# Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FIVE **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 12, 2009, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855 "2009-01-12T01:11:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 121
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/121 "2009-01-14T20:45:29Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > I’ve got pretty huge problems with this. AMRussell, you’ve got a distinct tendency to vilify a person for one behavior, then turn around and smudge someone with the exact opposite accusation. Earlier, you made an accusation that someone voted too hastily. Now, you’re accusing brewha based on being too cautious to vote? I don’t think your analysis of the timing here holds any water at all. Enough time passed between his unvote for Cookies and his vote for Peeker that I’m perfectly willing to believe that he re-read and decided that a vote was in order. I’d normally consider is scummier to hop immediately from wagon to wagon. There’s a certain justice in that perception. What I’m doing is reading over someone and asking myself, “Is what they’ve done consistent with their being scum?” If I find something that isn’t - for example, **special ed** crafting \*\*DiggitCamara’\*\*s question for TF, which was expected to reveal a new scum - then I consider them more likely to be townie. If I ever find something that’s just obviously scum, then I’ll make a song and dance about it. Usually, I find some stuff that could be scum motivated. And then I point it out, challenge them on it and see what they say. The basic idea is to start with the hypothesis that someone is scum and try to falsify it. Because there’s no such thing as scum behaviour, I do end up finding apparently contradictory behaviours scummy. But that’s bound to happen. Remember the whole discussion about “scum would never do that”? If I suspect \*\*Rapier42 \*\*for repeatedly being on bandwagons, it doesn’t mean that I can’t suspect \*\*Nanook \*\*for lurking, or you for being on one and then failing to vote for two straight Days. > [@](#): > > The biggest problem I have with brewha as mafia is that he’d have to have been willing to bus macey day one. That was a wagon that started strong and never let up. It’s not impossible, of course, but I’m extending him some townie cred for it. I’d need to see something an order of magnitude stronger than what you’ve got. **brewha** ’s vote for \*\*macey \*\*is a big point in his favour. But there are two points to make against it. 1) The whole point of bussing is to make big points in your favour. 2) \*\*brewha \*\*voted early (possibly first, IIRC) and, as you say that wagon started strong and never let up. Enough people got into suspicion over saying they wouldn’t vote - what would have happened to an unvoter? > [@JSexton](#): > > This is totally unwarranted. Nothing brewha said indicates that he’s planning to stop thinking, only that he’s prepared to give weight to the opinions of known town. Which makes sense, because then you can deal with their logic without having to stress about motivation. > [@brewha](#): > > How am I acting like there are only two candidates? Please tell me how you see that. > > Listening to NAF or listening to Hawkeye meant that I would either vote for Cookies or I wouldn’t. It’s this bit, right here. You’re acting like it’s a choice between following \*\*NAF \*\*or following **Hawkeye**. It’s not about that. It’s about you using your own judgement to vote for whoever is scummiest. Pretending that you’re choosing between two sides is abdicating responsibility. Backing the known townie - and claiming that as your justification - makes you look like you want to look good. On preview: again, this bit: > [@](#): > > So, now knowing that Hawkeye wanted to see Cookies strung up, I re-voted her. What?! He’s dead town, he’s not the God-Emperor reborn. Why were you so quick to follow what the one active known townie wanted? --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855)._