wagon. > [@](#): > > This is pure scum thinking. Not only is brewha acting like there are only two candidates, he’s also betraying a desire to align with town. Being dead hadn’t made Hawkeye right. This willingness to stop thinking and side with the known town player shows more concern with looking good than finding scum. This is totally unwarranted. Nothing brewha said indicates that he’s planning to stop thinking, only that he’s prepared to give weight to the opinions of known town. Which makes sense, because then you can deal with their logic without having to stress about motivation. The biggest problem I have with brewha as mafia is that he’d have to have been willing to bus macey day one. That was a wagon that started strong and never let up. It’s not impossible, of course, but I’m extending him some townie cred for it. I’d need to see something an order of magnitude stronger than what you’ve got. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/114 "2009-01-14T19:39:35Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > Your choice – no vote or uninformed vote. I hadn’t been following the game closely enough – that much has been made completely clear. Now I _am_ following along closely. Not saying you have to instantly forgive sins of the past, but hanging on to them when “lynch the lurker” is no longer a valid reason? Not the best play. It’s fine if you want to hang it on me for voting **Cookies** , but she simply read as the most suspicious to me. There was a hell of a lot of info to take in, so you better believe I skimmed at times (errr…we _are_ done with the skim=scum fallacy, right?). I missed that **NAF** was going to investigate her, and when I realized it, I unvoted her. re-read [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10678583&postcount=306) that was my reasoning for voting for you now. I only added your voting record as I noticed it. It obviously played no part in me keeping my vote on you. Are you still skimming? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/115 "2009-01-14T19:44:09Z")
[oog] **Macey**? where the hell is he? He’s gone off of facebook as well. I vaguely remember something about a vacation. Could he have realized it after signing up here and intentionally bussed himself to give cred to some players? [/oog] OK, that was way metagamey, but he does seem to have vanished completely. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/116 "2009-01-14T19:45:44Z")
> [@Millit\_the\_Frail](#): > > Then who would you vote for? Do it! At this point, we’re both in the pool of unknowns. There are a handful of scum in this pool. You couldn’t swing a dead cat around without grazing a scum in here. That’s a fair request. **Vote Hal** For the reasons I outlined earlier. > [@](#): > > Your most recent few posts are much more telling. You claim a boring role and then try to backpedal by saying you could be bored as a Doc or a Mason. I think you were trying to cover up the fact that you were practically screaming vanilla there. The way I see it, boredom or ennui does not at all preclude your being a scum. It would be super easy for a scum to get bored, IMHO–because you don’t actually have to pay much attention to the game. And your sly insinuation that you’re vanilla supports my theory. Your very last post shows a little promise, so I’ll be checking back in. Let me be clear on something, because I don’t want there to be any misunderstandings later. I am not claiming anything, I have not claimed anything, and until something changes(such as a group decision that it is time for a mass claim) I will not be claiming anything. **You** might think I was screaming vanilla there, but that was not what I was saying and not my attention. For the record, I’ve played vanilla scum before, and I completely disagree with your assessment of it. Not paying much attention the game is a recipe for failure for a scum. The game I played as scum was possibly the one game I paid more attention to than any other than my first. > [@Natlaw](#): > > You didn’t react to that, so I’ll assume the entire post was just written as game play. Um, what? I thought my first post was pretty clear in which part was regarding the game itself and which was regarding my lack of playing so far. > [@](#): > > Yes, lynching town by town gives us no information, I doubt scum will be making weak cases now that attract attention. But are you really saying in the second part that lynching scum now is bad, because town gains little information from it? So we should just lynch some town and look back later for scum tells? Well, since you claimed town and killing you isn’t game breaking, you make an excellent candidate, no? Am I really that hard to understand? I didn’t say killing scum was bad. I said that killing a lurker scum doesn’t help set up the long game. Let me ask you a question. Other than having a dead scum, which is clearly a good thing, what did our Day 1 lynch of Macey provide us in terms of long term information? ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/117 "2009-01-14T19:49:51Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > … my entire point was that you voted, unvoted, revoted and again unvoted **Cookies**. The threads are still there, here is some motivation to go check. [First Vote](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10626411&postcount=60) Because of Macey defense [First Unvote](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10629568&postcount=117) After Cookies explained the points I questioned her about. [2nd Vote](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10646437&postcount=89) OK, this is where I get the order of events confused. For that I apologize. You see, (and it is mention in the above post) I thought that the differences between Hawkeye and Cookies had been resolved until Hawkeye came out and encouraged Cookies votes. I was corrected later, it was the argument between JSexton and Hawkeye that was chalked up to differences in play style. So, now knowing that Hawkeye wanted to see Cookies strung up, I re-voted her. [2nd Unvote](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10652517&postcount=146) Because Cookies posted her role PM. About her “nugget” There’s the correct order and my thinking. What can I say, I was wrong purely do to laziness. That’ll be the last time I assume I am remembering correctly. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/118 "2009-01-14T20:13:18Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > I’d normally consider is scummier to hop immediately from wagon to wagon. I’ve noticed this too, so I went back to check. Vote per day/night cycle from Amrussell Day 1 Peekercpa Rapier42 Day2 Dotchan Day3 Diggit Chucara Blam Day 4 Special Ed Rapier42 Hal Briston Day 5 Hockey Monkey Brewha So 11 votes in 5 days/nights including 10 different targets. That seems pretty all over the place to me. With no one at more than 3 or 4 votes, this is the type of day that scum can manipulate easily. I think it would be a good time for the 4 mostly confirmed townies to come to a consensus. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/119 "2009-01-14T20:28:51Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > Um, what? I thought my first post was pretty clear in which part was regarding the game itself and which was regarding my lack of playing so far. It wasn’t clear to me and said it was confusing in the post you responded to. You didn’t clarify it, so I assumed the wrong thing (the first paragraph was all game, while for you it was all meta). > [@](#): > > Am I really that hard to understand? I didn’t say killing scum was bad. I said that killing a lurker scum doesn’t help set up the long game. Let me ask you a question. Other than having a dead scum, which is clearly a good thing, what did our Day 1 lynch of Macey provide us in terms of long term information? About the same information as in the case were we lynched a town I think: we can look at the people who pushed, defended or ignored the lynch. But you weren’t [talking](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10688788&postcount=84) about macey, but whether we should lynch you now. And you say it doesn’t matter if you town or scum, we don’t gain much information because you lurked and didn’t leave any leads. So I read the unwritten conclusion that in either case lynching you is not the best option. And yes it either lynch or not lynch, I translated that as bad or good. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/120 "2009-01-14T20:43:48Z")
Ok, that puts me two votes in the lead with a couple of hours left. I’ll be running a training class in a few minutes, and likely won’t be back until the Day is over. So… My apologies to the town – if I’ve learned anything from this game, it’s never think “Ok, I’ll sign up even though I’ll be away for 12 days near the beginning of the game – I’ll just catch up later”. No, I won’t…there was just too much there for me to every recover from. So, sorry to drag this one down. My suspicions remain on **MHaye** , and **Nanook** could easily be scum as well, with his easy nail in my coffin. Of course, with the voting so spread out, there’s every chance that everyone calling for my blood is innocent. Now then…_\_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855.md?page=7)