# Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FOUR **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 6, 2009, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155 "2009-01-06T23:54:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/41 "2009-01-07T21:12:30Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Agreed. Though I think that the vig is the better option. We are ahead by a little bit right now in terms of caught vs. mislynches, I would rather not lose the initiative by wasting a lynch on a lurker. So it would be nice to have BlaM vigged or\*\* even better subbed or mod killed\*\*. I won’t tell the vig what to do though, since I get yelled at for leading the town around by the nose. If _you_ think he’s town, why not investigate him? If he’s just going to be around, not doing much or giving us anything to discuss re: his alignment, maybe we want him as part of the masonry. As it is, he stands to get lynched for nothing–wasting a lynch on a lurker (unless he does turn up scum). That kind of sucks for us if he’s town. If we confirm him, good, and we can forget about him and quit having the lurker discussion; if he’s scum, we lynch him straight up. Personally, I’m not so sure he’s town–the way he came out of the woodwork to vote for **peeker** upon his very PFK-ish reveal is kind of scummy. He was the dreaded third vote, too! 😉 **Dotchan** was at 4 and **Hawkeye** at 3 votes at the time. Maybe he’s scum trying really, really hard not to leave a record of his thoughts or make a slip. Has he made slips in the past as scum? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/42 "2009-01-07T21:20:05Z")
> [@Millit\_the\_Frail](#): > > If _you_ think he’s town, why not investigate him? He never claimed anything. I can’t. ---
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/43 "2009-01-07T21:25:54Z")
Arrrgh. I just re-read my post. Sorry to sound confrontational there **NAF** –I guess I still don’t understand how you’ve picked your targets and feel you should be investigating scummy players. But it’s not my power role. I want to trust you but don’t see how this tactic is more useful to us. It would be what I would do if I were scum making a false claim–keep finding townies instead of looking for scum. And you could be psuedo-attacking him here to throw us off his nasty Deadite scent. You’re desperate to get him modkilled, and we may not even have a Vig… BTW, what do you think about the other lurkers– **Hal** and \*\*zeriel \*\*come to mind. **Hal** said he’d be back by now. Neither have voted at all. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/44 "2009-01-07T21:40:24Z")
Ok, several things. 1)I firmly believe that it is better for investigators to confirm town than catch scum. Catching scum is towns job, not the cops. The more confirmed townies you have the faster you can catch scum. It is like drawing a trap in on them, and the beauty is, if you do it well you don’t have to hide it. 2)I picked my targets because of their relative value to town vs. their negative value to scum. The scum gave us a freebee by killing Hawk. It was bad play on their part. Once he is confirmed all the vanilla townie is (besides being part of a trap) is a shiney worry and distraction for scum. We lose little if the scum kill them, and the trap just gets tighter. If they kill outside them they tighten the trap on themselves. Again, win win for town. 1. If there is a time when it seems like we are better served by me investigating someone scummy than by me investigating someone who isn’t, I will be willing to listen to opposing arguments. But really we haven’t gotten to that point yet. If someone is so scummy that I should investigate them, why not lynch them? If there are two people who are equally scummy, why not lynch and vig? If there are three people, then sure maybe me investigating is the way to go. We can cross that bridge when we come to it. At the moment I don’t it seems likely. 4)4 I prefer modkill to lynching or vigging (and substitution to either) because it helps town most. We only get 1 lynch and 1 vig per Day/Night. Scum isn’t going to kill BlaM. So I would rather have the mod do it and we still get to use our vig or lynch. We don’t lose our initiative on taking care of BlaM. Sadly, even if he is 100% confirmed town, JSexton is right, if he can’t vote in endgame he doesn’t do us any good. But I can’t confirm him anyway since he never claimed. 1. If we don’t have a vig then I will be very surprised. It would mean that scum took 2 kills on Night 1. That is possible, but it’s bad play. And to not have a vig when we are facing 5 scum with a bonus kill, an SK and at least 1 other third party element…and aproximately 10 of our townies were vanilla to start with… We better have a vig of some flavor or Story and I are going to have words after the game is over. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/45 "2009-01-07T21:41:29Z")
Oh and, Hal bothers me, but Zeriel is claimed Vanilla town. I am not worried about Z right now. ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/46 "2009-01-07T21:45:52Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > You’re missing **Zeriel** and **Hal Briston** not voting Day Three. I tried to do some analysis but didn’t get much except for the none voters you mention (plus Zeriel). I think scum wouldn’t go bandwagon each day, but a town doesn’t have to either. I don’t think these three days have enough votes to see patterns in it, just use someone’s votes to support a case. Thats interesting that you don’t see anything in there, because I certainly do… Pleo looks very fishy to me (argued against Macey lynch, voted Thingfish at a critical point). And doubly interesting, considering that you yourself voted for Peeker while the Macey lynch was still in doubt. > [@](#): > > Not much according to my notes, I got some extra minor things. I have pedescribe as confirmed because **Pleonast** (a mason) called for masons to counter-claim if he was lying (unless **Story** made pedescribe some sort of traitor mason). So move knows thing from pedescribe to claims if you think that :). Hows that, now? Who is a mason? Did I miss something? **Vote NatLaw** ---
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/47 "2009-01-07T21:49:15Z")
> [@Rapier42](#): > > Thats interesting that you don’t see anything in there, because I certainly do… Pleo looks very fishy to me (argued against Macey lynch, voted Thingfish at a critical point). And doubly interesting, considering that you yourself voted for Peeker while the Macey lynch was still in doubt. > > Hows that, now? Who is a mason? Did I miss something? > > **Vote NatLaw** \*\*Pleonast \*\*was a Mason. We found out when he was killed. ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/48 "2009-01-07T21:53:16Z")
Regarding Pleo - the thing keeping me from voting him is that he claimed he’d be moving his vote from JSexton to Thing Fish before the Macey train started rolling. Were he lacking that touch of plausible deniability, I’d be on him like Santo on a co-ed. ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/49 "2009-01-07T21:54:35Z")
> [@Millit\_the\_Frail](#): > > \*\*Pleonast \*\*was a Mason. We found out when he was killed. ??? When did this happen, and why was my office not informed? **unvote Natlaw** _skulks off to check he’s playing in the right game_ ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/50 "2009-01-07T22:23:59Z")
Open of Day One, vote count, with added color! :smack: pedescribe (1) – Pleonast Pleonast (1) – Natlaw D1.3, Jsexton votes Pleonast D1.35, Pleonast unvotes Pedescribe D1.62, Almost Human votes Pedescribe D1.70, Natlaw unvotes Pleonast D1.71, Bufftabby votes Pedescribe D1.78, Hawkeye votes Pedescribe D1.80, Thing Fish votes Pleonast D1.83, Diggit votes Pedescribe D1.87, Storyteller posts a vote count: pedescribe (4) - Almost Human, bufftabby, hawkeyeop, diggitcamara Pleonast (2) - JSexton, Thing Fish D1.90, Cookies votes for JSexton D1.102, Total Lost votes for Thing Fish D1.104, Special Ed votes for Thing Fish D1.112, Special Ed unvotes Thing Fish D1.113, Hockey Monkey votes JSexton D1.114, Pedescribe votes Thing Fish D1.120, Diggit unvotes Pedescribe D1.121, Almost Human unvotes Pedescribe D1.124, Natlaw votes for Diggit D1.125, amrussell votes for Peeker D1.129, Storyteller vote count: pedescribe (2) - bufftabby, hawkeyeop Pleonast (2) - JSexton, Thing Fish JSexton (2) - CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, Hockey Monkey Thing Fish (2) - Total Lost, pedescribe Diggitcamara (1) - Natlaw peekercpa (1) - amrussell D1.130, Brewha votes Macey D1.131, Hawkeye unvotes Pedescribe and votes Macey D1.132, Bufftabby unvotes Pedescribe D1.137, Hockey Monkey unvotes Jsexton and votes Macey D1.140, Special Ed votes Macey My vote count: Macey (4) - Brewha, Hawkeye, Hockey Monkey, Special Ed Pleonast (2) - JSexton, Thing Fish JSexton (1) - CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies Thing Fish (2) - Total Lost, Pedescribe Diggitcamara (1) - Natlaw Peekercpa (1) - amrussell D1.150, NAF votes Chucara D1.158, Bufftabby votes Cookies D1.174, Dotchan votes Macey D1.176, Pleonast votes JSexton D1.177, JSexton unvotes Pleonast, votes Macey D1.187, Peeker votes Thing Fish D1.188, Pleonast unvotes JSexton and votes Thing Fish My vote count: Macey (6) - Brewha, Hawkeye, Hockey Monkey, Special Ed, Dotchan, JSexton Thing Fish (4) - Total Lost, Pedescribe, Peeker, Pleonast Pleonast (1) - Thing Fish JSexton (1) - Cookies Diggitcamara (1) - Natlaw Peekercpa (1) - amrussell Chucara (1) - NAF Cookies (1) - Bufftabby D1.189, Diggit votes for Chucara D1.190, Cookies unvotes JSexton and votes Blam D1.191, Pedescribe unvotes Thing Fish and votes Macey D1.193, amrussell unvotes Peeker and votes Rapier D1.194, Natlaw unvotes Diggit and votes Peeker D1.196, Chucara votes Thing Fish D1.206, Storytellers vote count: macey (7) - brewha, hawkeyeop, hockey monkey, special ed, dotchan, JSexton, pedescribe Thing Fish (4) - total lost, peekercpa, Pleonast, Chucara Chucara (2) - NAF1138, Diggitcamara Pleonast (1) - Thing Fish peekercpa (1) - Natlaw CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (1) - bufftabby Blaster Master (1) - CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies Rapier42 (1) - amrussell D1.208, Almost Human votes Millet the Frail D1.209, Rapier votes Macey D1.210, Millet the Frail votes Macey D1.222, Almost Human unvotes Millet the Frail * * * There. Oh, and in case anybody missed it, Pleo is dead… ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/51 "2009-01-07T22:33:53Z")
> [@Rapier42](#): > > Regarding Pleo - the thing keeping me from voting him is that he claimed he’d be moving his vote from JSexton to Thing Fish before the Macey train started rolling. Were he lacking that touch of plausible deniability, I’d be on him like Santo on a co-ed. that’s odd, What stops me from voting for **pleo** is that he’s already dead. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/52 "2009-01-07T22:35:12Z")
> [@amrussell](#): > > Summary: > Overall, I’m leaning town. There’s maybe a slight tendency to get more involved in tactical discussions rather than hunting scum, but he does appear to be looking for the town advantage. More to the point, there are actions that are difficult to see as scum-motivated - specifically, producing the DC question and highlighting the risk of scum bumping off NAF’s good guys. I hope you lean enough to unvote me eventually 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/53 "2009-01-07T22:37:34Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > that’s odd, What stops me from voting for **pleo** is that he’s already dead. Are you there **Pleo**? It’s me, **Millit**. I think we’ve gotten it through his head. But the question remains: how scummy is it to forget a dead Mason? 🆒 Just messing with you, **Rapier**. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/54 "2009-01-07T22:55:51Z")
> [@Rapier42](#): > > Oh, and in case anybody missed it, Pleo is dead… Oops. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2009, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/55 "2009-01-07T23:16:15Z")
Apologies to all for inactivity today. I have a job interview scheduled for 10:30 tomorrow morning, and I haven’t been able to concentrate on the game today. Wish me luck, and I’ll see you all in the middle of tomorrow afternoon. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/56 "2009-01-08T00:25:12Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Ok, several things. > > 1)I firmly believe that it is better for investigators to confirm town than catch scum. Catching scum is towns job, not the cops. The more confirmed townies you have the faster you can catch scum. It is like drawing a trap in on them, and the beauty is, if you do it well you don’t have to hide it. I agree with this, with the caveat that the cop should focus on lynchable players. THe idea is that you reduce the pool of lynchable players to just scum. > [@](#): > > 4)4 I prefer modkill to lynching or vigging (and substitution to either) because it helps town most. We only get 1 lynch and 1 vig per Day/Night. Scum isn’t going to kill BlaM. So I would rather have the mod do it and we still get to use our vig or lynch. We don’t lose our initiative on taking care of BlaM. Sadly, even if he is 100% confirmed town, JSexton is right, if he can’t vote in endgame he doesn’t do us any good. But I can’t confirm him anyway since he never claimed. But as a I said before, the mod isn’t telling us what he plans to do. By this time toMorrow, if Blam is still in the game, then I don’t think the mod plans to do anything, and it’s up to us, using our limited tools. > [@](#): > > 1. If we don’t have a vig then I will be very surprised. It would mean that scum took 2 kills on Night 1. That is possible, but it’s bad play. And to not have a vig when we are facing 5 scum with a bonus kill, an SK and at least 1 other third party element…and aproximately 10 of our townies were vanilla to start with… Here’s what I’m thinking. Some mechanics seem to be based on in-thread actions. You can only investigate statements made. The apparent vig kill may have been based on votes. Diggit got to talk to dead players, and was answered in-thread. It’s possible that the vig has restrictions on what happens here; if so, Blam may be untouchable if he doesn’t post. > [@Rapier42](#): > > Thats interesting that you don’t see anything in there, because I certainly do… Pleo looks very fishy to me (argued against Macey lynch, voted Thingfish at a critical point). And doubly interesting, considering that you yourself voted for Peeker while the Macey lynch was still in doubt. How do you do detailed vote analysis, yet miss Pleo’s death and role? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/57 "2009-01-08T00:47:55Z")
We had 3 deaths to start Day 2. **Thing Fish** , **Bufftabby** , and **Pleonast**. The start of Day 3, and Day 4 had only one death We know know that **Thing Fish** investigated **Bufftabby**. Could that have been the cause of the 2 deaths? > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT TWO](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/1): > > THING FISH, the Religious Figure Having a Crisis of Faith, a Pro-Town Investigator, has combusted. > > _PLEONAST screams again, looks up. BUFFTABBY has been transfixed to the wall of the garage, impaled through the chest with a piece of rebar. Her head slumps low. On her forehead is a bright red handprint. Suddenly, she looks up, still pinned to the wall by the rebar._ > > BUFFTABBY > (Demonically) > I’ll swallow your souls!!! Uh… would somebody let me down? > > BUFFTABBY, the Skanky Vampire Demon, a Scum Roleblocker, is about as dead as MACEY. perhaps **Thing Fish** , as a religious Figure, and \*\*Bufftabby \*\*as a vampire somehow killed each other due to the investigation. and maybe **Pleo** was the Scum kill? I’m not sure where I’m going with this. It doesn’t really alter our strategy only to suggest that maybe we don’t have a Night Vote based Vig or SK, and maybe we don’t have a Vig or SK. Or maybe a protector of sorts has gotten lucky the past 2 Nights? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/58 "2009-01-08T00:49:47Z")
Peeker was the SK, remember? ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/59 "2009-01-08T00:51:38Z")
Speaking for myself, that is certainly a possibility that I’ve been carrying around since reading storyteller’s post, and I believe it was discussed already once. Wasn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/60 "2009-01-08T00:52:41Z")
NETA “that” being that maybe Thing Fish’s investigation killed them both. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155.md?page=4)