# Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT ONE **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 19, 2008, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854 "2008-12-19T03:11:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/161 "2008-12-22T18:38:34Z")
Just go into the game room and click on the number of replies to this thread: peekercpa 13 Natlaw 10 pedescribe 10 bufftabby 10 Hawkeyeop 10 DiggitCamara 9 NAF1138 9 macey 8 Pleonast 7 ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies 7 storyteller0910 7 JSexton 7 Thing Fish 6 Total Lost 6 Almost Human 6 Hockey Monkey 5 special ed 5 brewha 5 amrussell 5 MHaye 3 Rapier42 3 Millit the Frail 3 Chucara 3 Hoopy Frood 1 Zeriel 1 Nanook of the North Shore 1 ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/162 "2008-12-22T18:42:22Z")
Huh. 7 years I’ve been a member here and I didn’t know that. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/163 "2008-12-22T18:44:46Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > Huh. > > 7 years I’ve been a member here and I didn’t know that. > > Thanks! If you click on the number next to their name in the replies thread it will show you the posts to that thread. Extra handy for Mafia. AND HOW THE HELL AM I ONE OF THE TOP POSTERS IN THE GAME SO FAR?? ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/164 "2008-12-22T18:56:06Z")
OK, so no word from **BlaM** yet? Can we get a prod or something? Also, nothing from Dotchan, but that’s one is understandable. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/165 "2008-12-22T18:57:33Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > Huh. > > 7 years I’ve been a member here and I didn’t know that. > > Thanks! It is a new feature post conversion. Naf, can you explain why you are voting Chucara over Macey. Subtly is more suspicious than bluntness? ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/166 "2008-12-22T19:00:55Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > OK, so no word from **BlaM** yet? Can we get a prod or something? As a reminder, the management urges all players to review the rules; I won’t be discussing any player’s participation, or any moderator actions related to participation, in the game thread. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/167 "2008-12-22T19:11:50Z")
Apologies, holidays, traveling, getting loose ends at work tied up before vacation, all that (sorry, it’s going to get a lot worse before it gets better). After a quick-skim (in a non-scummy fashion) readthrough, I have to say: Hey **pedescribe** , wasn’t it brought up early on for Masons _not_ to claim?? That we don’t need a bunch of us running around with “Nightkill Me” signs around their necks? An unconfirmed Mason is useless to town, and a confirmed Mason this early is nothing but cannon fodder. I _implore_ any other Masons (if we have any) to keep it quiet, please! Now then, time to go back for a more careful readthrough… ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/168 "2008-12-22T19:22:10Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > It is a new feature post conversion. > > Naf, can you explain why you are voting Chucara over Macey. Subtly is more suspicious than bluntness? More or less. The one thing that gives me pause is how blatent Macey was. It was a coin toss, but Macey’s bluntness put Chucara over the top for me. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/169 "2008-12-22T19:58:59Z")
> [@amrussell](#): > > I’m not sure how much worse it is to out a power-role at Night rather than during the Day. They’re going to be targeted at the next opportunity in any case. > > Scum always get to strategise at Night; town doesn’t. Giving that opportunity up seems like a shame. In fact, it seems like the more that scum are responding to town, rather than vice-versa, the better off town will be. That’s just a gut response though. And with the short Days we need to take the opportunity to talk during the night. Otherwise I don’t think we will have enough real time hours. Also, regarding the whole **pede** thing. Not sure what kind of observation you would have me make. **pede** made a funky comment, **pleo** commented on it, **jsexton** said that was fishing. I didn’t agree and said so. Now, whether **pede** ’s initial comment should have been a basis for alignment determination purposes. I’d have to say that if anything it pointed to towniness. I just can’t see scum making that kind of slip. But would it necessarily have indicated some type of power role, maybe, maybe not. But it seems that those types of discussions end up having more anti town implications than not. So, I just wanted to move on. Of course, it’s now it’s just academic. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/170 "2008-12-22T19:59:24Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > 1. We “seem to have two candidates so far” - this just ping me big time. We are ALL candidates at this and (unless proven power role) all times. You say you have played before - this can’t be a surprise to you…?? > > 2. You then _compare_ **Pede** and **Pleo** saying: > a) You agree **Pede** ’s behavior is odd but > b) But howeve you see **Pleo** as “slightly scummier” > > And the 3b is what pinged me: You should not look at it as **Pede** versus **Pleo**. We are at Day 1 - it is IMO much to early to look at two players getting voted for and thinking you need to decide between those two “candidates”. > > If you did think you found **Pleo** scummy - then why not just state a case against him? Why did you need to make it a choice between then two? 1. Yes, of \*course \*we are all candidates. I already explained the thought process that led me to use that phrase, and if you didn’t buy it the first time I won’t bother repeating myself. I still can’t see how you could have read what I wrote and jump to the conclusion you did , but I guess if **Ped** read it the same way I have to take some responsibility for the misunderstanding. 2. Because…AS I ALREADY SAID…I _did_ think that there was also reason to be suspicious of **Ped** , and I wanted to express that suspicion. As you are conveniently ignoring, I also expressed suspicion of **Chucara** , who had no votes, thus shooting down your theory that I was “thinking you need to decide between those two “candidates”.” You are putting words in my mouth big time, and the only reason I’m not voting for you right now is that I also thought you were scummy in SDMB (didn’t play, but lurked) and you weren’t. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/171 "2008-12-22T20:05:16Z")
**Ped,** thanks for sharing the Cap’n Pitt story. Don’t worry, though, it will take more than a misguided lynch to get rid of me! 😉 Total, this is my 3rd game on this board, the others were Doperville and T2. T2 was different from the others because a) I \*didn’t \*get votes on the first day and b) I actually _was_ scum! But I died on Night One, so that wasn’t much of an experience. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/172 "2008-12-22T20:07:58Z")
Oh and regarding the number of games I have played in. It’s got to be in the range of seven, give or take one or two. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/173 "2008-12-22T20:19:47Z")
Will try to get a reread in before Dusk, but I’m still reasonably happy with my vote where it is ( **Pleonast** ), particularly now that we are provisionally assuming that the guy he was trying to drive the wagon on was in fact Town (and yes, we absolutely should make that assumption for the time being, as several people have already explained to **macey** ). \*\*Pleo’s \*\*post #119 impressed me as talking a lot (in generalities) without really saying much about this particular game. Must go work now, may or may not be back later. ---
**Author:** ![dotchan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@dotchan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dotchan)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/174 "2008-12-22T21:06:56Z")
Time to kick ass and chew gum, and I’m all out of gum. 😃 _Does a distracting dance with my shiny behind._ 😃 Now that we got that out of the way… Wow, people with shinier asses than me! I’m not alone any more! I’m so happy! 😃 Traditionally Day 1 gets spent discussing voting strategies, the possibility of a mass claim and/or game setups. I don’t think a good setup is breakable by a Day 1 mass claim, and we don’t yet know how much that Alpha/Beta thing pervades through the setup. By the first Day/Night cycle we should have a better idea of what to expect anyway. **macey’s** posts read, on first blush, like a paranoid newbie, but in voicing opinions on pedescribe’s reaction to his PM says something to the effect of “you should know better”. Compared to that, the insistence for more information does seem very scummy, especially in light of storyteller’s publishing of the Vanilla PMs. (And one would think that Story made it so we can’t use special phrases in the PMs as a kind of handshake.) In light of this, **vote Macey** Everybody else has already pointed out **Thing Fish** ’s statement about there only being two candidates being, well, fishy, so I won’t elaborate on that and just give Thing Fish a FoS. Dark Cookies does seem rather opportunistic, but it’s Day One, so for now I’m just raising my eyebrow in her general direction. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/175 "2008-12-22T21:25:01Z")
I’m the opportunistic one? That’s rich… ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/176 "2008-12-22T21:51:56Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > > [@Pleonast](#): > > > > Do you really believe Mafia players only give logical answers? Do you think poking someone to see their reaction is not a useful tactic? What? Are you sure you know how to play Mafia? Our goal is to determine other people’s alignment. Of course, I’m looking at everything in terms of those possibilities. I didn’t expect him to give details of his role, but I did expect to determine something about it from his reaction. This is not a difficult concept. I think I’m putting you back in my “newbie” mental category. > > That seems needlessly antagonistic, Pleo. Do you have something against me? Antagonistic or not, are you going to respond to my points? ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ My thoughts on several players. **macey** ’s questions of **ped** are anti-Town, but I think it reflects the different expectations of the Facebook play group. It’s a null tell. I’m mildly suspicious of the players who’ve jumped on him for only that. **JSexton** is suspicious for playing very strangely. I’m not sure what his regular play style is, but this game he seems to be attacking me for the usual game back-and-forth. Plus, he has been very reluctant to answer questions (not just mine). **Thing Fish** is suspicious for saying I “was trying to drive the wagon on [**ped**] was in fact Town”. Two problems with that statement. First, I was not driving the train. I merely pointed out the slip and then backed off. Even **ped** admits that much. Second, driving a train against a Townie is rarely a scum tell. I think will ultimately be voting for **Thing** , but just to make sure my questions get answered, **vote JSexton** Oh, I’ve played in 10 Mafia games prior to this one. My win-loss record is 5-5. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/177 "2008-12-22T22:01:50Z")
Preface: I’m snowed in and without power. I’m at my in-laws for the moment, but internet accesss is limited. > [@Hockey\_Monkey](#): > > **Cookies** , you have mananged to put into words what has been needling me ever since I requested an explanation from \*\*Jsexton \*\*for his very quick non-random vote. It just didn’t sit very well with me at all. It seems very opportunistic. I’ve been debating whether or not to vote for him because I didn’t think I could clearly state why. Now I can. Or rather, you did. 🙂 Opportunistic? Really? How so, because Pleo is such an easy, passive target? :dubious: Or because it came as day started? Remember, we’d already been talking for a day or so. > [@Natlaw](#): > > Rereading JSexton’s posts, he does tell us he’s ‘gnawing on Pleo’s leg’. Is that part the scummy vibe you get from him? Just FYI, that’s a running joke elsewhere about being a pitbull. It’s both a strength and a weakness. I don’t let anyone go, but sometimes I get tunnel vision. > [@pedescribe](#): > > Fine. I was gonna wait… > > But you have unearthed your first mason. Congrats. It’s tradition! > [@macey](#): > > Did you guys not think that **pedescribe** could be lying? As well as scum he could also be a PFK, or there may not be even any masons at all?? It’s not my fault he has outed himself on Day 1, there wasn’t that much heat on him. > > And have you read your PM at all? We can compare what info he has with ours. There’s no harm questioning him at all. What? We’re supposed to let all uncontested claims go free!!! What happens if scum makes up a position? You’re going to let them get away with that too? > **FOS** **Hawkeye** and **Brewha** Wow. It’s been said by others, but yeah. Claiming mason is not the same as any other claim, really. There’s zero chance that scum false claims mason day one. Think about it: if the mod told them there’s no mason group, that’s basically free rein to have two or three scum be unlynchable. This post and your others are pretty bad. I see a former mason buddy saying that you can be all over the place as town, but it’s still worth a unvote Pleonast, vote macey. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/178 "2008-12-22T22:03:06Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > and the only reason I’m not voting for you right now is that I also thought you were scummy in SDMB (didn’t play, but lurked) and you weren’t. Everyone looked scummy in that game - except scum 😉 > [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Total, this is my 3rd game on this board, the others were Doperville and T2. T2 was different from the others because a) I \*didn’t \*get votes on the first day and b) I actually _was_ scum! But I died on Night One, so that wasn’t much of an experience. :smack: sorry - I should have remembered (I knew your name was familiar! ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/179 "2008-12-22T22:10:00Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > **macey** ’s questions of **ped** are anti-Town, but I think it reflects the different expectations of the Facebook play group. It’s a null tell. I’m mildly suspicious of the players who’ve jumped on him for only that. Question to you Pleo: Who has jumped on him for only that? (in your opinion, or not.) Not that people haven’t, I just hate it when folks make statements that broad brush a group of unnamed folks. I like to hear specific names. I am not crazy about you being characterized as driving the bandwagon either. I don’t know if I had mentioned that already or not. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/180 "2008-12-22T22:16:00Z")
I’m finding it difficult to imagine a viable scum benefit for **macey’s** play, assuming for the moment that he is scum. On one hand is a possible fishing expedition that _might_ pay off, on the other hand is a gambit that would result in the amount of votes that he’s getting 9 times out of 10. What I mean is, in 9 games out of 10, if someone pushes a claimed Mason for more information on Day 1, I think the mob would string him/her up for all of the reasons that have already been stated. Is the potential fishing pay-off really worth the risk? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854.md?page=10)