# Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FOUR **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 6, 2009, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155 "2009-01-06T23:54:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/261 "2009-01-10T01:24:39Z")
Nice! That “bad” comment sealed his fate in my mind, but I didn’t have a chance to get back in and change my vote once I’d thought about it for a minute. I know that either NAF or myself will have to die or some other confirmation will have to come up in order for any of you to truly trust that I’m town and Total Lost is not a Deadite, but BLaM coming up as a PFK takes a good bit of the potetial PFK heat off of Total Lost, I think. She could be some flavor of non-deadite scum, but there is no direct evidence for such a thing existing. She has been awfully quiet for the last couple of real days though, and had no vote this last time around. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/262 "2009-01-10T01:29:55Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Nice! That “bad” comment sealed his fate in my mind, but I didn’t have a chance to get back in and change my vote once I’d thought about it for a minute. > > I know that either NAF or myself will have to die or some other confirmation will have to come up in order for any of you to truly trust that I’m town and Total Lost is not a Deadite, but BLaM coming up as a PFK takes a good bit of the potetial PFK heat off of Total Lost, I think. > > She could be some flavor of non-deadite scum, but there is no direct evidence for such a thing existing. She has been awfully quiet for the last couple of real days though, and had no vote this last time around. Yeah, I’m a lot less worried about Total Lost now that we’ve accounted for both the SKs. Still could be some sort of nondeadite Deadite, but that’s a much smaller chance in my mind. However, we still have to evaluate behavior, and the way she disappeared when heeat moved off her is a little worrisome. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/263 "2009-01-10T01:51:09Z")
Sorry about trying to steal your thunder, Natlaw. I totally didn’t see that you had already posted about that same statement until re-reading the last few pages just now. ---
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/264 "2009-01-10T01:52:49Z")
Me catching up, a dramatization in smilies: :dubious: :o :eek: 😃 I’m so glad this went the right way! As I was reading through just now, I wavered on my feelings about **Blaster** , but I don’t think my vote would have changed, simply because of his reluctance to share more of his role PM. I just couldn’t buy that any additional damage to town would be done by sharing it, if he had been town. So yay, go us! BTW, I can’t BELIEVE whomever called him as Freddy Krueger. Amazing. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/265 "2009-01-10T01:53:52Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > power? > -So probably Total Lost is not Deatite (or PFK since two died and pedescribe’s role PM suggested two) Unless the 2 referred to in pede’s PM are 2 killers and we have other non-killing PFKs. I’m not sure how likely, but still possible. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/266 "2009-01-10T02:05:18Z")
I’m still trying to wrap my head around all this. Well played Town. I’d like to think that if I’d had a decent amount of time after work to read through all that, that I would have come to some brilliant insight, but I doubt it. Now I understand **peeker** giving himself up. Maybe they got points for killing scum and lost points for Town. Or maybe they each gained/lost points for alpha and beta status or some such. He may have wanted to go out while positive. In thinking about the Scum move tonight. If **NAF** is truthful, hopefully, we’ve WiFoM’d them for a change. They could (1)try to take **NAF** out, (2) hunt for the doctor, or (3) try to take out **cookies**. (1) Runs the risk of losing their kill to protection, (2) runs the risk of hitting vanilla, (3) runs seems to run little risk, but does avoid them any chance of hitting a useful Town, if **cookies** ’ assessment of her role as Vanilla is accurate. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/267 "2009-01-10T02:13:01Z")
Naf: Can you choose another statement from me to verify? ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/268 "2009-01-10T02:17:34Z")
I quoted my PM. He can verify my genera statement. If the scum want to come after me, my death and/or NAF’s results and/or death would verify that the scum indeed been duped into potentially taking out only a Vanilla by trying to kill me. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/269 "2009-01-10T02:18:42Z")
That’s kinda confusing me upon re-read, but I’m trying to allow for other killing agents that may or may not target NAF who are other than scum. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/270 "2009-01-10T02:19:46Z")
So the question is, can we believe Freddie when he says that dotchan is Vanilla Alpha? Storyteller didn’t seem to indicate that Freddie had an inventoresque role. So was he using a watch role first night and an investigate role second night? Or did his kills just fail three nights in a row, for three different reasons? > [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Naf: Can you choose another statement from me to verify? Eh? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/271 "2009-01-10T02:21:55Z")
I disagree, cookies. NAF already said that you are town, so there’s no reason for you to have lied in your PM. The truth (or lack of it) will be determined when NAF dies. Why would NAF waste another night looking into you when he could just look at other players? ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/272 "2009-01-10T02:28:52Z")
Fair enough. You’re right. I don’t need to hog him. And I’ve always said he should do what he wants. Reading my PM again, I’m reminded that what I know about Total Lost means that she is at worst, not a factor in the town win condition. Ergo, I’m implicitly trusting her at this point. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/273 "2009-01-10T02:30:55Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > So the question is, can we believe Freddie when he says that dotchan is Vanilla Alpha? Storyteller didn’t seem to indicate that Freddie had an inventoresque role. So was he using a watch role first night and an investigate role second night? Or did his kills just fail three nights in a row, for three different reasons? I think other reasons might be at play. Perhaps there was a doctor protection on pede that prevented his kill. Maybe he targetted someone already targetted. Perhaps he can’t kill alphas and only betas. I would guess he had multiple ways to kill. Maybe different ways of killing worked on different types of players, and he had to figure out which was which. Who really knows at this point, but he’s dead. and he was PFK, I suggest we just ignore whatever he told us ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/274 "2009-01-10T02:32:43Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I I suggest we just ignore whatever he told us Even the part where he claims the action that prompted the dream I experienced ? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/275 "2009-01-10T02:38:28Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Even the part where he claims the action that prompted the dream I experienced ? I think we can just count ourselves lucky (when we confirm you) that he failed. Do you think there’s more useful information in there? I don’t trust anything he said about **dotchan** or **pede** though. I just don’t think we’ll ever know if he was being honest about the rest of what he said or now. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/276 "2009-01-10T02:53:39Z")
I suppose I’m just wary of someone coming in and counter-claiming that they were actually the ones who interacted with me last night, unless it is to acknowledge protecting me, which I wouldn’t want them to admit to. I see not compelling reason whatsoever not to at least believe that he did indeed cause me to dream. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/277 "2009-01-10T02:57:34Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > I suppose I’m just wary of someone coming in and counter-claiming that they were actually the ones who interacted with me last night, unless it is to acknowledge protecting me, which I wouldn’t want them to admit to. > > I see not compelling reason whatsoever not to at least believe that he did indeed cause me to dream. OK, I agree with that. My point was that I don’t see the point in analyzing the truth/reliability of his statements about **pede** and **dotchan**. ---
**Author:** ![dotchan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@dotchan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dotchan)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/278 "2009-01-10T03:08:11Z")
Oh, ha ha, NAF. You’re so funny I forgot to laugh. A little bit of history in case you guys didn’t know: Idle Thoughts pulled a similar fake out on us in Asylum Lane (the game where I first demonstrated my shiny distracting ass dance :D) when Blaster Master was lynched on Day Six, when the Town was at Lynch or Lose. The post can be read [here](http://psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=asylumlane&action=display&thread=67&page=6#5767). Kind of sucks that I’m still not confirmed, but hey, we got a PFK! Huzzah! This puts a whole lot of WiFoM on 2nd place vote getter Hal Briston. Time to play the “but would scum do something that obvious” game again! ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/279 "2009-01-10T03:13:27Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Total Lost - Not a Deadite\* > Cookies - Ash\* > > \*NAF confirmed. Do with that what you will. **NAF** , I’m not sure that is can help, but would you be willing to share the contents of your PMs verifying **cookies**? ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/280 "2009-01-10T03:57:05Z")
Noooooooooo!!! So, the dude that referred to me as ‘B-flap’ is gonna win now. No matter what? Noooooooooo!!! Other than than, Nice! Good work guys. And, holy shit Amrussel! Where did the Freddy K. thing come from? That is pretty much spectacular. I hereby name you king of the woods. I will subscribe to your newsletter. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155.md?page=15)