# Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT SIX **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 17, 2009, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695 "2009-01-17T02:37:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2009, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/21 "2009-01-17T23:48:51Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > MHaye, can I make sure I’m understanding your claim? Stripping away the flavor here: > > 1. You automatically self-protect every night. > 2. You can choose to protect another, in addition to yourself. > 3. The first time someone attempts to kill you or your target, the attack should fail (barring interference) > 4. The second time there is an attempt to kill you or your target, the attack will fail and the killer will die > 5. Once that happens, you are vanilla. > > You have not used either of your charges yet. > > Is all of the above accurate? That is the way I understand my role, yes. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/22 "2009-01-18T03:36:06Z")
So you are basically a super-doc. I mean, yeah, you have limited charges, in theory. In practice, though, it’s about 50/50 whether a doc in any given game actually has a successful protection. Two is very rare. More than two is almost unheard of. So the first ability is more or less a full doc. Add to that the automatic self-protection, and that’s a very, very powerful role. Those two components are worth 6 points. The second shell is just gravy, although let’s note that it the self-protection makes it more likely to come into play. Call it 6.5 points on my scale. So there’s two conclusions I can draw here. The first is that I would not expect there to be a normal doc plus your role in this game. Too much protection. We think pedescribe was protected n1 from Blam, but we only have his word on that, and I don’t know how much credence I really give that. There’s other possibilities, like the masons have a collective one-shot immunity, or Blaster was roleblocked, or something. On the flip side, if you’re lying, then we most probably HAVE a full doc role in the game. I’m not really looking for a doc to counter claim here, but if one did, that would seal the deal that one of you would be lying. The fact that you have not been counterclaimed lends some credence to you being truthful, though, simply because I’d kind of expect a true doc to have already countered. Conclusion #2: In the absence of a counter claim, we can test you pretty easily. Since you auto-protect, it’s simple enough to have a vig take a shot at you. This has the bonus that in the event of you being truthful, you get powered up to the second shell. Of course, this assumes that we have a vig. If a vig claims today, great. They shoot at you tonight, and we find out in the morning if you’re dead, or being at least somewhat truthful. This should work even if the mafia try to take out the vig, assuming that everything gets processed more or less simultaneously. And, of course, MHaye can protect the vig as well as himself, making it a very dicey proposition to try and interfere. Or a vig could choose to remain silent today, and decide on their own whether to test MHaye tonight. With the scum roleblocker dead, I don’t know what they’d have left to mess with the plan, but sometimes better safe than sorry. Short version: I have doubts about MHaye’s veracity, but we’ve got at least two ways to find out without lynching him. And if he’s on our side, then it’s an insanely good weapon for us. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/23 "2009-01-18T03:47:37Z")
I didn’t really expect to say this, but Mhaye rationale makes sense. It isn’t exactly how I would have played it, but his actions are at least credible as a townie. The thing that makes me lean towards trusting him is the delay on night’s end. There was something that the rules didn’t deal with. I’m guessing some situation like an unstoppable kill vs a doctor with no given limitations. This fits Mhaye’s statements. I’m thinking Story had trouble telling whether or not the kill should go through, because Mhaye should stop any kill, but it was an unstoppable kill. Unless anyone else comes up with a good reason why the night was delayed, I’m going to trust Mhaye. Oh and I’m very much against a mass claim. No need to give the scum information that we don’t have to. The gain for town at this point is much less than the gain for scum. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/24 "2009-01-18T10:53:44Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > 2 power roles (four dead), most likely some sort of vigilante (killing Night One) and doctor (maybe protected **pedescribe** Night One or **Cookies** Night Three). I forgot the one-fifth dead people killer **Cookies** got information about. If that is a separate role, we have less vanilla (or maybe only three masons). It could be a power of the vigilante type (killed N1, nothing N2 for Night lynch test, N3 killed off bufftabby, N4 communicated with Cookies, N5 ?). Note that I’m listing this information to compare against a mass-claim with what I expect. Please _don’t tell_ the actual number of masons, etc until after we actually did the mass claim (if we do it). > [@JSexton](#): > > So there’s two conclusions I can draw here. The first is that I would not expect there to be a normal doc plus your role in this game. Too much protection. We think pedescribe was protected n1 from Blam, but we only have his word on that, and I don’t know how much credence I really give that. There’s other possibilities, like the masons have a collective one-shot immunity, or Blaster was roleblocked, or something. On the flip side, if you’re lying, then we most probably HAVE a full doc role in the game. I’m not really looking for a doc to counter claim here, but if one did, that would seal the deal that one of you would be lying. The fact that you have not been counterclaimed lends some credence to you being truthful, though, simply because I’d kind of expect a true doc to have already countered. **bufftabby** could have blocked Night One, but the odds of her targeting **Blaster Master** aren’t that great. The second part is the reason why I think a mass-claim would shed more light on **MHaye** , because we can compare it to the other protective powers we have. I’m not sure a doctor would counter-claim on his own. > [@](#): > > Conclusion #2: In the absence of a counter claim, we can test you pretty easily. Since you auto-protect, it’s simple enough to have a vig take a shot at you. This has the bonus that in the event of you being truthful, you get powered up to the second shell. Of course, this assumes that we have a vig. If a vig claims today, great. They shoot at you tonight, and we find out in the morning if you’re dead, or being at least somewhat truthful. This should work even if the mafia try to take out the vig, assuming that everything gets processed more or less simultaneously. And, of course, MHaye can protect the vig as well as himself, making it a very dicey proposition to try and interfere. Or a vig could choose to remain silent today, and decide on their own whether to test MHaye tonight. With the scum roleblocker dead, I don’t know what they’d have left to mess with the plan, but sometimes better safe than sorry. If we openly plan a test hit on **MHaye** , scum could gamble and hit him too. Depending on how **Story** resolves the actions, either the scum or the vigilante could die. It a big gamble though. [QUOTE=Hawkeyeop] There was something that the rules didn’t deal with. I’m guessing some situation like an unstoppable kill vs a doctor with no given limitations. This fits Mhaye’s statements. [/QUOTE] But if scum had an unstoppable kill, why not take out **MHaye**? Asking the question I see the answer myself: **Cookies** survived **Blaster Master** s kill attempt. Can scum use the powers of one-fifth dead ones? I earlier said we weren’t sure about **macey** ’s powers, but now that I think on it again: he wasn’t the tough guy type, because he didn’t survive the lynch. [QUOTE=Storyteller0910 - Dusk Day One] He’s too dead for his vote to count. He’s way too dead to lynch, or to Night kill. He’s not too dead to talk, though. [/QUOTE] But also not too dead to use his power? ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/25 "2009-01-18T10:56:41Z")
But if scum had an unstoppable kill, why not take out MHaye? Asking the question I see the answer myself: Cookies survived Blaster Masters kill attempt. NETA: Or MHaye is scum of course. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/26 "2009-01-18T12:50:27Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > I’ve asked whether this represents some percentage chance of failure of my role, but haven’t had a reply yet. I’ll let you know what he says when I get a reply. The response to my query was, in summary, that I have been told all the essential elements of the role at the start of the game, If any changes had been made to my role as a result of in-game events since the start of the game, I would have been told. It follows that my failure to detect DarkCookies leaving the cabin was not a result of my role. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/27 "2009-01-18T16:50:52Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > But if scum had an unstoppable kill, why not take out MHaye? Asking the question I see the answer myself: Cookies survived Blaster Masters kill attempt. > > NETA: Or MHaye is scum of course. Two other possibilities. They could be hoping we take care of Mhaye for them. Also, the “unstoppable kill” might have been only usable on Cookies. Perhaps it was related to the dreams. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/28 "2009-01-18T22:45:48Z")
I think we need to be careful about the amount of time we spend guessing what happened last night and the amount of time we spend hunting scum. I know that if we can determine what really happened last night, it’ll help us decide on MHaye. **But we’re not going to be able to.** As far as MHaye goes, we have to choose between two scenarios: 1. **MHaye** , townie redneck, IDs \*\*Cookies \*\*as super-power town, targets her for protection and has his power fail just as the scum decide to kill her (or because the scum decide to kill her in a super-special way.) 2. **MHaye** , scum, kills **Cookies**. Either because she’s been identified as a burgeoning power role, or because she’s a confirmed town and the next best kill after **NAF**. One of these scenarios has the benefit of simplicity. However, we know that something non-simple happened. It’s been suggested that this supports **MHaye** because \*\*story \*\*would have had to balance out different types of protection/kill. Another explanation is that the complications arose because of **Cookies** , the vanilla who wasn’t so vanilla anymore. From that role description, and from the colour, it’s possible that the conflicting powers weren’t \*\*MHaye \*\*vs scum but rather \*\*Cookies \*\*vs scum. All in all, I’m going with the simple option - keeping my vote on **MHaye**. For just now - I’m going to look over at least one other person in detail. Can I suggest that everyone else, especially those who aren’t voting **MHaye** , strongly consider doing that rather than waiting for scum to do something blatant today? We’ve got a fairly narrow pool - let’s work on it. ---
**Author:** ![dotchan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@dotchan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dotchan)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/29 "2009-01-18T23:18:41Z")
It’s not unbelievable that scum might have a one-time unstoppable night kill (as a matter of fact, IIRC as the Godfather in Blade Runner, ALL of my NKs were guaranteed to go through if I were the one to make the kill), but it does seem rather suspiciously convenient that mhaye’s power failed when he claims to have protected DarkCookies. Question: Would the people currently oppose a mass claim still do so if we just required the vanilla’s to claim “Vanilla”, without making the Alpha/Beta distinction? ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/30 "2009-01-18T23:52:12Z")
> [@dotchan](#): > > It’s not unbelievable that scum might have a one-time unstoppable night kill (as a matter of fact, IIRC as the Godfather in Blade Runner, ALL of my NKs were guaranteed to go through if I were the one to make the kill), but it does seem rather suspiciously convenient that mhaye’s power failed when he claims to have protected DarkCookies. Yes, but Mhaye claimed a Cookies protection after the fact. He didn’t need to do that. > [@](#): > > Question: Would the people currently oppose a mass claim still do so if we just required the vanilla’s to claim “Vanilla”, without making the Alpha/Beta distinction? Yes. Vanillas claiming vanilla lets the scum focus on killing power roles. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/31 "2009-01-18T23:59:09Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > The thing that makes me lean towards trusting him is the delay on night’s end. There was something that the rules didn’t deal with. I’m guessing some situation like an unstoppable kill vs a doctor with no given limitations. This fits Mhaye’s statements. I’m thinking Story had trouble telling whether or not the kill should go through, because Mhaye should stop any kill, but it was an unstoppable kill. Unless anyone else comes up with a good reason why the night was delayed, I’m going to trust Mhaye. Um…with all due respect, that makes no frickin’ sense. If the scum had an unstoppable kill, that means it’s unstoppable. As in, can’t be stopped. And the flavor of MHaye is very much a garden-variety protection. MHaye’s claimed role is in no way supernatural. If the Deadites had some sort of supernatural scum kill, there is _absolutely no reason_ that MHaye’s protection should have affected it. Here’s my guess–Cookies started vanilla, and gained abilities each night, one by one. One of them was the 1/5 player burning power–which is how she found out about the danger unintentionally posed by Hawkeyeop. One night, she gained partial bulletproofing, able to fend off Freddie. Last night, she gained some sort of bombing role, able to cut through any sort of invincibility on the killing–the same night scum used their super-secret-invincible kill on Cookies. The question was–did the killing scum die in the process, or not? Well, we know what happened after that. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/32 "2009-01-19T00:07:58Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Um…with all due respect, that makes no frickin’ sense. If the scum had an unstoppable kill, that means it’s unstoppable. As in, can’t be stopped. And the flavor of MHaye is very much a garden-variety protection. MHaye’s claimed role is in no way supernatural. If the Deadites had some sort of supernatural scum kill, there is _absolutely no reason_ that MHaye’s protection should have affected it. Well, obviously it was not as simple as unstoppable kill. It was a kill vs a stop where it was unclear which should go though. That is the most logical explanation, and Mhaye’s claim fits it perfectly. > [@](#): > > Here’s my guess–Cookies started vanilla, and gained abilities each night, one by one. One of them was the 1/5 player burning power–which is how she found out about the danger unintentionally posed by Hawkeyeop. One night, she gained partial bulletproofing, able to fend off Freddie. Last night, she gained some sort of bombing role, able to cut through any sort of invincibility on the killing–the same night scum used their super-secret-invincible kill on Cookies. The question was–did the killing scum die in the process, or not? You mock my theory, and that is what you come up with? That is pretty convoluted. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/33 "2009-01-19T01:22:56Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > Well, obviously it was not as simple as unstoppable kill. It was a kill vs a stop where it was unclear which should go though. That is the most logical explanation, and Mhaye’s claim fits it perfectly. > > You mock my theory, and that is what you come up with? That is pretty convoluted. Apologies. I’m just confused with MHaye’s claimed role, is all. If it was an ordinary kill, it should have been stopped. If it was a super-kill, why was MHaye even a possible obstruction? We’re both confused, but we’ve gotten different things from it. I think MHaye’s even less likely to be telling the truth. You think it makes sense for MHaye. I can sorta see where you’re coming from now. And my theory came from this line: > [@storyteller0910](#): > > **CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** , a Pro-Town Former Vanilla Who Was Less Vanilla By This Point, has been killed. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/34 "2009-01-19T15:49:55Z")
Man, it got quiet quick. Storyteller, could we get a list of who’s still in the game? ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/35 "2009-01-19T15:52:03Z")
> [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FIVE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/81): > > The more I think about AH’s case, the more it rubs me the wrong way. She’s pushing for perfect play at the expense of good (a doomed strategy that looks good at first), and voting for JSexton because he…what. Found PFK? Pushed a lynch passionately? I mean, unless Hal and JSexton are both scum, it makes no sense–I suppose it’s possible, but you would need much more supporting evidence. Meanwhile you are clamoring to let the vig solve our problems when we > > a) Don’t know if we have a vig > b) Don’t know if the vig is alive > c) Don’t know if the vig is convinced like the town is > d) Know that giving an SK another day means one more death. > > Furthermore, if BlaM wasn’t lynched _right then_, he would have sent his message, the heat would have died down, and there’s no assurance that he ever would have died. > > Furthermore, this is the _only_ evidence you have against JSexton–granted, he hasn’t participated too much otherwise, but still–you have managed to take a weak null tell and turn it into the only pillar for a vote-worthy case. This seems almost like a textbook smudge. Your vote doesn’t have to work today. But in 3 days, when we have almost won and are puzzling about who to get next, someone looks back and says, “Hey, look, JSexton was kinda suspicious here”, and then we’ve mislynched, with your presence in the sham gone unaccounted for. > > No, I don’t like it at all. A strong pro-scum and scummy action is much more of a case than lurking and being cautious, so: > > Unvote MHaye > Vote Almost Human Color bleached by me. Vote Almost Human I’m not just piggybacking on Pedescribe’s case here. His points are valid and gave me reason to look closer at Almost Human. But, that’s not the only reason why I voted for her. She never came back to adress Pedescribe’s suspicion. Instead, she didn’t reply at all and it seems that this was forgotten about. I’d like to hear her side of it. So, this is more of a “wanting an explanation” vote than an “I’m convinced you’re scum” vote. ---
**Author:** ![dotchan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@dotchan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dotchan)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/36 "2009-01-19T16:53:12Z")
From Special Ed’s list: Masons \*pede \*Hockey Naf confirmishified \*Total Lost (not a Deadite, according to Cookies) Claimed \*MHaye Scotsman/doc of sorts \*zeriel Vanilla \*dotchan Vanilla In the pool \*brewha \*Nanook \*JSexton \*Millit \*Almost H \*Rapier \*Natlaw \*special ed \*amruss ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/37 "2009-01-19T18:17:18Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > Color bleached by me. > > Vote Almost Human > > I’m not just piggybacking on Pedescribe’s case here. His points are valid and gave me reason to look closer at Almost Human. But, that’s not the only reason why I voted for her. > > She never came back to adress Pedescribe’s suspicion. Instead, she didn’t reply at all and it seems that this was forgotten about. I’d like to hear her side of it. So, this is more of a “wanting an explanation” vote than an “I’m convinced you’re scum” vote. I think you missed this: > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FIVE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/207): > > Well I didn’t just vote for you due to the me too but as I can currently only get an internet connection by standing on a chair and balancing my laptop on the window sill I’m not about to go check exactly what I said. > > I’m going to be away from home and with a really crap connection for the next few days so apologies in advance - I’ll do my best to keep up. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/38 "2009-01-19T18:41:15Z")
I’m **against a mass claim**. I really don’t see an advantage to outing our power roles. We’ve got two confirmed Masons. If either of them get night killed, we still have one that can confirm the rest as needed. For that reason, I don’t think there’s much advantage for scum to target either of them. Mhaye is most likely safe from night attack as well. Because either he has a shotgun to protect himself and the scum now know it, or because he is scum himself. So, right now, I think we’re doing pretty well to keep scum in the dark. Outting power roles would help scum much more than hurt them, IMHO. Also, if we have a vig, I think Mhaye would make a perfect target tonight. Unless I’m mistaken, his first shot is just a warning. So a vig attack on Mhaye would not put our vig in any danger (assuming Mhaye is telling the truth) and would end up more or less confirming Mhaye either by his death or his ability to scare off the vig. He’d still retain a shot and the ability to protect if he’s alive in the morning. On preview: No, I saw that **Total Lost**. But that was posted more than a few days ago (4 iirc). I figured it was a good time for a reminder. ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/39 "2009-01-19T18:53:28Z")
I’m back. I have a monster of a re-read in front of me, I don’t know that I’ll have an informed vote by the end of Day tomorrow. My gut instinct is to vote amrussell, but I scanned enough to see the claims flew fast and furious, so I’m going to do my best to get that reread done. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/40 "2009-01-19T19:07:00Z")
I’m also against a mass claim My first reason is: This game has so many strange power roles that we might not be able to make the usual “two claimed cop let’s lynch and get scum for power role”. If we look at the power roles we have seen so far… I’m not sure I would have believe NAFs role in a mass claim (or DiggitC’s for that matter). I’m not sure **Dotchan** has worked out the numbers right. To me it all looks like a lot of guesswork - that’s my second reason. And **Brewha** since I play with Almost on FB-mafia I know she is still on that chair in the window sill 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695.md?page=3)