# Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FIVE **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 12, 2009, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855 "2009-01-12T01:11:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/141 "2009-01-14T22:18:04Z")
Natlaw has some errors of fact in his post. > [@Natlaw](#): > > It looks like MHaye was going to vote **Hal** , but saw special ed and me talking about a tie (which was wrong because I counted wrong, it was 6-5, not 5-5 when MHaye voted). My vote post in Day 4 is [post=10672934]post D04.236[/post]I maintain my own vote spreadsheet. _I_ had the vote tied between BlaM and Hal. This was because of the record-keeping error referred to in [post=10684386D05.068[/post]. The error was that I had failed to record _your_ vote against BlaM, and had not then traced the discrepancy. > [@](#): > > -he counted wrong too > -thought Hal might be scum and that special ed thought so too. special ed [didn’t think](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10672889&postcount=232) [Hal was Deadite](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10672902&postcount=233) though. > -he didn’t have time to look for support Hal was scum, but he was originally voting Hal to give BlaM an extra Day to prove himself town. > -He wants to let BlaM live till tomorrow by voting Hal, but that would only work if they were already at a tie. If he believed that, than special eds vote put BlaM in the lead. So if scum he wanted to PFK to live (bigger chance to hurt town than scum), but didn’t want to create a tie to draw attention and thus voted BlaM. If town, he was just posting in a hurry and made mistakes. Natlaw. if you’d read my Day 5 post you quoted, you’d see that you’ve made a couple of errors. Firstly, as I said, I thought the vote by Special Ed _created_ the tie, Secondly, my original draft terminated with a vote _for BlaM_. Special Ed’s vote, made with twelve minutes left in the Day, was what sparked the consideration of voting for Hal. As I started to look into it I realised that there was insufficient evidence to support the case (basically the case against Hal is “He’s a lurker” and I don’'t think that’s a good reason to vote anyone until you’ve eliminated all or most of the alternatives) so I squelched it and pasted the original analysis in again. On preview : I see that votes are piling up on me. I’ll go get my role pm. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/142 "2009-01-14T22:21:09Z")
Sorry about that [not being here for day’s end]–I keep forgetting I’m on mountain time. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/143 "2009-01-14T22:22:42Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Sorry about that [not being here for day’s end]–I keep forgetting I’m on mountain time. Never mind. I’m going to wait and see what MHaye’s role PM says before weighing in again. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/144 "2009-01-14T22:25:50Z")
That makes it **MHaye** 8 - **Hal** 3 with 14 out of 17 votes cast. Not voted yet **MHaye** , **JSexton** and **Rapier42** (no posts Today). Ok, the plan to let confirmed block vote is turning out in a vote like the confirmed anyway. I don’t like it :(. On preview: let’s see what MHaye claims. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/145 "2009-01-14T22:29:53Z")
I’m just worried that this last minute flurry is precipitated by scum trying to get the pressure off of Hal. It’s just been in the last couple of hours that the vote has swung dramatically. This seem off to anyone else? If MHaye swings and turns out to be town, I’ll be looking very close at those who changed their votes at the last minute. I just feel like we’re being herded here. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/146 "2009-01-14T22:31:24Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > That makes it **MHaye** 8 - **Hal** 3 with 14 out of 17 votes cast. > Not voted yet **MHaye** , **JSexton** and **Rapier42** (no posts Today). > > Ok, the plan to let confirmed block vote is turning out in a vote like the confirmed anyway. I don’t like it :(. > > On preview: let’s see what MHaye claims. You don’t like it? Well I hate it ☹ I should have been to bed an hour ago - and here I am waiting to see if I made a mistake worse then my no-vote YesterDay… ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/147 "2009-01-14T22:32:13Z")
The people chalking up their votes to the will of the block are being herded, and two of the block shifted quite recently. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/148 "2009-01-14T22:32:26Z")
Here it is folks. > [@storyteller0910](#): > > Welcome to the game; you are the **Questionable Hillbilly** > > **ALIGNMENT:** Town > **GENERIC:** Special > **WIN CONDITION:** All Deadites have been vanquished. > > **BACKGROUND:** > > Other guys come onscreen to the raging brass of John Williams, or, perhaps, if they’ve got a particularly handsome visage, a nice groovy '70s beat. You get dueling banjos. Other guys are missing their lost love, or their Amulet of Infinite Kickassery. You’re missing most of your teeth. You run a gas station, or maybe a seedy hotel, and you smell of rye and tobacco. When the kids who are the heroes of the story encounter you early in the film, you supply the inappropriate remarks, vaguely threatening countenance, and slobbery leers that drive them into the creepy cabin in the first place. > > But you know what else you have? A great big damn shotgun. S-mart’s top of the line - double-barreled Remington; cobalt blue steel; hair trigger. And a conscience. You’re the dummy who creeps into the woods after the kids, hoping to save them from their own recklessness. And, you know, to peek at some of the prettier cheerleaders while they’re showering. Hey, I said you have a conscience, not that you’re dead. > > So lock and load, Bobby Jim Bob, and try not to drip tobacco on the floor. > > **POWERS:** > > 1. Your shotgun contains a total of two shells. If you are ever attacked by Night, you will fire off one of these shells to defend yourself, frightening off your attacker. If you are forced to defend yourself twice in this way, the second time you will be shooting to kill. If you’re attacked and out of shells… well, maybe they’ll serve Everclear in Paradise. > > 2. If you’re feeling adventurous, you can choose to use your shotgun in other ways. You can target another player and stand guard over them with your weapon; if they are attacked, you’ll use your shotgun to fend off their attacker as described above. Note that Power #1 is an automatic power, triggered by an attack; if you’re standing guard over someone and both you and they are attacked, you’ll take care of yourself first, and your charge if you have ammo left. At this point it might be better to keep quiet about just who (if anyone) I’ve been protecting. I will say that neither I nor my charges have not yet been attacked. I’ll be around for the rest of the Day to answer questions. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/149 "2009-01-14T22:33:16Z")
My vote shifted recently, but I called Mhaye out on my short list this Morning. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/150 "2009-01-14T22:36:30Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > I’m just worried that this last minute flurry is precipitated by scum trying to get the pressure off of Hal. It’s just been in the last couple of hours that the vote has swung dramatically. This seem off to anyone else? > > If MHaye swings and turns out to be town, I’ll be looking very close at those who changed their votes at the last minute. > > I just feel like we’re being herded here. I think you might be wrong… Let’s say both MHaye and Hal _are_ Town: You have just given scum a real good reason for leaving the Mhaye-lynch for now… and not only that - you have also given scum a good lynch-candidate for toMorrow! I don’t like the 2-candidate-theory! And to me you seem very fond of it… ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/151 "2009-01-14T22:37:12Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > I will say that neither I nor my charges have not yet been attacked. Typo alert. The above sentence should read “I will say that neither I nor my charges have yet been attacked.” ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/152 "2009-01-14T22:38:03Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > I will say that neither I nor my charges have not yet been attacked. > > I’ll be around for the rest of the Day to answer questions. You have a double negative there. If you meant to say that neither you or your charge(s) have been attacked, then I don’t see the harm in telling us who those targets were. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/153 "2009-01-14T22:38:44Z")
**Unvote Mhaye** Back to my gut telling me that the most scummy is **brewha** ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/154 "2009-01-14T22:41:07Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > **Unvote Mhaye** > > Back to my gut telling me that the most scummy is > > **brewha** Sorry - I meant to say \*\* Vote brewha\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/155 "2009-01-14T22:44:30Z")
That seems…really powerful. A 2x strongman? Plus martyr abilities? Hmm… ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/156 "2009-01-14T22:45:49Z")
My PM genera is “Vanilla”. Can one of the Mason’s please chime in? I’m assuming your genera was “Mason”, but it would be nice to know if it was instead “Special”. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/157 "2009-01-14T22:47:33Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > I think you might be wrong… > > Let’s say both MHaye and Hal _are_ Town: > You have just given scum a real good reason for leaving the Mhaye-lynch for now… and not only that - you have also given scum a good lynch-candidate for toMorrow! > > I don’t like the 2-candidate-theory! And to me you seem very fond of it… So Hal takes a significant lead, the vote swings dramatically towards Mhaye in a short period of time, and that makes me fond of the 2 candidate theory? I fail to follow your reasoning. I was commenting on how rapidly the vote leader changed. I’m really not sure how that gives scum reasons or lynch candidates. You’ve really lost me. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/158 "2009-01-14T22:48:22Z")
The real question is, does his role in any way explain his actions? My answer? Yes. There has been a history of power roles lurking to avoid suspicion, though it seems to be a recent trend. And since MHaye is protected at night, it makes perfect since for him to do everything possible to keep himself from getting lynched. Given what happened to macey, I’m fairly certain scum don’t have pre-prepped power roles, and a scum strongman (of the Scottish variety) would be powerful enough, especially since we have already seen a scum strongman (of the lethal variety). It explains a lot. Enough to move my vote Unvote MHaye back to Vote Almost Human And as for lots of vote-changing: I don’t really think that’s a scum tell, since I do it all the time. But I’m biased on that topic. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/159 "2009-01-14T22:50:01Z")
Some quick thoughts because I’m getting pulled into a meeting. I’m not inclined to move my vote at this time. brewha’s most recent statement bugs me, but that’s steeped in wifom as to whether he might be trying to divert to a Non-Mhaye target, or he’s trying to make a credibility deposit that will mature upon a townie Mhaye’s death reveal. The double shotgun does strike me as quite powerful, and I still don’t see why Mhaye didn’t just tell us his targets if no one was attacked. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/160 "2009-01-14T22:53:38Z")
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