# Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT ONE **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 19, 2008, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854 "2008-12-19T03:11:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/201 "2008-12-23T13:17:10Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > I’m a him :). > Now I might be misreading **Chucara** ’s post, but how exactly am I misrepresenting it? > > _snip_ > > I read ‘that idea’ to mean the ‘reveal target’ plan, not the example mentioned, because in the second part of sentence part he wants to ‘try it’ (the plan, not the example). > If you think ‘that idea’ refers to the example, it makes no sense: Unless someone finds a flaw in the example (meaning the plan is good), I want to try the plan (which I said is flawed). > > Anyway, won’t be snipping mid quote anymore to avoid confusion, but I don’t think I misrepresented the post. Well, one of us is misreading Chuckie, then. Here’s the original post again, just for reference: > [@](#): > > And now I remember why I forgot the idea again. What about just revealing targets then? That would give nothing away and make it harder for scum to lie.. > > However even this is flawed (kinda).. Suppose a power role is forced to claim (or be lynched).. if a doc would protect him, his action would be known.. Of course, if ever confronted, it could be explained.. Hmm.. > > Unless someone can see flaws in that idea, I’d be willing to give it a try this game. I parse this as follows: “_Right, bad (idea1). What about (idea2)? Might not not work because of (problem1) - of course, we could get around that with (workaround1). What do you guys think?_” This is a long way from how you presented it, and I have a sneaking feeling that your snip was engineered to point out two apparently conflicting points in his post without the connecting tissue that got Chuc from A to B. Of course, Chuc could come in and tell me to go pound sand, in which case I don’t have a leg to stand on. But if I’m reading him right, then you aren’t, and the way you presented your suspicion of him looks, well, suspicious. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/202 "2008-12-23T13:34:58Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > - **Rapier42** , because he FOSed me with a (imo) bad reason and hasn’t responded since (not even to my reply). Also supported a bad strategy in Night Zero. In reverse order - I’m not yet convinced it’s a bad strategy, I just let it go because I didn’t want it to become a distraction. This is the first chance I’ve had to take a second to post to the thread, and if you’re scum, of course you think I FOS’d you for a bad reason. ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/203 "2008-12-23T13:43:30Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Yes…it IS kinda weird. :dubious: > > I want to see where the macey train is rolling. So I don’t think I will vote for him right now. Instead: > **vote Chucara** > > for fishing also, but being more subtle about it. NAF, would you hook a brother up and go into more detail on where Chuc’s been fishing? I don’t see it. ---
**Author:** ![Chucara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Chucara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chucara)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/204 "2008-12-23T13:47:03Z")
Rapier42: Like I said, I did feel that vital parts of the explanation were missing from Natlaw’s quote. But then again, I can’t blame Natlaw for not understanding what I write sometimes. I have a bad tendency to not click the “preview” button and therefore not reread my posts. Much of this comes from me posting thoughts, not processed ideas. This is the second time I got myself in trouble for it, but as I also thinks it sparks discussion, I’m not sure I want to stop doing it. (Unless there is already a healthy discussion going) I’m not sure I’m understanding the “bad idea” = scummy part. I understand the votes on me right now. Before they were cast, I hadn’t really posted anything unsafe. So I suppose they could be interpreted as lynch-the-lurker votes, which I did myself in the Super Mario game offboard. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/205 "2008-12-23T13:49:46Z")
Well, I suck at counting apparently. Time zone conversions, too! ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/206 "2008-12-23T13:58:06Z")
OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT, DAY END TIME, AND CHOWDER POST - TUESDAY AM **macey** (7) - brewha, hawkeyeop, hockey monkey, special ed, dotchan, JSexton pedescribe **Thing Fish** (4) - total lost, peekercpa, Pleonast, Chucara **Chucara** (2) - NAF1138, Diggitcamara **Pleonast** (1) - Thing Fish **peekercpa** (1) - Natlaw **CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** (1) - bufftabby **Blaster Master** (1) - CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies **Rapier42** (1) - amrussell Dusk will happen promptly at 1:00PM Eastern Standard time, or exactly four hours and three minutes from now by my clock. As a reminder, any Day actions, or changes to Day actions already submitted, are absolutely due by 12:45PM EST - use 'em or lose 'em, folks. There will be no chowder. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/207 "2008-12-23T14:10:45Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > **Natlaw** , you make excellent points, but I’m sure that I will be only the first of many to tell you that you have caught “ **peeker** tells”. He always posts in a stream of consciousness style and often it seems that he is posting late at night with a great big frosty mug of Scotch by his side. Actually it’s tequilla, but you’ve got the general idea dead on. ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/208 "2008-12-23T14:19:00Z")
> [@Millit\_the\_Frail](#): > > Possibly, but again, I’m not sure why we want to know. I’m still thinking that a mass roleclaim is a great deal more likely to out power roles to scum than to out scum to town. Can someone who supports the roleclaim lay out a better case for it? If I see the logic, you could change my mind. It just seems really hasty, like the Masons claiming early. > > I’m also wary of naming people in posts–those who are using powers will be using them on the most logical targets, and that will be easy to spot. For instance, the Dr. will protect the most likely scum targets (Townies who are “on to them”), the Detective will investigate the scummiest looking players…very risky, IMHO. Firstly, the discussion wasn’t about a mass roleclaim it was about whether or not to mass claim Alpha or Beta status. Two very different scenarios. But mostly this post just seems to disagree with everything but not too strongly. Could just be a new player not wanting to make waves or could be scum wanting to be seen to take part without comitting themselves. > [@Millit\_the\_Frail](#): > > Yeah, excuse my bad grammar constructions, it was before 7AM. 🙂 > > I guess you’ve got a point. The power roles aren’t always going to do the most obvious thing. And confirming town is just as important as finding scum, since there’s no recruiting. Still, there might be patterns there. Unless we could set up a system of vanilla townies pretending to be power roles when “admitting their targets” and listing who we would protect/investigate/whatever _if_ we were that power role. False positive power roles to confuse scum. I don’t know how that would play out…I’m not suggesting it seriously yet, anyone care to comment on it? There’s probably some huge reason why it won’t work…and I’m still not sold on the entire idea, for the reasons **amrussell** mentions. > > I understand the gist of the Alpha/Beta claim, and I do think it’s a mass roleclaim of sorts. Even if some are lying about their true status. Some are going to be lying in any sort of mass roleclaim, it’s just that in this game, the good side is going to have to lie (even if only by omission) as well as the bad. That’s where I feel it’s tricky. I guess it’s basically harmless, but I don’t see its usefulness. That said, I’m fine with claiming my group if majority say we should go that route. Then this. The first paragraph I frankly don’t understand so I’m not going to even try to go there. The second paragraph still implies that what was discussed is still a mass roleclaim while at the same time agreeing that it isn’t then going onto say she’d be happy to claim “my group” if the majority want to. Though she doesn’t “see it’s usefulness”, she “feels it’s tricky” but it’s “basically harmless”. Well which is it? > [@Millit\_the\_Frail](#): > > The First and Last Time I Beg For a Little Sympathy, I Swear: > > I’m working the last two 12-hour nightshifts of my internship this weekend (just finished one, the other’s tonight), so I’m going to be silent for a bit following this post. And I admit, I’m not reading closely, but I will get myself very much caught up on Monday night. > > So I’ve got nothing as far as votes yet. I find the developing wagon against **pedescribe** to be very weird. I don’t see anything particularly scummy about his behavior. He got called on a slip (that doesn’t seem remotely slippy to me–it wasn’t a very bright or important thing to say, but IMHO, it’s harmless) and, well, it sucks to get called out like that so early in the game. Doesn’t this happen a lot on Day 1? Everyone puts up a fight not to be the first one lynched, with barely anything to go on. On the other hand, I also see very little that’s overly scummy about **Pleonast’s** behavior. This all feels like typical Day 1 stuff–the exchange of strategy ideas means a lot of fertile ground for people to sound like they’re flip-flopping. However, I reserve the right to do a 180 on either or both of you later toDay with enough damning evidence. Someone’s gotta swing; I’m just saying that ideally, there would be a more compelling reason to vote for someone. > > Sorry I’ve got nothing more substantial, but I have only skimmed Page 2 and have been awake for a very, very long time…now I’ve got to go to bed! (And I don’t want to get modkilled in my sleep!) The first two posts just gave me mini twinges but this one really pinged me: Firstly you say pede’s slip didn’t “seem remotely slippy” and it wasn’t an “important thing to say”. Sorry but it was a pretty obvious slip and it was important. As it turned out pede’s now claimed mason which was unfortunate (meaning it’s unfortunate one of our masons is already out) but the slip could just as easily have been made by a scum who had a different pm to the vanilla one. Also people have been voting for Thing Fish for citing only two voting candidates. Millit does it too though less obviously: “However, I reserve the right to do a 180 on either or both of you later toDay with enough damning evidence” And I just get the feeling that when you were posting that you already ‘knew’ that pede was town. **vote Millet the Frail** ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/209 "2008-12-23T14:22:15Z")
> [@Chucara](#): > > Rapier42: Like I said, I did feel that vital parts of the explanation were missing from Natlaw’s quote. But then again, I can’t blame Natlaw for not understanding what I write sometimes. I have a bad tendency to not click the “preview” button and therefore not reread my posts. Much of this comes from me posting thoughts, not processed ideas. This is the second time I got myself in trouble for it, but as I also thinks it sparks discussion, I’m not sure I want to stop doing it. (Unless there is already a healthy discussion going) > > I’m not sure I’m understanding the “bad idea” = scummy part. I understand the votes on me right now. Before they were cast, I hadn’t really posted anything unsafe. So I suppose they could be interpreted as lynch-the-lurker votes, which I did myself in the Super Mario game offboard. Ok, I dig all this, but just for future reference, did I understand that post correctly, or am I off base? It makes a difference in how I look at Natlaw (and amrussel, now). * * * In other news, I’m going to jump on the Macey bandwagon. The questioning of Ped does look like fishing, his defence of “but he could be lying” makes no sense at all, and I understand he’s an experienced player on Facebook. **Vote Macey** ---
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/210 "2008-12-23T14:24:45Z")
Well, shucks. I think that, in my absence, the town is on to something for real. That was suspicious as hell, **macey**. Vote **macey** ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/211 "2008-12-23T14:30:39Z")
Regarding the votes on Macey. He could be scum certainly but I’ve played with him before and I don’t think he is. Having said that he always acts scummy to me so I’ve no problems with the votes on him and as cookies (I think) pointed out, if we end up lynching town on the first Day which is generally more likely than not, at least we’re lynching one who’s acting anti town. Pleo/jsexton (I always want to add “blessed be he” there as that was the first game I ever read) seems to me like two good players with very different approaches to the game. Doesn’t tell me a damn thing about their allignments but I don’t see anything odd in their disagreements. So anyway my vote’s pretty worthless I know but I’m not particularly suspicious of any of the current candidates with votes on them currently so meh. ---
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/212 "2008-12-23T15:16:55Z")
> [@Almost\_Human](#): > > Firstly, the discussion wasn’t about a mass roleclaim it was about whether or not to mass claim Alpha or Beta status. Two very different scenarios. > > But mostly this post just seems to disagree with everything but not too strongly. Could just be a new player not wanting to make waves or could be scum wanting to be seen to take part without comitting themselves. > > Then this. The first paragraph I frankly don’t understand so I’m not going to even try to go there. The second paragraph still implies that what was discussed is still a mass roleclaim while at the same time agreeing that it isn’t then going onto say she’d be happy to claim “my group” if the majority want to. Though she doesn’t “see it’s usefulness”, she “feels it’s tricky” but it’s “basically harmless”. > > Well which is it? > > The first two posts just gave me mini twinges but this one really pinged me: > > Firstly you say pede’s slip didn’t “seem remotely slippy” and it wasn’t an “important thing to say”. Sorry but it was a pretty obvious slip and it was important. As it turned out pede’s now claimed mason which was unfortunate (meaning it’s unfortunate one of our masons is already out) but the slip could just as easily have been made by a scum who had a different pm to the vanilla one. > > Also people have been voting for Thing Fish for citing only two voting candidates. Millit does it too though less obviously: > > “However, I reserve the right to do a 180 on either or both of you later toDay with enough damning evidence” > > And I just get the feeling that when you were posting that you already ‘knew’ that pede was town. > > **vote Millet the Frail** And while I was voting, it seems I’ve been voted for! I’m a waffler, and I tend to write like I think. That’s what makes me bad at these games! (But I still like to play…) I see we’ve been giving resumes of our previous Mafia experience, and mine is short: Mafia 3 and Recruitment. I won with town in both games, but they was \>6 months ago and \>1 year ago, and I’m sure most of you don’t know my posting style. I have trouble committing to anything early on, I admit it. (Out Of Game Hat On: I’m already tired of seeing “that’s just his style” as an excuse around here, because it puts players like me at a disadvantage. Maybe that’s a suspicious thing for me to say, as being able to spot changes in style is Pro-Town, but it makes it less fun for players like me, who only play once in a blue moon and haven’t made it to the inside circle where everyone knows my posting style and general demeanor. I’ll deal, though, because there’s no way around it. Hat Off.) For what it’s worth, I can address the middle comments: I still don’t see how an Alpha/Beta claim (Yeah, I called it a mass roleclaim. That was inaccurate and I said so myself.) will help us. **Pedescribe** hasn’t said whether Masons have Alpha/Beta status, and even if he does, we don’t know about the rest of the power roles. If they and other power roles don’t have Alpha/Beta status, they are going to be put into jeopardy by being forced to make something up. If they distribute themselves evenly by chance, there’s not a problem, I guess. If not, we’ve given some power roles less of a place to hide. If they and other power roles do have Alpha/Beta status, then what? Assuming they are distributed equally (Disclaimer: who knows? It would make sense though.) We’ve got two pools of possible power roles for the scum to pick from, and two pools for us to pick scum from. The point is that the scum aren’t going to slip up here. They will divide themselves as evenly as possible. Overall, it’s a potential loss and a potential gain. I suppose I was trying to say that it’s a risk that is, at best, a zero net positive or negative. We give away as much information as we receive. And at worst, it puts the power roles in a “tricky” situation. As far as the last comment, I did not, in any way, suggest that there were only two candidates! I came out in support of both of them pretty strongly, and I was just making a comment that it might not last. And I’m certainly not the only one who defended **pedescribe** on the basis of the “slip” being really flimsy. I really thought it was nothing. It turns out it was _something_–a power role slip, as a few people theorized…and thus we’ve unearthed a Mason. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/213 "2008-12-23T21:43:12Z")
So is it night now? I assume that even though there was a board outage that the deadline came and went just the same. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/214 "2008-12-23T21:43:56Z")
From our Mod from the off-board "Actually, I have a request. Day was to end at 1:00 so I’d have time to end it; I’m leaving in fifteen minutes to go to dinner in NYC with my brother and sister, and won’t be home until pretty late tonight. If service is restored before then, and one of you fine folks is there to see it, please post an apology on my behalf and an indication that I will end the Day as soon as I am able. Thanks!" ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/215 "2008-12-23T21:45:53Z")
> [@Rapier42](#): > > NAF, would you hook a brother up and go into more detail on where Chuc’s been fishing? I don’t see it. It’s about the Alpha/Beta thing. He is one of the few people that was pushing for Alpha/Beta reveals. I don’t know what they have to do with the game as of now, but I know that they wouldn’t be in the game if they didn’t mean _something._ (Something could be story throwing us a red herring, but that is still something.) He isn’t the only person to do that, but there is a certain undefinable quality to his posts as well that I am not liking. It’s just a little more fast and loose than he was when he was such a good townie in Marvel, and I know that is metagaming but sue me. As I have said before I can’t unknow what I know about players, but I am not hanging my argument on that either. It’s just one more factor that makes him more suspicious in my eyes than others. It was close to a coin toss as to who I was going to vote for, Chucara just edged out the other candidates. Macey was the closest 2nd place but as time is going on I am less ok with that lynch. It’s reminding me of Buff’s lynch in the current offboard game. ---
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/216 "2008-12-23T21:46:28Z")
Wow, I thought the hamsters ate that one. And here I was going to delete the annoyed part about how I’m being Discriminated Against OMG! Nevermind, I should just play more Mafia. But now that it’s probably Night, can someone please tell me who or what the hell a Gastard is? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/217 "2008-12-23T21:48:26Z")
> [@Millit\_the\_Frail](#): > > Wow, I thought the hamsters ate that one. > > And here I was going to delete the annoyed part about how I’m being Discriminated Against OMG! Nevermind, I should just play more Mafia. But now that it’s probably Night, can someone please tell me who or what the hell a Gastard is? Bastard with a G. It refers to game mods who are being, for want of a better term, dicks to the players (but in a fun way, not a crappy mod way.) There should be something in the [wiki](http://wiki.flyingcowofdoom.com/mafiaWiki/Main_Page)about it. And if there isn’t someone should add something. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/218 "2008-12-23T21:49:02Z")
A Gastard is a Bastard said with a post restriction of either not being able to use the letter B, or a restriction to switch the letters B and G…I can’t recall. But a “Bastard Mod” is a moderator who designs a game and rules just to fuck with you. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/219 "2008-12-23T22:20:32Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > A Gastard is a Bastard said with a post restriction of either not being able to use the letter B, or a restriction to switch the letters B and G…I can’t recall. > > But a “Bastard Mod” is a moderator who designs a game and rules just to fuck with you. The origin of “Gastard” mods came in the Arkham Asylum game played on Idle’s offboard site. Drainbead had drawn one of the scum (Batman and his allies were trying to thwart a baddie uprising in the madhouse). All the scum had cover roles. Drain Bead settled on the villain known as The Ventriloquist. Ventriloquists have to substitute “g” for “b.” So DrainBead took that on as a post restriction. See our [Wiki page](http://wiki.flyingcowofdoom.com/mafiaWiki/Main_Page) for that and many other injokes and information. Like, for example, the number of games I’ve played here. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/220 "2008-12-23T22:34:44Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Thank you for responding constructively. > Yes, but it wasn’t my pressure that forced him to claim. Would you have preferred that we allow a slip to go uncommented? (not rhetorical) In this case? Yes. I don’t think there’s any point to pursuing it. > [@](#): > > And there you go again, mischaracterizing my posts. I didn’t say you avoided questions, I said you were reluctant to answer. And you were. After you voted for me with no justification, several players asked you about it, immediately. It wasn’t until you were prompted again that you finally responded. And without much discussion. Maybe the source of our disagreement is that you’re much more focused on the semantics of language than I am. I don’t see a strong distinction between “avoiding questions” and “reluctant to answer questions”. Yes, there’s a slightly different nuance to one, but in my opinion, they are basically the same thing for the purposes of the discussing mafia. You obviously view it differently. > [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > FTR, I am fine with the **macey** lynch. I doubt he’s scum, but as Hawkeye said above, if we let Town newbies get away with this stuff, the scum will be doing it next. Argh. If you doubt macey is scum, why vote for him? To teach him a lesson? That sort of vote loses games, and is a common tactic for scum to take to vote for town without taking responsibility for it. > [@Almost\_Human](#): > > Pleo/jsexton (I always want to add “blessed be he” there as that was the first game I ever read) What is that a reference to? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854.md?page=12)