# Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT NINE **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 2, 2009, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-nine/484169 "2009-02-02T23:25:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-nine/484169/101 "2009-02-04T23:09:35Z")
The problem I have with this is, it’s a classic “don’t lynch me” defense. It provides a carrot and a stick. If we’re sure there’s one scum left, it won’t hurt to let him live one night, right? ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-nine/484169/102 "2009-02-04T23:12:55Z")
One wonders if the mostly-dead are in any way similiar to the zombies in Apocalypse, and if Brewha is about to spend them on something. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-nine/484169/103 "2009-02-04T23:27:07Z")
> [@Rapier42](#): > > One wonders if the mostly-dead are in any way similiar to the zombies in Apocalypse, and if Brewha is about to spend them on something. Elaborate? ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-nine/484169/104 "2009-02-04T23:32:59Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Elaborate? Sorry. Storyteller played a Necromancer role in Apocalypse, on the offboard site. He got to “raise” one dead player a Night, and got some basic powers based on the number of zombies he had. He was also able to sacrifice zombies in return for more powerful one-shot abilities. He was Town. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-nine/484169/105 "2009-02-05T01:03:54Z")
I have to keep reminding myself not to spam this board with useless off topic stuff. I haven’t voted yet. I’m curious why HM didn’t post a full role PM, and neither did brewha. ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-nine/484169/106 "2009-02-05T02:17:40Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I have to keep reminding myself not to spam this board with useless off topic stuff. > > I haven’t voted yet. I’m curious why HM didn’t post a full role PM, and neither did brewha. But you’re not curious why amrussell didn’t? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-nine/484169/107 "2009-02-05T02:19:09Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > Ok, so it has become painfully apparent that you guys think I’m scum. And, like I said, lynch away - you won’t hurt my feelings much. That is, as long as you manage to get the last scum and the win, since I too will win - even in death. > > But, I offer you a one time offer\*. For a low low price, I will vanquish 5 - Yes 5! of the 1/5th deadites for us. Why five and not 6? Well, I assume it’s because five- one fifth undead deadites = one undead deatite. And five one fifths of Maker’s Mark make for a great weekend! - Wait… Where was I? Oh yeah, the sales pitch. I will destroy 5 undead deadites for a low low price. That price you ask? Well, my life of course! > > But here’s the best part. You don’t have to believe me. You don’t have to unvote me. You need only sit there and wait! That’s right all of this great bargain for zero work! > > \*Offer not valid in Hawaii, Puerto Rico or Canada. Subject to tariffs if shipped to Kazakhstan. The wording “one time” actually means “two times”, but I’ll get to that later. > So what does all this mean? I’m a holy man. That’s all I’m willing to admit right now. For the price of the day’s lynch, I can vanquish 5/5 undead deadites. So, basically I can trade the life of a townie for the undead existence of scum. I was never sure enough that the person in line for the gallows was not indeed scum - at least not until now. > > 1. So, here’s our choices right now. I can let you guys lynch me. You can finish searching out the final deadite(s) and figure out what the undead deadites mean when the last regular deadite is strung up. If we are to believe Cookies, they count as deadites for the purpose of their wincon. > > 2. Everyone can unvote me and we can lynch someone else. I can use this power twice, and I’m will to listen to reasons I shouldn’t use it today. > > 3. Leave your votes on me and I take out the undead deadites… > 3a. Lynch me tomorrow - which will prove who I am but leave us open to another 5/5 undead deadite if we accumulate 4 more. > 3b. Lynch scum tomorrow and we will likely win. > > I was going to just trade my lynch for the vanquishing of undead deadites, but I thought it’d be fair to listen to others’ opinions. I will not believe you until you quote your role PM, and maybe not even then. Simply put, the Deadites have two options at this point (assuming they have no unrevealed cover PMs, which I think is a reasonable assumption at this point)–claim vanilla, or not quote your role PM. Some people have claimed vanilla. Fair enough–we can examine those tonight and tomorrow. But you knew if you claimed vanilla, we’d lynch you anyway. So that wasn’t an option to you. You’ve implied great powers without actually quoting Storyteller–you’ve claimed you’re willing to sacrifice yourself while you phrase your deal in such a way that it’d be better for town not to if you’re telling the truth. I don’t believe you, and I won’t even consider believing you until you quote your role PM. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-nine/484169/108 "2009-02-05T02:20:09Z")
> [@Rapier42](#): > > But you’re not curious why amrussell didn’t? Amrussell claimed vanilla. Any scum could easily fabricate a vanilla PM. It is odd, though, that HM didn’t quote her PM. I guess because she’s a mason…but still, you should. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-nine/484169/109 "2009-02-05T02:54:10Z")
> [@Rapier42](#): > > But you’re not curious why amrussell didn’t? no, anyone can copy/paste a vanilla PM. It’s the one with roles that I’m curious about. The more I think about it though, the more I’m bothered by **total** ’s PM. I understand it’s easy to attribute it to storytelloer0910, but why? Unless it’s off another thread, hit quote, replace another name with **story** ’s But, that’s far fetched I suppose. I guess that’s what ran through my mind when I first saw it. I’ve always been troubled by the **total lost** thing and how it plays into the game with **story** I’m putting that to the back of my mind though. Cookies was town and she wouldn’t have lied to us. And she would have let us know if it was more suspicious than it seemed. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-nine/484169/110 "2009-02-05T03:35:43Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Amrussell claimed vanilla. Any scum could easily fabricate a vanilla PM. > > It is odd, though, that HM didn’t quote her PM. I guess because she’s a mason…but still, you should. Seriously? :rolleyes: Whatever… Here it is: Welcome to the game; you are the Sorority Vice President ALIGNMENT: Town GENERIC: Mason WIN CONDITION: All Deadites have been vanquished. BACKGROUND: There is a group likes yours in every horror movie. There are three of you, and you always walk down the hallway in a row. You’re the Hot One, the second in command, the one who does the dirty work that the Queen Bee can’t do. You are the Vice President of Xeta Xeta Xeta. The sorority President planned this weeklong party, but you were responsible for doing the grunt work to get it off the ground. The party showed signs of being a smash hit, until the dying and the hideous complexions and the demons. Those bastards have no idea who they’re dealing with. POWERS: 1. Apart from your ongoing responsibility to set a good example to the teeming masses with your sense of style and razor wit, you are also confident that pedescribe, your President, and Pleonast, your Treasurer, are neither heinous Deadites nor working against the interests of the halfway decent people in attendance. Use this information as you will. You and your fellow XXX members practically speak your own language, (board info deleted). 1. You are unusually attractive in a physical sense, and not especially picky in your choice of mates. This fact may or may not come into play during the game, but it’s worth bearing in mind. ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-nine/484169/111 "2009-02-05T03:36:59Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > no, anyone can copy/paste a vanilla PM. It’s the one with roles that I’m curious about. > The more I think about it though, the more I’m bothered by **total** ’s PM. I understand it’s easy to attribute it to storytelloer0910, but why? > > Unless it’s off another thread, hit quote, replace another name with **story** ’s > But, that’s far fetched I suppose. I guess that’s what ran through my mind when I first saw it. I’ve always been troubled by the **total lost** thing and how it plays into the game with **story** > > I’m putting that to the back of my mind though. Cookies was town and she wouldn’t have lied to us. And she would have let us know if it was more suspicious than it seemed. Fair enough. All Cookies said about TL is that she wasn’t scum. She could be 3rd party, I s’pose, but if you think TL isn’t Town, then you don’t trust AH either, who has verified that her powers came active when TL said she lost hers. I’m curious why Zeriel is missing the “-------------” line, tho. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-nine/484169/112 "2009-02-05T04:03:13Z")
> [@Rapier42](#): > > Fair enough. > > All Cookies said about TL is that she wasn’t scum. She could be 3rd party, I s’pose, but if you think TL isn’t Town, then you don’t trust AH either, who has verified that her powers came active when TL said she lost hers. Yeah, I trust them as much as I can trust them. Like I said it seems too far fetched to worry about. > [@Rapier42](#): > > I’m curious why Zeriel is missing the “-------------” line, tho. I missed that. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-nine/484169/113 "2009-02-05T04:05:20Z")
Don’t worry. I’m not asking anyone to believe me toDay. And I’m not going to post my role PM toDay. I’m asking anyone to unvote me either. Hey, what the hell… Vote Brewha ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-nine/484169/114 "2009-02-05T04:27:15Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > Don’t worry. I’m not asking anyone to believe me toDay. And I’m not going to post my role PM toDay. > > I’m asking anyone to unvote me either. Hey, what the hell… > > Vote Brewha Why not? If you’re resigned to being voted out anyway, whats the harm? I pretty much think you don’t have role PM that says holy man. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-nine/484169/115 "2009-02-05T05:08:37Z")
Maybe he’s just rolling over. Hey brewha! Who wrote MHaye’s fake PM? ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-nine/484169/116 "2009-02-05T08:04:38Z")
The thing is, with brewha’s powers as stated, we don’t lose anything by lynching him. If he’s the final scum, yay. If he’s truly able to wipe out 5 mostly deadites in one shot, and no more than 5, then there will never be a better reason to lynch him. If we only had 4/5 of a deadite, then there’d be an argument to wait. But we’re at the maximum limit of his powers anyhow. I don’t see any gain for the town in not lynching him. ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-nine/484169/117 "2009-02-05T09:40:13Z")
Apologies if this posts twice. First one isn’t showing up but it could be the boards playing up. > [@Rapier42](#): > > Nope. > > This goes back to roadmaps again - if the scum thinks we’re certainly going to lynch whoever TL blocks if there’s no kill, then they won’t kill. > > I don’t think TL is important enough to us to lose you, AH. It’s your role to play, but I’d rather see you play chicken with the scum, and maybe force him/her to tag a mason or unconfirmed rather than risk knocking heads with you. You and Nanook make good points for and against. I think the best thing for me to do is to think about it, make up my mind and then not share what I’ve decided with anyone. > [@amrussell](#): > > The thing is, with brewha’s powers as stated, we don’t lose anything by lynching him. > > If he’s the final scum, yay. > If he’s truly able to wipe out 5 mostly deadites in one shot, and no more than 5, then there will never be a better reason to lynch him. If we only had 4/5 of a deadite, then there’d be an argument to wait. But we’re at the maximum limit of his powers anyhow. > > I don’t see any gain for the town in not lynching him. Agreed. And if it were impossible for us to win with any partially dead players left I doubt the only mechanism for getting rid of them would be a player who had to stay alive X number of Days and only use his power on a Day when town was going to be lynched. If I’ve understood his claim properly that’s pretty much what he’s saying. If he’s telling the truth then I doubt the partially dead players left can stop us winning unless there’s another way of getting rid of them we just haven’t figured out. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-nine/484169/118 "2009-02-05T09:50:28Z")
> [@amrussell](#): > > The thing is, with brewha’s powers as stated, we don’t lose anything by lynching him. > > If he’s the final scum, yay. > If he’s truly able to wipe out 5 mostly deadites in one shot, and no more than 5, then there will never be a better reason to lynch him. If we only had 4/5 of a deadite, then there’d be an argument to wait. But we’re at the maximum limit of his powers anyhow. > > I don’t see any gain for the town in not lynching him. I agree: **Vote Brewha** ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-nine/484169/119 "2009-02-05T15:00:09Z")
Well, that was the mass claim: \*\*Nanook \*\*- Beta Vanilla \*\*Total Lost \*\*- Virginal Beauty (role-blocker/doc) \*\*Amrussell \*\*- Alpha Vanilla \*\*Zeriel \*\*- Beta Vanilla \*\*Special Ed \*\*- Beta Vanilla **Rapier42** - Beta Vanilla \*\*Hockey Monkey \*\*- Mason \*\*Brewha \*\*- weird holy guy \*\*pedescribe \*\*- Mason \*\*Almost Human \*\*- Creepy Guy with Shovel (backup doc) ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-nine/484169/120 "2009-02-05T15:22:58Z")
Brewha obviously looks like the best lynch just based on that. Should that not end the game for whatever reason, then we’ll have to look at our many scoops of vanilla and work out which is the low-fat soy-based imposter. Ah, metaphors. Like luck, they don’t work so well when you push them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-nine/484169.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-nine/484169.md?page=7)