# Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT ONE **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 19, 2008, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854 "2008-12-19T03:11:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Chucara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Chucara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chucara)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2008, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/21 "2008-12-19T15:52:54Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > I don’t think having a revealed Mason early is the worst thing in the world. During SDMB I theorized that the town should have let the masons decide who to lynch, and the rest of the town should follow. It would allow the town to vote without any scum interference. I would say that no mason should reveal himself to confirm another mason absent a counter claim. I will believe any unchallenged mason, since there isn’t enough of an upside for scum to claim mason short of lynch or lose. Also, masons should be careful with breadcrumbing. After one of you is lynched the scum will look closely to see if you revealed your cohorts. But wouldn’t that ruin any information that might be gained from voting? That was a retorical question, it obviously would. So rather: wouldn’t it be preferable to have that information? ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2008, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/22 "2008-12-19T16:05:35Z")
I really like your post #16, **hawkeye**. Those are words to live by–or at least play Mafia by. > [@](#): > > The more I play then more I see that “scum would never do that” is the biggest joke of all. Totalagreement, **totallost**. That phrase drives me batshit insane, because _of course_ scum would do “that” if it makes them appear Townie. I thought the target-listing was an interesting idea, but one that needs some fine-tuning before it would really be useful to Town and not betray information to scum. I don’t see any scum motivation for **Pleonast** to call out **pedescribe** ’s possible role-slip. Not that the motivation might not be there (which, of course, goes for any of us), but I don’t really see it as a scummy thing to do. Okay, I think I’ve weighed in on everything so far, because I know y’all were just _dying_ for me to come along and tell you what I think. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2008, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/23 "2008-12-19T16:06:46Z")
> [@Chucara](#): > > But wouldn’t that ruin any information that might be gained from voting? That was a retorical question, it obviously would. So rather: wouldn’t it be preferable to have that information? Yes, but it is arguable how useful that information is anyway. Vote records are things that can be manipulated by scum pretty easily. I think the pure town vote might be worth the loss. Especially when the scum are close to winning. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2008, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/24 "2008-12-19T16:11:49Z")
> [@Mafia: Evil Dead - Signups and Night Zero](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736/223): > > Yes! Looks like I timed my confirmation PM correctly. 🆒 > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Let me put out my votes: > **vote pedescribe** > for the “slip”. I’ll withdrawal once I get adequate explanation. And, > **vote Total Lost** > as a random vote. > > Why two votes? Well, I want to see how **story** handles votes without unvotes. The rules don’t explicitly say multi-votes are disallowed and he didn’t answer [my question](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10564575&postcount=38) about it. So, we’ll see what the first official vote count looks like. What I meant was that the game was looking pretty cool. I hadn’t yet pointed that out yet and wanted storyteller to know that I was impressed with the color so far. :rolleyes: Not everything is a mountain, you know. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - Signups and Night Zero](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736/238): > > Therefore, > **vote Rapier42** It was an obvious slip and needed to be pointed out. There’s three cases here:1. **ped** is a power role. Deadites are not stupid and knowing who’s Town will easily pick this up as a power role slip. Pointing it out gives our protective roles a possible target. > 2. **ped** is a Deadite. Yay, caught our first scum slip. Let the Town decide if it’s worth lynching over. > 3. **ped** is a vanilla Townie. Well then he’s either going to draw an early Night kill (and better him than a power role) or he’s not. At least by pointing it out, it gives him a chance to respond, and maybe a WIFOM choice for the Deadites.In any case, **ped** ’s reaction (including ignoring me) to the slip accusation is something we can all use to help decide his alignment. Now just wait one cottin-picking minute! You were the one who said that we shouldn’t metagame based on absences! You! Now here you are talking about how I’m “ignoring” you. For your information, I flew all day yesterday and had no computer access last night. How the hell do you think you can use that as an accusation? It seems like you’re grasping at anything available to get an early candidate. If it was any day other than day one I’d vote you, but everyone does that on day one. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - Signups and Night Zero](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736/230): > > Here’s an idea (not mine, but I kinda like it): > > What if every person states a (random) name in the first post of the day (Or at least once per day) as well as an alignment - for example: > > TARGET: Storyteller: Town > > If I were investigator, the alignment would be true and the name would be of last nights target. In case I were to die, all actions would still be recorded. > If I were any other power role, the “Town” part would be random, but the name would the target of last nights action. > If I were vanilla, the name and alignment would be entirely random. The only reason I’d be posting was to make it easy for an investigator to breadcrumb, and it’d also expose the previous actions of anyone dying or claiming.. Theoretically making it harder for scum to lie. > > Any comments before we begin - good idea? bad idea? Directly opposed? Have you ever read [M2?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=414041) Day one, the group did this. Night one, the scum used that information to kill off the detective. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2008, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/25 "2008-12-19T16:16:11Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > Yes, but it is arguable how useful that information is anyway. Vote records are things that can be manipulated by scum pretty easily. I think the pure town vote might be worth the loss. Especially when the scum are close to winning. Early in the game I’m not so sure. Late in the game, a bit of leadership for Town, getting them all lined up behind one of a small number of candidates, then yes. I’ve seen a game lost because Townies fragmented their vote (without scum help) between two leading candidates (both of whom **were** scum). The game was at LyLo, so the scum could collude to get behind a Townie and lynch him, thus winning. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2008, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/26 "2008-12-19T16:20:28Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > I don’t think having a revealed Mason early is the worst thing in the world. During SDMB I theorized that the town should have let the masons decide who to lynch, and the rest of the town should follow. It would allow the town to vote without any scum interference. I would say that no mason should reveal himself to confirm another mason absent a counter claim. I will believe any unchallenged mason, since there isn’t enough of an upside for scum to claim mason short of lynch or lose. Also, masons should be careful with breadcrumbing. After one of you is lynched the scum will look closely to see if you revealed your cohorts. The “It would allow the town to vote without any scum interference” seems to me to be a bit simplifyed. Even if masons did decide they would need to look at behavior from every other player - and this would make them a easy a target for scum manipulation as any other player… I do see your point - but I’m not sure it would serve Towns best intrest in any game. Sometimes even the best role isn’t given to the best player… ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2008, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/27 "2008-12-19T18:19:53Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > I’m not seeing the scum motivation for **Pleonast’s** pointing out \*\*Pedescribe’s \*\*possible slip. Since we know from the rules (post 37 in the signup thread) that the scumboards are open 24/7, why would scum point out a potential power role slip in the main thread? I can think of a number of reasons for that behavior, among them to establish themselves firmly on the “townie” side of the ledger. WIFOM. ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2008, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/28 "2008-12-19T18:28:27Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > I was going to point out Pede’s slip as well and rant about it, so I can’t really hold that against Pleo. In fact, I would say revealing it was a very townish action. If scum find slips there is no reason to reveal them. They could use it later to kill a possible power role, or support a claim (I’m a detective and I know Pede is a power role, but I won’t reveal which. Also, vote Shadowfacts.) Scum would never do that. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2008, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/29 "2008-12-19T18:30:30Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > We just need to remember we don’t to prove to everyone that are likely pro-town. If you aren’t likely to be lynched don’t reveal information to protect yourself. Don’t try to please everyone, since some of the people wanting to be pleased is scum. Yup, don’t reveal who you think is a power role, but _do_ reveal who you think is scum and why. About double voting: unless you unvote, you first vote stand - see **Pleonast** ’s votes for **prescribe** , **Total Lost** and **Rapier42** , but only his first is on the official list. My vote in Night Zero for **Pleonast** was because he first is against revealing information, then [posts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10590670&postcount=241) in bold to reveal your last nights target. I’ll keep my vote for lack of better one and maybe **JSexton** has another good reason why he voted? As an aside: **Storyteller, could you add the current thread to your signature as well?** Then I can use your profile as an handy game bookmark :). ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2008, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/30 "2008-12-19T18:44:17Z")
I’m having a bit of a playing style conflict at the moment, to see votes flying around already based on a post or two while we haven’t even heard from a majority of the players. I’m just trying to roll with it for now, though. Masons can be a powerful block, but I agree with Hawkeyeop that it is best to let power roles play as they see is best. As for mass role claims or alpha/beta claims and the “Is it ever okay to lie as a Townie?” question. I’ve stated in many past games that I believe lying is a perfectly valid strategy, even for town, so long as it is done intelligently and in a way that mitigates risk as much as possible. That is the tricky part. There are lots of seasoned players who disagree with me on that though. An alpha/beta mass claim doesn’t make much sense to me. What exactly would we gain again? ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2008, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/31 "2008-12-19T19:08:09Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > I’m not seeing the scum motivation for **Pleonast’s** pointing out \*\*Pedescribe’s \*\*possible slip. Since we know from the rules (post 37 in the signup thread) that the scumboards are open 24/7, why would scum point out a potential power role slip in the main thread? The motivation, potentially, is to fish for information. Pedescribe may have accidentally revealed a power, or he may have been commenting on the flavor. There’s no reason for Pleo to know which. > [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > I don’t think having a revealed Mason early is the worst thing in the world. During SDMB I theorized that the town should have let the masons decide who to lynch, and the rest of the town should follow. It would allow the town to vote without any scum interference. I would say that no mason should reveal himself to confirm another mason absent a counter claim. I will believe any unchallenged mason, since there isn’t enough of an upside for scum to claim mason short of lynch or lose. Also, masons should be careful with breadcrumbing. After one of you is lynched the scum will look closely to see if you revealed your cohorts. Masons are more powerful late game than early game. That’s why you don’t want them revealed early. And having masons decide the lynch is a terrible idea, as it removes all burden from the scum to post opinions and make cases. If they aren’t taking stands, how the hell do you expect to find them? > [@bufftabby](#): > > Totalagreement, **totallost**. That phrase drives me batshit insane, because _of course_ scum would do “that” if it makes them appear Townie. Here’s the thing. If you’re looking at two potential actions, where one has a clear townie motivation and one has a clear scum motivation, then it makes no sense to claim “well, he did the townie thing, and scum woud never do that.” Because, of course, doing the townie-er thing is reason enough. We’re in agreement up to here. So where does it make sense to say “scum would never do that”? When the decision is between inaction, and taking an action that draws attention. If a suspect takes an action that doesn’t benefit scum, and had the option to simply doing nothing (and no one would be the wiser), then I tend to consider that a strong indicator of townieness. Could scum manipulate that to try and clear themselves? Potentially, but it’s an incredibly risky play. Most people don’t view that the way I do, so it’s not going to clear them in very many eyes. It runs the very large risk of going the way my gambit in the last game did, and simply getting them lynched. IOW, such a play has medium reward, but very high risk. And, of course, even getting to that point requires perfect play. Any slip at all in the sequence of events, or tipping your hand that you wanted people to see the event, totally nullifies it. And given that you’d be under scrutiny, it’s tough to actually play that perfectly. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2008, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/32 "2008-12-19T19:10:53Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > An alpha/beta mass claim doesn’t make much sense to me. What exactly would we gain again? It gives someone information. It could potentially help town power roles or scum. If we went ahead with we would be guessing that it helped town power roles more than scum. I don’t see how we can make that hypothesis. Again I’m going back to looking at what type of information is gained. This would give scum information on powers, while not giving town any information on who is scum. I’m against such a reveal and will Not reveal mine even if the town decides otherwise, absent a really good a reason to. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2008, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/33 "2008-12-19T19:34:58Z")
Hey guys, I keep trying to put a co-herant thought together, and then work gets in my way. My office closes for a week on Wednesday so things are a bit hectic right now. I will chime in when I get a chance (hopefully later this afternoon). ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2008, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/34 "2008-12-19T20:31:55Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > (snip)I’ve stated in many past games that I believe lying is a perfectly valid strategy, even for town, so long as it is done intelligently and in a way that mitigates risk as much as possible. That is the tricky part. There are lots of seasoned players who disagree with me on that though. > (snip) Well, empirically speaking at least one player ( **Roosh** if I recall it corrrectly) made a very effective half-true claim during one game (Firefly?) The problem is that if it ever is proven to be a lie most other players will almost automatically lynch that player. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2008, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/35 "2008-12-19T21:23:52Z")
> [@Mafia: Evil Dead - Signups and Night Zero](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736/238): > > > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - Signups and Night Zero](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736/238): > > > > In any case, **ped** ’s reaction (including ignoring me) to the slip accusation is something we can all use to help decide his alignment. > > Now just wait one cottin-picking minute! You were the one who said that we shouldn’t metagame based on absences! You! Now here you are talking about how I’m “ignoring” you. You misunderstand me. I wasn’t saying you were ignoring me at that time, I was saying your reaction, including a reaction of ignoring me, could be use to gauge you. And by ignoring, I mean not responding to me, while otherwise participating in the game. Simply not posting is not ignoring, it’s not playing. That said, I’m currently satisfied with your reaction. **unvote pedescribe** ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2008, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/36 "2008-12-19T21:41:19Z")
Kind of quiet in here…every time I check in the forbidden thread seems to be higher on the page than this one. Thanks to \*\*Diggit \*\*and **JSexton** for pointing out some plausible answers to my question, but I’m still not seeing this as a case of scum motivation being more likely than town motivation. **JSexton** , your post 31 above lists lots of interesting thoughts about theory, but doesn’t respond to the couple of people who had already asked you why you voted for Pleonast. Is this slip what you were thinking of, or for his supporting the “everyone claim a Night target” idea", or something else? Speaking of which, I don’t like the idea of voting for people because they have bad ideas, but I do think that night-target thing was a bad enough idea that I can kind of sympathize. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2008, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/37 "2008-12-19T21:55:01Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Kind of quiet in here…every time I check in the forbidden thread seems to be higher on the page than this one. > > Thanks to \*\*Diggit \*\*and **JSexton** for pointing out some plausible answers to my question, but I’m still not seeing this as a case of scum motivation being more likely than town motivation. **JSexton** , your post 31 above lists lots of interesting thoughts about theory, but doesn’t respond to the couple of people who had already asked you why you voted for Pleonast. Is this slip what you were thinking of, or for his supporting the “everyone claim a Night target” idea", or something else? Sorry, that was meant to be clearer. Yes, the vote was based on Pleo essentially asking Pedescribe to claim. > [@](#): > > Speaking of which, I don’t like the idea of voting for people because they have bad ideas, but I do think that night-target thing was a bad enough idea that I can kind of sympathize. There’s bad, and there’s anti-town. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2008, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/38 "2008-12-19T21:56:15Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > Masons are more powerful late game than early game. That’s why you don’t want them revealed early. And having masons decide the lynch is a terrible idea, as it removes all burden from the scum to post opinions and make cases. If they aren’t taking stands, how the hell do you expect to find them? They are great late, but I’m not sure having one of their number claim early would hinder town. The bigger problem to me is that masons generally insist on confirming each other, which is almost always unnecessary. Also, the rest of the players would be free to present opinions and argue cases. The confirmed townie would just get the final decision. The fact is we aren’t that good at finding scum early in the game here. Townie vote are spread out, and it easy for scum to get townies lynched, even if the town is on the right track. I think a vote that is guaranteed to be chosen by a town has a better chance of catching scum, even if it based on slightly less information. Hell, it might even be better if fully random. Regardless, I’m willing to forgo arguing my idea until one of them is otherwisely outed. > [@](#): > > Here’s the thing. If you’re looking at two potential actions, where one has a clear townie motivation and one has a clear scum motivation, then it makes no sense to claim “well, he did the townie thing, and scum woud never do that.” Because, of course, doing the townie-er thing is reason enough. We’re in agreement up to here. Lately town has had even worse logic, thinking the person who chose the pro-scum action couldn’t be scum, which allows the scum to act in there self interest without fear of retribution. I think, all else being equal, we should vote for the person who’s action was more pro-scum. If nothing else it will force to the scum to play less in their self interest to survive. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2008, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/39 "2008-12-19T21:56:45Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > You misunderstand me. I wasn’t saying you were ignoring me at that time, I was saying your reaction, including a reaction of ignoring me, could be use to gauge you. And by ignoring, I mean not responding to me, while otherwise participating in the game. Simply not posting is not ignoring, it’s not playing. And yet, you ignore me. Whatsamatta? Are you…chicken? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2008, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/40 "2008-12-19T22:47:08Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > And yet, you ignore me. Whatsamatta? Are you…chicken? Huh, you didn’t notice my response to you way back on Night Zero? > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - Signups and Night Zero](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736/238): > > > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - Signups and Night Zero](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736/235): > > > > Bad Pleonast! Pedescribe, don’t answer that. There’s no reason to clarify right now. None. It might be an admission of a power role, or it might be that he thought the flavor looks interesting. Who cares? There’s nothing inherently scummy about possessing a power role, and no good can come of talking about it for no reason. > > It was an obvious slip and needed to be pointed out. There’s three cases here:1. **ped** is a power role. Deadites are not stupid and knowing who’s Town will easily pick this up as a power role slip. Pointing it out gives our protective roles a possible target. > 2. **ped** is a Deadite. Yay, caught our first scum slip. Let the Town decide if it’s worth lynching over. > 3. **ped** is a vanilla Townie. Well then he’s either going to draw an early Night kill (and better him than a power role) or he’s not. At least by pointing it out, it gives him a chance to respond, and maybe a WIFOM choice for the Deadites.In any case, **ped** ’s reaction (including ignoring me) to the slip accusation is something we can all use to help decide his alignment. But maybe you are having trouble remembering what I said originally about **ped**. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - Signups and Night Zero](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736/222): > > > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - Signups and Night Zero](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736/177): > > > > Got my PM…looks pretty cool. > > Uh, is this some sort of admission that you didn’t get a a vanilla Townie role? Because this comment > [@JSexton](#): > > Sorry, that was meant to be clearer. Yes, the vote was based on Pleo essentially asking Pedescribe to claim. is a mischaracterization of what I said. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854.md?page=3)