# Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FOUR **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 6, 2009, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155 "2009-01-06T23:54:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/301 "2009-01-11T02:26:35Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > You’re kinda making me glad we didn’t have some sort of clandestine hand-off between you and BLaM there, pede. > > And I mean that in a “I-think-you’re-on-my-side-but-I-would-find-anyone-else-to-carry-any-explosives-because-you-might-innocently-trip-over-something-and-blow-us-all-up” kind of way. …yeah, it hasn’t been my best game. ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/302 "2009-01-11T02:35:18Z")
Hi, all. I’m on vacation. I expected to be able to check regularly, but my laptop has decided to crap out. At this point, I’ll only be able to check in when I have downtime and somebody elses PC available, and I can’t guarantee when that will happen, if at all. I should be back next weekend, Monday (on my work computer) at the absolute latest. Story, if you need to sub me out or MK or whatever, I’ll be sad, but I’ll understand. I don’t have my bookmarks, so if somebody could crosspost this to the current game on the offboard, I’ll be eternally grateful. Sorry, all. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/303 "2009-01-11T03:05:18Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Oh. ☹ > > Well, now that the cat’s out of the bag, I’ll have you know that I am the Sorority Treasurer, and my power is that I can slip up the records and move one of my fellow masons’ votes to someone else. I haven’t used this power because I’m not very arrogant. > > I’d post my role PM, but it wouldn’t really help anything. I’m tempted to vote for **Pleo** because you’ve claimed his role. Only, he’s still dead, as far as I can tell. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/304 "2009-01-11T03:40:44Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I’m tempted to vote for **Pleo** because you’ve claimed his role. > > Only, he’s still dead, as far as I can tell. :smack: That should be Secretary. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/305 "2009-01-11T16:35:18Z")
> [@Good twins/Evil twins](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-twins-evil-twins/480584/34): > > There was Good Ash / Bad Ash in _Army of Darkness_, and Thaddeus Ghostal and his sociopath twin brother Chad Ghostal on _Space Ghost Coast to Coast_. But it’s hard to call either one of the Ghostal brothers good. So there is evidence for an evil Ash! ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/306 "2009-01-11T16:51:14Z")
It’s quiet…too quiet So, I’m guessing \*\*Hal \*\*is our vote leader. This started as a LTL thing, right? I know I’m voting for him, though that was in a mistaken attempt to save \*\*Blam \*\*for a Day. In re-reading **Hal** ’s posts (that didn’t take too long) I’m most struck by his vote for \*\*Cookies \*\*in post 4.167. Here is that post (bleached): > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by Hockey Monkey View Post > > The lurkiest of the lurks on there im my opinion is Hal Briston. I want to hear more from Hal. > > And so you shall…(hey, four days worth of catching up takes time). > > First off, my claim: I am vanilla town. > > Now, although the case against BLaM is understandable, I don’t buy it – especially in light of his most recent PM quotes. They simply ring true to me – very much unlike the ones Cookies posted regarding Total Lost. Capitalization aside, that entire paragraph just does not fit in the least bit to me. But what really raises my eyebrows against her is this post, in which she confirms her dream. In on portion of that post, she states she’s doubtful that BLaM is scum, yet in another she says: > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies View Post > > Yes, BLaM himself could be the hideously evil and scaly one, or one of his scummy brethren. > > The whole “one of his scummy brethren” bit just reeks. In one part, he’s probably not scum. Yet by saying “his scummy brethren”, you’re stating that he is scum. Uh-uh…don’t like it. > > Vote ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies > > And on preview – hey, good job starting a bandwagon rolling! They’re always so telling, aren’t they? If \*\*Hal \*\*IS Scum, this is a pretty safe vote. He could assume that \*\*Blam \*\*would come up town. (2 SKs was a stretch for many of us to believe.) In this post, he’s voting cookies for a contradiction that really isn’t there. \*\*Cookies \*\*has basically stated that she believes that \*\*Blam \*\*is Town, but that he “could be the hideously evil and scaly one, or one of his scummy brethren.” A perfectly valid assumption for a Town player to make. \*\*Hal \*\*then accuses her of not only being contradictory, but also starting a bandwagon. It strikes me as possible Scum motivation to start the suspicion on another lynch candidate for toMorrow, should \*\*Blam \*\*come back Town. Unfortunately for **Hal** , \*\*Blam \*\*came back PFK. Here is \*\*Cookies \*\*entire post, so that it’s not taken out of context. I think my interpretation, that \*\*Cookies \*\*was saying she thinks \*\*Blam \*\*is town, but could be wrong is the correct one. I also thinks it’s obvious even upon first read. I think \*\*Hal \*\*has intentionally spliced it to make her seem wishy-washy. I’m not buying it. My vote stays for now.: > [@](#): > > I can confirm that someone felt me up last Night: > > > [@](#): > > > > Your dreams were strange and fitful last Night. They were filled with visions of a being who looked just like you, only hideous, scaly, and very, very evil. You awoke with a start in the Night, certain that this doppleganger is among your enemies. You feel a strange connection to this being. > > I’m inclined to give BLaM the benefit of the doubt for now, and unless someone steps up to say that they targeted me in some way, I’m inclined to believe that BLaM did indeed target me with some sort of power. Yes, BLaM himself could be the hideously evil and scaly one, or one of his scummy brethren. BUT…I don’t think a scummy BLaM would’ve done an about face on his vote for me like that. I think it would’ve been relatively easy for a scummy BLaM to catalyze a sizable bandwagon against me toDay, and he chose not to take that route, ergo I don’t think he’s scum. I’m not convinced that he’s not scum, just doubtful. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/307 "2009-01-11T17:34:37Z")
Yeah, quite quiet because of the weekend I guess. I think **Hal** s bandwagon comments refers to **amrussell** s placing the second vote on him in [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10670088&postcount=164) a couple before Hals. Like the none voters I’m looking at, there aren’t that many posts to build a picture of. The only thing that stood out so far was **Nanook** s promise to adapt to the short Days, but that obviously hasn’t happened. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/308 "2009-01-11T17:37:43Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > So there is evidence for an evil Ash! Pede, for the love of Og, I hope you’re not going to be using this in some sort of confirmation bias as to my alignment being not-town. And the phrase you’re looking for is, I believe “a possible color-related precedent”. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/309 "2009-01-11T17:40:44Z")
I honestly don’t know what Hal was referring to with his bandwagon comment. Perhaps he’ll grace us with more of an explanation. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/310 "2009-01-11T18:47:29Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Pede, for the love of Og, I hope you’re not going to be using this in some sort of confirmation bias as to my alignment being not-town. And the phrase you’re looking for is, I believe “a possible color-related precedent”. Nonono, I’m going to believe NAF until I have reason not to. :shrugs: Also, I forgot: Unvote Hal Four days in and it’s _still_ disconcerting to not have the votes disappear. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/311 "2009-01-11T18:49:03Z")
My vote count Yesterday was really mixed up, I have the vote order for **Hal** s mixed up, the correct vote order: **Hal Briston** (5): Cookies, amrussell, pedescribe, Blaster Master, special ed So Cookies placed the first vote on him and his comment about to bandwagon does refer to Cookies. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/312 "2009-01-11T19:53:29Z")
I have only read yesterDay twice and I’m still not sure what to make of it. Only one stood out and that was **Brewha**. Not to say he is as scummy as can be, but because the way all post seems to be either “I agree” or “I look into that”. 9 post in all (so not a lurker) - some were fluff and some were “NETA” (what does NETA meens anyway???) First one of the Day > [@brewha](#): > > Aw crap, we lost another investigator? > > At least we know DiggitCamara was town. I’m off to do a re-read with that in mind. See if there are any scummy reactions to his reveal or his posts in general. As I said not scummy - only we never hear what **Brewha** got from the re-read. Then > [@brewha](#): > > I’ll be honest. I’d be happy to string up Cookies. Between her dispute with you and defense of Macey, I think she is the most potentially scummy. > > But, I’m willing to play along with NAF’s strategy for now. > > We NAF does get off’d, we will be able to lynch Cookies with confidence or put her on the definitely town list. I’m willing to wait - but not more than a couple of days. Again not really scummy - but still - not really saying anything that had not already been said by others… When \*\*NAF \*\*point out that **Natlaw** post about the WC of town being different from the WC of **Natlaw** but not the WC in the thread **Brewha** says: > [@brewha](#): > > Good Catch there **NAF**! > > Looks like Natlaw as a little too eager to pat himself on the back for his (and his fellow scum’s) choice of kill. > > That one post is not enough to warrant a vote from me yet, but I’m going to go back through Natlaw’s other posts. We got what? About 30 hours to vote? Only to return with a > [@brewha](#): > > OK, **Natlaw** ’s post about the scum picking a good target was pretty much the scummiest thing that he has said. I really looked all while trying to keep my confirmation bias in check. There were a few things here and there that could have been scummy, but only if I was under the impression that he was scum. Those things could just as easily have been town. I’ll be keeping an eye on **Natlaw** , but there’s nothing to base a vote on yet. > > As for **Blam**. No activity for days on end. Finally get a post from him that pretty much says, " don’t vote for me cause I got majiks that I won’t tell you about." > > Sounds like scum trying to stall to me. > > Vote Blaster Master And that is what’s really odd to me. Because I read this as: 1. Natlaw’s post about the scum picking a good target _ **was pretty much the scummiest thing that he has said** _ - does this mean that the “good catch” is now a “no catch”? To me this seems like a safe way to get off Natlaw but still with a smudge. The post was the _scummiest_ he had made - making sure the might still be scummy things found in **Natlaw** ’s posts. 2)“There were a few things here and there that could have been scummy, but only if I was under the impression that he was scum” - but why say “Good Catch” and go re-read if NOT under the assumption that he might be scum? What part of his post convinced you he was not - and why not share this info with the rest of us? After this a vote for **Blam** and a lot of post where he states that **Blam** didn’t say “I’m town” and the part of “goes without saying”. I know it’s not much to go on but I get a feeling of someone playing safe. Doing a lot of “me too” and “might be scummy, if something comes up I’ll vote” and “I will re-read but never really say what I found”. Not scummy in one post but to me it seems like a style that went on through the Day. For now (to get a vote on record - because I’m still SO embarrassed I didn’t vote yesterDay) I’ll **Brewha** ---
**Author:** ![dotchan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@dotchan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dotchan)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/313 "2009-01-11T21:30:46Z")
NETA = Not Edited To Add, since editing is a no-no. For other Mafia terms we like to throw around in the games, see [this helpful glossary](http://wiki.flyingcowofdoom.com/mafiaWiki/Glossary). ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/314 "2009-01-11T21:36:08Z")
> [@dotchan](#): > > NETA = Not Edited To Add, since editing is a no-no. > > For other Mafia terms we like to throw around in the games, see [this helpful glossary](http://wiki.flyingcowofdoom.com/mafiaWiki/Glossary). Thanks 🙂 I still hope my FOP (Finger of Pleasure) will make it on the list one day - but for now I’m really grateful for the link 😉 ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/315 "2009-01-11T22:51:49Z")
**Total Lost** , I did a reread knowing that Diggit was town. It didn’t make a difference. I found nothing new. I’m not sure what your definition of fluff is, but me coming in and telling everyone that I found nothing is pretty much fluff. If I had found something based on that reread, I would have posted it. My comment on Cookies? I made a case against Cookies on one of the first days. I haven’t been hiding my suspicion of her. The only reason I’m not voting for her currently is that NAF wants to do his investigation. I’m not jumping on others’ reasoning. Then there’s this: > [@](#): > > When NAF point out that Natlaw post about the WC of town being different from the WC of Natlaw but not the WC in the thread Brewha says: Um, what? 😕 When I said: > [@](#): > > Good Catch there NAF! > > Looks like Natlaw as a little too eager to pat himself on the back for his (and his fellow scum’s) choice of kill. > > That one post is not enough to warrant a vote from me yet, but I’m going to go back through Natlaw’s other posts. We got what? About 30 hours to vote? I was reffering to Natlaw’s comment that Hawkeye was a good target for the scum to choose. It had nothing to do with win conditions. I went back and did a re-read because, while I found that comment scummy, I didn’t think it was enough to warrant a vote. My subsequent read found nothing else to support a Natlaw vote so I came back and said so. I think you’re confused on this point. What post convinced me that Natlaw was not scum? None in particular. But, here’s the thing. I wasn’t convinced that Natlaw was scum. I read his comment as a posibble scum slip, but it could have just as easily been a townie comment. I did a re-read to see if I could find other scum tells and really didn’t find anything. I didn’t do the re-read trying to prove that a scummy Natlaw was town. I was trying to prove that an unknown Natlaw was scum. I’m not saying that he’s not scum, I just don’t have anything to prove that he is. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/316 "2009-01-11T23:32:08Z")
Brewha: Naf completed his investigation of me, and I came back town. Does that change anything or am I looking forward to a vote from you? ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/317 "2009-01-11T23:41:41Z")
Cookies, like I’ve said before, it changes nothing until NAF dies. Just because he says you’re town doesn’t mean that I believe him. The plan is for him to confirm as many people as possible, then allow himself to be vigged. At that point, if he is who he says he is, yes it will change my view of you. Right now? No, it means nothing. ---
**Author:** ![dotchan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@dotchan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dotchan)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/318 "2009-01-11T23:48:03Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > I still hope my FOP (Finger of Pleasure) will make it on the list one day - but for now I’m really grateful for the link 😉 Well, the wiki is open for anyone to edit, so you can add it yourself if you want. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/319 "2009-01-11T23:50:14Z")
Ok, so if not for the plan involving NAF, you’d be voting for me, but since there is a plan involving confirming NAF and all of the various things that he’s tried to verify…who are you going to be voting for between now and whenever NAF dies? ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2009, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/320 "2009-01-12T00:02:50Z")
Last shot across your bow, brewha, promise… Nothing that I’ve said or done, at all, since Day 1 has impacted your analysis? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155.md?page=17)