# Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT SEVEN **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 22, 2009, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-seven/482492 "2009-01-22T18:47:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 36
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2009, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-seven/482492/36 "2009-01-24T01:12:45Z")
At Total Lost’s request, I went backed and found all the scummy things Almost Human has done, in my opinion. Here they are. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT ONE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/13): > > I don’t think anyone’s asking for a mass roleclaim, just an ‘Alpha’ ‘Beta’ claim. I’m not sure how effective it would be but I don’t see much harm in it either. Advocates an Alpha Beta claim, because it wouldn’t do much harm. Except…if she were a power role she’d know how much harm it would do. And I would expect a townsperson to be more cautious in revealing such information. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT ONE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/139): > > **macey** , as I and several other players have already said, out of all the power roles to claim, mason is the most risky one for a scum to pick so for now I’m believing him. > > I don’t see the purpose of trying to find out more about his role for the purposes of confirmation. Or for any other reason actually. Even if it would tell us whether or not power roles have Alpha/Beta status I don’t think it’s in our best interest for that to be public yet. > > If the scum don’t know why tell them? Now, see, this is weird. Why would AH caution against revealing power-role AlphaBeta status when she called for an AlphaBeta claim earlier? Perhaps she already knows. Perhaps the scum, having no AlphaBeta status, suspected the power roles had none either, and thus wanted to push all the vanillas claiming for easy pickings on power roles. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT ONE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/211): > > Regarding the votes on Macey. He could be scum certainly but I’ve played with him before and I don’t think he is. Having said that he always acts scummy to me so I’ve no problems with the votes on him and as cookies (I think) pointed out, if we end up lynching town on the first Day which is generally more likely than not, at least we’re lynching one who’s acting anti town. > > Pleo/jsexton (I always want to add “blessed be he” there as that was the first game I ever read) seems to me like two good players with very different approaches to the game. Doesn’t tell me a damn thing about their allignments but I don’t see anything odd in their disagreements. > > So anyway my vote’s pretty worthless I know but I’m not particularly suspicious of any of the current candidates with votes on them currently so meh. This is a very hesitant, cautious defense of Macey. The scum would know that macey is pretty much dead by this point. But I’d expect at least some sort of effort to save him, simply because they might get an unexpected curveball. That’s exactly what this looks like–a defense that is weak, and subject to change–something that doesn’t particularly link, but it does plant the idea of confusion. It also has an element of “what the hell are you doing”, which I imagine the scum were saying to him. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT TWO](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/54): > > Sorry I haven’t been about for a couple of days folks. > > Thoughts so far. I really didn’t think macey was scum despite his play - this is a lesson to me to stop judging people based on their play style in past games - I think some people are good at it but I’m not. (makes mental note to base decisions only on logic and ignore my ignorant gut) > > Never suspected that bufftabby was scum. I can’t guess at who offed her (whether it was a town vig, serial killer or whatever) but the bloody handprint on her forehead’s interesting. You reckon we’ve got an exorcist in our midst trying to drive out the demons? > > A small thought…if almost dead scum had made votes before they died will they still count or partially count while they’re not completely dead? > > There’s been some speculation about whether or not scum would have tried to save macey yesterDay. I think after what he said they probably thought it more expedient to let him hang. bufftabby pretty much ignored the macey goings on and I wouldn’t be surprised if a few others did the same thing. > > I will do a proper reread this evening before voting as this was just done from memory. I don’t have a candidate in mind to vote for just yet which sucks. > > Please do something scummier! This always seems to be a common sentiment for scum: ‘Nobody’s acting scummy! Woe is me.’ That way, they can pointedly ignore scummy behaivor from their scum-mates without awkward questions, and later jump on the first badly worded townie statement they see with the excuse, ‘There wasn’t anything else!’ > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT TWO](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/124): > > Hawk’s theories. The thing is, he’s mentioned some of this before so I know he genuinely believes that town allowing scummy play by either side is a bad idea and needs to be stopped. He really does think that we should stop saying “scum would never do that” and punish anti town behaviour. > > But to accuse people who thought macey wasn’t scum as actively protecting him? That’s pretty weak for someone who’s thought about this so much. > > I think you’ve used an idea you truly believe in and twisted that idea to suit your purpose, which is to get town lynched. I know you’ve had plenty of time to think about it as you came up with this long before the game started so I’d have expected a much more compelling argument from you if you were really town trying to find scum. > > Re the death scene this morning. I have a theory which may be nonsense but I like it so I’m putting it in. > > I jokingly wondered if we had an exorcist earlier due to bufftabby’s having a bloody handprint on her forehead. I’m now wondering if I may have been half right and Thing Fish (the Religious Figure Having a Crisis of Faith) investigated her. It could have been part of his role that if he found scum he had to exorcise them but due to his crisis of faith both of them would die. > > Like I said, could be my imagination getting overactive but if I’m right then hawk’s saying: > > would be (if he’s scum) a lie. > > Anyway, toDay’s been hard to decide on who to vote for. I’m not convinced you’re scum hawk but you’re scummier to me than anyone else. Also, as you say, if you do turn out to be town we’ll have a lot of data points to look at afterwards. > > **vote hawkeyeop** This case is made of straw and playing cards. The first half is based on the idea that Hawkeyeop has been making a contingency plan on what happens the next time he is scum, and one of his scum buddies bites it very publicly. The second is based on her own theory, which has absolutly no supporting evidence except the Day 2 Color. Such a case would be useful to discredit someone who fingered a scum, no? > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT THREE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/54): > > Sorry, I’ve got man 'flu so haven’t really been keeping up. > > I’m not sure whether the same terms are used here as on other boards but certainly on one board I play in vanilla simply means a player without powers and though it’s generally used to describe town it can also be used to describe generic scum. If that’s the case here then the people who’ve already claimed should say they’re vanilla town if they haven’t already done so. I noticed DBI and chucara claimed Alpha Redshirt which is one of the possible vanilla town combinations. But what if there are vanilla Alpha and Beta Redshirt scum? > > I may be way off base and probably am as I’m drugged up to the eyeballs, but if there are then NAF could well get a true read and inadvertently confirm scum as town. I think it’s far safer to simply claim town. > > Oh, and I’m not accusing either of them of doing so, just pointing out a possibility. > > I’ll make a vote early tomorrow when my head’s hopefully a bit clearer. I’m in the UK so it’ll be made long before Day ends. This digression may look innocent, but consider that one of the main reasons Chuc got lynched is because JSexton and MHaye (!) ran with her Man-Flu induced theory. It’s easy to set out some random reason for suspecting someone, then have someone else use it to push the lynch. No doubt a misguided townie will help shoulder the burden, who will promptly get the blame after it goes to hell. Look at what happened to JSexton. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT THREE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/251): > > Though I really don’t think he [NAF] is lying but that’s just a feeling. Textbook smudge. Probably a contingency plan in case NAF didn’t end up dying. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FIVE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/69): > > **unvote Hockey Monkey** > > All the people I think are scummy turn out to be masons ☹ > > cookies, good luck with getting the other confirmed to vote with you - I think it’s going to be a bit like herding cats. > > I don’t have a real feel either way for MHaye or amrussell yet. > > I’m with you on the JSexton suspicions though I’m finding it hard to put my finger on why I’m suspicious of him. He hasn’t made any slips that I can see and he’s done plenty of talking, none of which was anti town. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t pro scum though. He was pretty vocal about the Blam lynch. Yes, Blam was pfk but if JSexton is scum he’d know he wasn’t on his team plus it was pretty obvious Blam was a pfk of some sort (though I’m still surprised he was an SK). So it was equally pro scum as it was pro town to get him lynched. In fact maybe more so - if Blam had been allowed to live, his continued existence would have depended on following the town’s concensus. > > Out of everyone involved JSexton seemed to push Blam’s lynch the hardest. He was completely focussed on killing him and didn’t entertain any doubts whatsoever. It’s the first game I’ve played with him so maybe that’s just his style but it struck me he was very certain, maybe too certain. > > I know the confirmed haven’t asked the rest of us to join in voting with them but if they make a case against someone else I can get on board with I’ll change my vote. As for now: > > \*\* > vote JSexton\*\* > > I’ll add some actual analysis this evening but I wanted to get that in before I started work. Yup, look who’s under the gun now–JSexton, the guppy in the Chuc hand-off I talked about earlier. Her case seems to be, again, filled with air. JSexton…attacked a PFK. A lot. A scum would have no reason not to, so clearly he must be scum. Not only that, she made the claim that it was “obvious he was PFK” when _she herself_ admitted to being unsure and that she probably would have taken her vote off if she had posted during that lynch. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FIVE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/71): > > We got macey early and bufftabby via peeker. I think it’s made us complacent and I’m as much to blame as anyone else. We’ve got rid of two pfks who, according to your pm may well be the only ones. While there’s no doubt the pfks needed to be got rid of, it would have surely been far better for them to have been vigged (I’m assuming we’ve got one). We’ve essentially used up two Days getting rid of third parties instead of finding scum and I think JSexton may have had a hand in making sure that happened hence my vote for him. Here, she has taken the case that lynching a Serial killer was a mislynch because a vig could have gotten him. Horrendous logic, since we don’t know if there’s a serial killer, or if he would have targeted BlaM. Perhaps she was fishing for a vig claim? --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-seven/482492)._