# Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FOUR **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 6, 2009, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155 "2009-01-06T23:54:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/81 "2009-01-08T20:17:03Z")
**Blaster,** Based on your powers/any other info you happen to possess, do you have an opinion on \*\*Naf’s \*\*claim? ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/82 "2009-01-08T20:24:42Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > I can’t help but be sympathetic on the Pleo issue, given what happened to me in Marvel. Doesn’t give you a pass for the other stuff, though. Thats a very vague post, Zeriel. I can’t defend myself against “other stuff”, would you be more explicit, please? Perhaps address where my defense to amrussells case is lacking? Or is the “other stuff” something else, that nobody has mentioned yet? ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/83 "2009-01-08T20:26:05Z")
That’s a conveniently vague magic bag you’ve got there, BLaM. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/84 "2009-01-08T20:40:18Z")
Blam-o, good to see you. Are you town? If you are then I don’t need to investigate Dot and will look at Zeriel next. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/85 "2009-01-08T20:52:26Z")
Evening all. Sorry for my silence the last day or so. I got through the interview ok-ish. I should hear whether I got the job on Monday. Right now, I’m trying to make sense of what happened while I was distracted. Which necessitates… a reread. (What else?) See you soon. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/86 "2009-01-08T20:55:12Z")
> [@Rapier42](#): > > Thats a very vague post, Zeriel. I can’t defend myself against “other stuff”, would you be more explicit, please? Perhaps address where my defense to amrussells case is lacking? Or is the “other stuff” something else, that nobody has mentioned yet? I’ve got not feelings about you either way, just expressing situational sympathy without hugs. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/87 "2009-01-08T20:56:23Z")
Also, what Cookies said. Nice bag, Blam. Not changing my vote yet. ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/88 "2009-01-08T21:13:37Z")
> [@Rapier42](#): > > Thats a very vague post, Zeriel. I can’t defend myself against “other stuff”, would you be more explicit, please? Perhaps address where my defense to amrussells case is lacking? Or is the “other stuff” something else, that nobody has mentioned yet? This was, perhaps, snippy. I apologise. I’m stuck in an awkward situation, here. My memory did me a dirty, and it’s directly attributable to my failure to pay attention like I should have been. I’ve got no defense for that, and it’s a mark against me that I’ll have to carry for the rest of the game. Having said that, I maintain that the rest of the case against me, in its entirety, is weak sauce. So, knowing that I am Town, I have two realistic responses. I can lay low, and hope the wind blows elsewhere, or I can defend aggressively, and if I go down, I’ll know that I attempted to pick up as much of my own slack as possible. I’m going to attempt to do the latter. I suspect that some scum will attempt to distort the case against against me and blow it out of proportion, and others will wave it away, if some haven’t done some of both already… _shrug_ I dunno. But I’ve decided that a vigorous defense will afford me the greatest chance of not being lynched, and will afford Town the most information upon my demise, whether that happens sooner or later. So, Zeriel, I’m going to be paying special attention to anyone that appears to be egging on my lynch with vague statements like the one you made above. I believe I’ve refuted every point made against me so far, except the skimming, so if you’re going to reference those points, I think it’s incumbent on you to be specific and enumerate where you feel my defense is lacking. To do otherwise is, ah… scummy. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/89 "2009-01-08T21:17:42Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > I’ve got not feelings about you either way, just expressing situational sympathy without hugs. 🆒 Well, ok. Seeing as how I was the scum advocating against your lynch when you made a similiar mistake :D, I hope you can see why I’m concerned about scum weighing in on either side of this debate in a bid for Town cred. This whole debacle of mine is low-hanging fruit, to be sure. So, humor me, if you don’t mind… what “other stuff” do I not get a pass on, please? ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/90 "2009-01-08T21:20:54Z")
And, if I may be allowed to weigh in on matters besides my own self, color me profoundly uncomfortable with Blams softclaim. I hate softclaims with a passion, and to have one elicited by vote pressure is even worse. Blam, have you considered that your attempts to vary your personal strategy may be anti-Town? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/91 "2009-01-08T21:28:46Z")
I don’t know that his changing playstyle is anti-town per se. His chosen playstlye at the moment is though. BlaM is still online. If he is unwilling to state his townieness he will be getting a vote from me. I will give him a few hours before I make the change. There is little that I like about how he has chosen to play, and if he is unwilling to have me investigate him then I am unwilling to keep him in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/92 "2009-01-08T21:38:13Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > **Blaster,** > > Based on your powers/any other info you happen to possess, do you have an opinion on \*\*Naf’s \*\*claim? At this point, I do not have any information pertaining to **NAF** and his claim. > [@NAF1138](#): > > Blam-o, good to see you. > > Are you town? > > If you are then I don’t need to investigate Dot and will look at Zeriel next. Since this is related, I will also address this in one of my rare multi-point posts. My towniness goes without saying. And, in fact, I’d hoped that you may have considered investigating me at an earlier point, but it is unfortunate that you did not. ---
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/93 "2009-01-08T21:38:52Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I think that confidence makes me more attractive to the opposite sex and makes people of the same sex like me more. Try it, it works like gangbusters. 😛 **NAF** , I never noticed how funny and/or smart you are… …oh, wait–nevermind :smack: Anyway, I mentioned being suspicious of Blaster in one of my last posts, and I still am. I am also confident that Cookies is not scum. What do I get from this recent, totally weird reveal? A whole lot of no-good-whatever. **Vote Blaster Master** (Off to the dentist now! Fun fun fun.) ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/94 "2009-01-08T21:47:23Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > Yes, it is time for a change of strategy. I’d hoped that the events as they laid out would make my motivation clear, and it seems that it is partially transparent, but some incorrect conclusions have been reached. Further, my strategy to this point has simply not been working as I’d expected because, while I’ve gained potentially useful information as a result, the situation would be better if they’d gone as I’d hoped. So, now, I’ll try to head off some of the points that I’m sure people want answered: > > Why haven’t I been posting? This is a two-fold answer. First, as I’ve said many times before, I put forth deliberate effort to make changes in my style from game to game. I don’t want to be an active scum in one game and then be active in the next and be pointed out as one. After evaluating the direction that I wanted to take my style, combined with the role I received this time, I decided that I wanted to try a less direct approach, which would necessarily result in a lower post count. The problem is, this was interupted by a few things, one out of game thing (ie, not being at work when the game started) as well as some in game complications, and I was unfortunately forced to lay low to avoid any correlation between my actions and my presence. As such, the largest factor in my lack of posting is, plain and simple, that it is an artifact of a series of unfortunate complications. However, as noted, the strategy that I was implementing is not seeming to work, so I won’t be doing that anymore. > > So what was my strategy? It’s similar to one I’ve employed before, but in a completely opposing manner. By laying low, it is impossible for scum to assess how dangerous I am to them. This means that they leave me alive as lynch fodder. Similarly, by lurking, I avoid the “lynch the loud” attention that I have often gotten, allowing me to avoid general town suspicion and, thus, resulting in me having to make an inconvenient role claim. This has allowed me to pay close attentions to what’s been going on and make appropriate judgments for how to best utilize my role. > > And, as I’ve spoken, I will not be explaining the mechanics of my role, nor will I make any sort of claim. I will, however, provide the information that I have that is useful. > > First, I can reasonably confirm that **Dotchan** is indeed an Alpha Redshirt. The information I have about her strongly implies that that is her role. > > Second, I am reasonably sure that **Cookies** is lying about her role. The information I have about her is inconsistent with her role claim. I expect someone will want me to expand on that, but it would necessitate me ellaborating on the mechanics of my role, so I am loathe to do that at this time. > > I have one other piece of information; however, while it is potentially useful in confirming my thruthfulness, I think it will generally be much more useful to scum, so I will not be sharing that information at this time either. > > So, I figure there are other questions, and I may have to end up ellaborating anyway, but, well, whatever… > Also, because I’m reasonably sure that **Cookies** is lying, she is the most reasonable person on whom to place my vote: > > Vote **Cookies** > On Preview, I see that I completely neglected to address why I jumped on **Peeker**. Sadly, it’s pretty simple. The fact that he had made his mistake before I posted was, in fact, purely a coincidence as I was going to be posting at the time anyway; this I already stated. The fact that it was the topic du jour is the reason that I was on top of it. Otherwise, I would have spent those posts with another topic. I don’t trust cookies…but I don’t trust you either. For now, I will Unvote Blaster Master. A vote that will return 9:30 tomorrow unless you elaborate on your 3 magic bags. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/95 "2009-01-08T21:48:28Z")
EBWOP: Actually, you don’t have to elaborate on all three of them. However, I will vote unless you elaborate on cookies, and maybe on yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/96 "2009-01-08T21:51:34Z")
> [@Rapier42](#): > > And, if I may be allowed to weigh in on matters besides my own self, color me profoundly uncomfortable with Blams softclaim. I hate softclaims with a passion, and to have one elicited by vote pressure is even worse. It’s fairly simple. I have potentially valuable information, but the manner in which I have obtained it is in an indirect method. If I can provide the information without providing the mechanics of how I obtained it, then the scum will remain uncertain as to how to deal with me. Further, I am prepared to provide more information but, like I said, I do not think it would be prudent to do so. I have done the best I can to outline the motivation for my behavior without giving away information that I feel would be to the detriment of the town. Of course, you’re free to think otherwise, and I expect you will, as you don’t have the information that I do. > [@](#): > > Blam, have you considered that your attempts to vary your personal strategy may be anti-Town? I disagree. What if I had come in here posting very much like I did in SDMB game. People would grow suspicious of me simply because of that. Regardless of what my actual role is, maintaining that playstyle would be antithetical to victory. As I said, I had a gameplan that I felt would work. I don’t see how that could remotely be pointed as anything other than completely irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/97 "2009-01-08T21:55:39Z")
Well, voting Blaster Master did get him out in the open, but I’ll look at that later since I got me first ever mafia vote ( **Rapier42** ’s one didn’t count imo :). I can see **NAF** s case leads Rapier and **brewha** to want to look at my posts again, but **Cookies** is already happy to lynch me? > [@NAF1138](#): > > [QUOTE=NAF1138] > 2)I picked my targets because of their relative value to town vs. their negative value to scum. The scum gave us a freebee by killing Hawk. It was bad play on their part. Once he is confirmed all the vanilla townie is (besides being part of a trap) is a shiney worry and distraction for scum. We lose little if the scum kill them, and the trap just gets tighter. If they kill outside them they tighten the trap on themselves. Again, win win for town. [QUOTE=Natlaw] I don’t see this: a living confirmed town and another dead town killed by scum reduces the pool to hide in more. Scum will kill a townie each Night and killing a confirmed town is better. Good play on their part. Also no one knew Hawk was vanilla until he was dead (nor would he be confirmed until you are). Scum knew Hawk was town though, so if you are town they killed a confirmed. If you are scum, they gave minor credit to your claim by being right about Hawk. [/QUOTE] Two problems with this quote: 1. You are advocating removing a potential town player from the game over having that player remain in the game but be taken out of the lynch pool. The lynch pool is the same size either way, but if we don’t lynch that person we have an extra town vote. [/QUOTE] I’m not advocating anything, I’m explaining why I think scum killed Hawk. I’ll try to clarify: -Each Night scum kills one town (or pfk). This reduces the living players by one. The scum hide under the living players. So this reduces the pool of players to hide in by one. -By investigating someone as town (confirming if we confirm you), we reduce the pool scum can hide in by one. -So each Day/Night cycle, if we confirm a living town and scum kills an unconfirmed not-scum, the hide pool reduces by two. -If the scum kill the confirmed townie, the pool only reduces by one (town ‘lost’ the investigation, scum a possible chance to kill a power role). Now I see my post gets a bit confusing, because my last two sentence I was thinking why **DiggitCamara** was a good scum target. -scum knew he was not scum, so most likely his power claim true (could be pfk) -the knocks would pretty much confirm his powers -so by killing Diggit they got a power role who was about to confirm himself. -because Diggit was not yet confirmed the Night he was killed, he was most likely not protected by the doctor. > [@](#): > > 1. You made a point to say that the scum played well. > > Full disclosure, I said they played badly. In the bit Natlaw quoted, and really, they did. Killing Hawk was sub optimal. It wasn’t a bad choice per se, there were just better choices. But that isn’t the point. I don’t think anyone else would have even noticed if they weren’t scum. And if they did, why defend scum? I made that point because you made a point they made a bad kill with Hawk. In my opinion, it wasn’t (and others have mention this as a scum counter-strategy to your investigations). My paranoid interpretation is that you basically said ‘look at my Hawk investigate, tricked scum good there’ to get town credit with something that isn’t true. What were the better options? You or pedescribe with possible doctor protection, or trying for another power role in ~18 other players? > [@NAF1138](#): > > Also, this post from Day 3 makes all kinds of not sense. > > Nat was sure I was scum when his win condition didn’t match the public one? And then story posted about it? It’s a kinda meta game comment I shouldn’t have made, so I’ll be short. My role PM has a difference with the public one. I assumed all town PMs would have that difference, but yours didn’t. Storyteller confirmed it was my PM that had a mistake. Similar to Total Lost jumping on the no capital letters and being completely sure she found scum. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/98 "2009-01-08T21:59:46Z")
[QUOTE=NAF1138] Blam-o, good to see you. Are you town? If you are then I don’t need to investigate Dot and will look at Zeriel next. [/QUOTE] Probably this is again obvious to you again, but just to be sure: you’re ditching the two-for-one **Cookies** investigation for the three-for-one **Blaster Master** one (claims he has leads to **dotchan** s and **Cookies** ’ alignment)? > [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > My towniness goes without saying. And, in fact, I’d hoped that you may have considered investigating me at an earlier point, but it is unfortunate that you did not. I guess you’re still reading up? **NAF** isn’t a normal cop, he needs to have true/false statements like “I am town”. You haven’t made such a statement, so he couldn’t investigate). “My towniness goes without saying” will get an inconclusive result (or perhaps TRUE since it went without saying. Clever 🆒). ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/99 "2009-01-08T22:29:11Z")
OK, **Natlaw** ’s post about the scum picking a good target was pretty much the scummiest thing that he has said. I really looked all while trying to keep my confirmation bias in check. There were a few things here and there that could have been scummy, but only if I was under the impression that he was scum. Those things could just as easily have been town. I’ll be keeping an eye on **Natlaw** , but there’s nothing to base a vote on yet. As for **Blam**. No activity for days on end. Finally get a post from him that pretty much says, " don’t vote for me cause I got majiks that I won’t tell you about." Sounds like scum trying to stall to me. Vote Blaster Master ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/100 "2009-01-08T22:31:19Z")
NETA Yeah, Blam, read NAF’s question. You’re towiness certainly does not go without question. And that fact that you worded it like you did makes me even more suspicious. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155.md?page=6)