# Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT SEVEN **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 22, 2009, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-seven/482492 "2009-01-22T18:47:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-seven/482492/141 "2009-01-26T20:47:45Z")
NETA: (would have been JSexton 4 - amrussell 3) should (would have made it JSexton 5 - amrussell 3) ---
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-seven/482492/142 "2009-01-26T20:53:55Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > I’m going to try something weird. > > Vote Millet the Frail > > Why? Because I’ve never seen her do anything scummy this game. Ever. And I have no reasons to be the least bit suspicious of her. But there’s more. For whatever reason, I have an overwhelming ‘feeling’ that she is just town. > > Given my track record, she’s probably scum. Hahaha. OK, fine. I guess it’s my turn in the hot seat. If I did the same, though, I’d be voting zeriel or Natlaw, and I don’t think that’s a great idea. They haven’t picked up many votes and I don’t see it happening any time soon. So Amrussell has a good point about me changing my tune on him. Those two statements were separated by a few days, and after reading more and more of his analysis, it all started to run together. It was probably a bad move on my part to let that influence my attitude toward him so strongly. I need to re-evaluate him big time, because he was right about JSexton all along. Amrussell and I use very different styles for trying to catch scum. Mine is all about the votes, and it hasn’t been working well yet this game, but I know there are other players who rely on voting records heavily also. (That’s why I put the spreadsheet together.) Whereas amrussell sifts through statements made and tried to find contradictions and changes in tone. Hey, it’s a valid method, and he actually caught a scum! Go amrussell! So basically my defense is that I was confusing different styles of play with different motives in the game. It’s crappy play, which doesn’t surprise me coming from myself :o but is not excusable. Sorry guys. Anyway, I’m still voting special ed. I know that he voted JSexton at a crucial time yesterDay, but saving him would have looked really bad when he turned up scum, and he wasn’t going to last another day. Is this really stretching it? I don’t think it makes him a townie to vote for a scum (yes, I’m banking on him doing it multiple times) when he’s up 4-2 at the very end of a Day and almost certainly going down. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2009, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-seven/482492/143 "2009-01-27T10:36:53Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Day 1 > **macey, Scum strongman** mostly dead > > Night 1 > **Thing Fish, investigator** > **Bufftabby, Scum roleblocker** mostly dead (now fully dead) > **Pleonast, Town mason** > > Day 2 > **peeker, PFK Serial Killer** > > Night 2 > **Hawkeye, Town Alpha** mostly dead > > Day 3 > **Chucara, Town Beta** > Bufftabby dies completely > > Night 3 > **Diggitcamara, Town multipowered** > > Day 4 > **Blaster Master, PFK, Serial Killer** > > Night 4 > **NAF, Town investigator** > yellow glow > > Day 5 > **Hal Briston, Town Beta** > > Night 5 > **Cookies, Town something** > > Day 6 > **MHaye, Scum investigator** mostly dead > > Night 6 > No one > > Day 7 > **JSexton, Scum special** mostly dead > > My initial though for running all this was to see if there was a correlation with a Vanilla death leading to a Scum fully dying. But there doesn’t seem to be. If **Chucara** , Beta took out **Bufftabby** , then why didn’t \*\*Hawkeye \*\*, Alpha take out **macey**? and why did \*\*Hal \*\*die completely without killing anyone else? > > Any other ideas on this? Or should I drop this and concentrate on something else? Hal was Alpha, not Beta. My theory is that lynching town kills them dead, lynching scum leaves them mostly dead, and night-killing Alphas leaves them mostly dead. We’ve only had one night-killed vanilla of any stripe, so there’s room for other explanations. I’m sort of hoping it’s not true, however, because it implies that at some point we should lynch all the Alphas to stop the scum creating a game-winning zombie. We must still be ahead of that point now though, so let’s get on with lynching \*\*brewha \*\*and **Millit** , who are clearly scum. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2009, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-seven/482492/144 "2009-01-27T11:55:29Z")
Let me try to shoot down my own analysis where I place a town weight on voting **JSexton**. How credible is **Millit** s in thinking **special ed** bussed JSexton (plus macey and MHaye for that matter)? On one hand, if there is only one scum left, the simplest explanation is that it is very anti-scum for scum to vote for scum, since it increases the town lead even more. On the other hand since town has a lead, the remaining scum needs to be as town as he can be for scum to reach LyLo and eventually win. > [@special\_ed](#): > > I wasn’t convinced by the case against **AH** , I’m not convinced by the case against \*\*JS \*\*either, but there are a couple of suspicious points there. Does he not check in on the weekends? > > for the time being though, it seems our confirmishified town tend to be going toward \*\*JS \*\*with 4 for **JS** , 2 for \*\*amrussel \*\*, and 1 for **AH** , **Nanook** , \*\*Natlaw \*\*and **me**. (on preview, I see hockey moneky isn’t, and I also notice total only unvoted AH but didn’t vote JS. I’ll monitor this. I especially don’t want a last minute scum-induced voting chaos…though, maybe that’s what this is. > > In a way that can’t possibly make my voting record look any better, but is the most pro-town thing I can do > > **vote Almost Human > unvote Almost Human > vote JSexton** **special ed** : you shouldn’t be monitoring ‘confirmishified’ town, but be finding scum. For the last three Days, you mentioned wanting to be in the confired town voting block (D5: follow them to MHaye, D6: voting MHaye because town voted him D5). So why was voting **JSexton** the most pro-town thing to do? Why not **amrussell** , who you don’t mention in your vote post if you find him suspicious or not? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2009, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-seven/482492/145 "2009-01-27T12:57:09Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > **special ed** : you shouldn’t be monitoring ‘confirmishified’ town, but be finding scum. For the last three Days, you mentioned wanting to be in the confired town voting block (D5: follow them to MHaye, D6: voting MHaye because town voted him D5). So why was voting **JSexton** the most pro-town thing to do? Why not **amrussell** , who you don’t mention in your vote post if you find him suspicious or not? You’re right. I’ve been lax in developing my own reasons for voting since **Macey** , **peeker** , and **Hal**. I’ve been relying on the analysis of others. Also, I’ve been trying to vote with our confirmishified town players. I’'ve been trying to do this to help avoid Scum coming in an changing the lynch target at the last minute. YesterDay, I did look over the case against amrussel, though I didn’t mention it. In the end, I believed \*\*Almost \*\ ***Human** ’s role claim, and found the case against \*\*JSexton \*\*the most suspicious. I haven’t been that great at coming up with original ideas. I’d honestly rather we take out time to find actual Scum rather than concentrate on me. I’m finding it difficult to believe I’m having to defend my voting record which includes voting to lynch 3 Scum, 1 PFK, and 2 Town. I’ll try to join in the Scum hunt after work. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2009, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-seven/482492/146 "2009-01-27T15:45:20Z")
I thought the point of the _confirmed_ voting together was that they were (semi) confirmed - and you’re not, but acting like you are. Not that it’s working to great in my opinion, but you seems to confuse it even more. I can think of a reason, but since most seemed to be against a mass claim, but maybe the masons will consider a mason/not mason verdict on you? Since it is still Night that can wait till later in the Day, if needed at all of course. And didn’t you vote for [Hal](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10692581&postcount=106) [for](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10693904&postcount=165)[your](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10693703&postcount=139) [own](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10694050&postcount=177) [reasons](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10694069&postcount=181) and switched to MHaye because the confirmed did? But now you say you were lax with reasons to vote Hal. On its own, voting 3 Scum, 1 PFK and 2 Town looks nice, but the scum votes were late and one town vote saved a scum. A point in favor is that you had a vote for Hal before MHaye was in danger. I’m not concentrating on you not just because of your voting record, but because you seem too eager to appear town. Perhaps you did confuse **Hal** / **Mhaye** above and I would expect a scum to be a bit more subtle, but for now: **vote special ed** ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2009, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-seven/482492/147 "2009-01-27T16:27:02Z")
Sorry I’ve been out of the loop for the last couple of days guys. I was visiting my inlaws and was under the impression that they had internet access - they did last time I was there. I’m a bit surprised to find out that I’m “clearly scum”. Was there a case against me somewhere? I did a quick skim up to the lynch, and I didn’t notice one. I’ll check again. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2009, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-seven/482492/148 "2009-01-27T16:33:35Z")
Oh, the hand thing. Yeah, I kinda feel like a moron. I missed that it was in response to Macey’s severed hand giving the finger. When I did my Amrussel analysis, I just did a search for posts by him in the game room. Obviously some things were taken out of context. Unvote Amrussel ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-seven/482492/149 "2009-01-27T16:38:32Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > I thought the point of the _confirmed_ voting together was that they were (semi) confirmed - and you’re not, but acting like you are. Not that it’s working to great in my opinion, but you seems to confuse it even more. > I can think of a reason, but since most seemed to be against a mass claim, but maybe the masons will consider a mason/not mason verdict on you? Since it is still Night that can wait till later in the Day, if needed at all of course. Yes, I’m aware I’m not confirmed. I’ve never claimed to be confirmed. I’ve attached a bit more validity to the arguements of the confirmed, and I’ve tried to increase the power of their voting block by voting with them, when they could be cohesive. Does that make me Town? No, of course not, as Scum I could be trying to hide in their shadow. But does it mean I’m Scum? no. > [@Natlaw](#): > > And, [you left out this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10678583&postcount=306) where I did detail my suspicions of Hal > > And didn’t you vote for [Hal](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10692581&postcount=106) [for](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10693904&postcount=165)[your](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10693703&postcount=139) [own](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10694050&postcount=177) [reasons](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10694069&postcount=181) and switched to MHaye because the confirmed did? But now you say you were lax with reasons to vote Hal. And, [you left out this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10678583&postcount=306) where I did detail my suspicions of Hal. (you’ll find the link to it in the first of your posts accusing me of not having reasons. However, you misrepresent what I said. I said I was lax in finding my own reason _since_ my vote for **Hal** , meaning, after the vote for **Hal**. I obviously had my reasons for voting for **Hal** , despite my departure from that to try to vote for \*\*MHaye \*\*when the confirmed Town were leaning that way. I went back to **Hal** , again for my own reasons, when the confirmed abandoned the \*\*MHaye \*\*lynch aftter his claim. I apologize if I’m not making myself clear. > [@Natlaw](#): > > On its own, voting 3 Scum, 1 PFK and 2 Town looks nice, but the scum votes were late and one town vote saved a scum. A point in favor is that you had a vote for Hal before MHaye was in danger. The first Scum vote ( **macey** ) wasn’t late and it was while the case was still close. The other 2 Scum votes were late, but, I can’t recall off the top of my head, didn’t I put both \*\*MHaye \*\*and \*\*JSexton \*\*over the top in getting them lynched when Town was split? Does it prove me to be Town? no. Do I think it’s odd that it’s being used as a basis of calling me Scum? Yes. > [@Natlaw](#): > > I’m not concentrating on you not just because of your voting record, but because you seem too eager to appear town. > Perhaps you did confuse **Hal** / **Mhaye** above and I would expect a scum to be a bit more subtle, but for now: How did I confuse them? Did I state something unclearly? What part don’t you understand. Also, I don’t feel like I’m eagrly trying to appear town. I’m trying to play for a town win, yes, and I’m defending myself from the case made against me, yes, but I don’t think I’m being overly eager ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2009, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-seven/482492/150 "2009-01-27T17:40:17Z")
> [@amrussell](#): > > We must still be ahead of that point now though, so let’s get on with lynching \*\*brewha \*\*and **Millit** , who are clearly scum. Is this a whoosh? ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2009, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-seven/482492/151 "2009-01-27T18:23:10Z")
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