# Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT SIX **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 17, 2009, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695 "2009-01-17T02:37:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/41 "2009-01-19T19:11:41Z")
Fair enough, Unvote Almost Human Hopefully she’ll be letting us know when she is back at a reliable connection. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/42 "2009-01-19T19:30:09Z")
I’m against a mass claim because they tend to only work in an open game setup. As it stands, the scum have zero incentive to claim anything already suspected to exist, and it wouldn’t take much for them to claim later in the order so they weren’t duplicating people. Then the scum know who all the power roles are and the town has bupkis additional information if the scum are even half-brained. My vote stands on MHaye. I have a lack of trust. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/43 "2009-01-19T20:51:42Z")
**Total Lost** (not a Deadite, according to Cookies): I don’t see a reason to doubt **Cookies** ’ PM. **MHaye** claims Questionable Hillbilly: His targets are either unfortunate or scum picking those that cannot be confirmed. -Night One, pedescribe: as town saving shells; as scum nothing wanted to pick him because possibly protected by a real doctor; -Night Two and Three, NAF: as town I think investigator was the best bet at that point; same reasoning for scum though since nothing happened to NAF that we heard those Nights. Also dodges a possible protection of Cookies Night Three. -Night Four and Five, Cookies: I thought MHaye would come with Total Lost (important because Cookies could try to prevent her lynch with it). I didn’t think of the dream connection to nightmare Ash and now MHaye seems to have been he right about Cookies being not just vanilla. But would a scum MHaye risk ‘protecting’ _and_ killing Cookies? MHaye started today with three rollover votes, so maybe an extra gamble to survive another Day. **Zeriel** claims vanilla: Either too eager town to help the confirm vanilla plan, or scum knowing NAF won’t live long enough to actually check (DiggitCamara claimed after and got kill priority?). I thinking the former though. **dotchan** claims Alpha Redshirt: I think this is true due to Blaster Masters investigate/failed kill Night Two. **brewha** : I picked him out in a vote analysis yesterday, but didn’t think a worth a vote (I did briefly because he claimed my analysis wasn’t correct). Today he comes up in amrussells [analysis](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10696114&postcount=209): after Mhaye unvotes, it was Hal 2, MHaye 4 and brewha 3. amrussell concludes Hal got voted off to protect MHaye, but it could also be to protect brewha. Before brewha calls me out of smudging him again: the ‘protection’ votes where from JSexton, Natlaw (me) and special ed, so I’m smudging myself too ;). **Nanook** claims a boring role and notes he find most power roles including vanilla scum boring. Becoming a bit more active though, but haven’t got a real read on him. **JSexton** : voted for by Almost Human, but she couldn’t really say why. The thing that stands out are his attacks on people who make a case against someone: on Pleonast for his pedescribe for, Hawk for Cookies on both he backed of due to play style differences. Another example [Yesterday](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10692770#post10692770) against amrussells case for brewha. Of course its his play style, but it has him shooting down cases of others, possible townies, making cases to find scum. Besides the Blaster Master chase, not sure if he otherwise stuck out his neck. Not decided yet if this is a scum sign though, can also be town playing save. **Millit the Frail** : No notes except it’s Mrs. and she made a vote spread sheet. A quick look at the votes shows: macey, Diggit, Chucara, BlaM and Nanook. No idea. **Almost Human** : Another I’ve haven’t got much on. I’m leaning a bit town because a making a weak JSexton case Yesterday, when votes were all over the place. It would have been saver / easier for scum to vote for someone who already ahd some votes. **Rapier** : Noted because he made some cases against me, but one was for calling Pleonast a mason. Probably like a townie like Chucara, but it more a feeling than evidence. **Natlaw** : I’m town :). **special ed** : Stands a bit out lately due to the tie BlaM vote and the hammer on Hal. But he was also an earlier voter for Hal and posted a reasoning for it the seemed to have some grounds (Hal selective quoting Cookies). **amrussell** “We’ve got a fairly narrow pool - let’s work on it”: I’m trying, but it’s getting a long post. Not sure getting an objective opinion here, since he has a similar play style to mine (vote analysis posts, etc) and we got a couple of times of voting the same target. NAF named him Night Three, but it was just to get a reaction. I can’t find the reason pedescribe voted for him. I think MHaye got unlucky last Night and will give MHaye the benefit of the doubt for now. So that leaves maybe a scum in the rapid voting yesterday, but if I have both MHaye and brewha leaning town (latter for macey vote), then scum stayed out of it. So no vote yet :(, but I’m going to look at Millet, Almost Human and Nanook again based on that. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/44 "2009-01-19T22:02:57Z")
On updating my vote count: **Hockey Monkey** , are you sure you unvoted Almost Human? On **Millit** : both Day Four and Five she went after lurkers (BlaM, Hal and Nanook). Generally she asks questions and gives reasons for her votes, so nothing that stands out. On **Almost Human** : Bit less townie feel than Millit, but nothing scummy. So I’m still leaning town, for reason mentioned above. I’ll leave Nanook for tomorrow and adding Rapier to the list to look at, since I still haven’t found a good place for my vote. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/45 "2009-01-19T22:15:20Z")
[oog]I’ve just come back from a day of intensive ante-natal instruction, involving several diagrams and indeed photos. All I’m going to say is, that is some trippy shit right there. Tomorrow, I’m in a team away day (i.e. no posting from work) so this is the last posting session for me until c.3 hours to Dusk.)[/oog] Despite that lack of time, and only slightly worried by how little posting there’s been toDay, I’m going to take a look at **JSexton** , starting off with some of his own advice about finding scum, taken from: **Day/Night One:** > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT ONE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/31): > > Here’s the thing. If you’re looking at two potential actions, where one has a clear townie motivation and one has a clear scum motivation, then it makes no sense to claim “well, he did the townie thing, and scum woud never do that.” Because, of course, doing the townie-er thing is reason enough. We’re in agreement up to here. Point 1: Scum will try to act townie. This is important, because I submit ahead of time that JSexton has acted somewhat townie, most especially in posts on game theory and in attacking bad ideas. But there’s more to finding scum than just realising they will act townie: > [@](#): > > So where does it make sense to say “scum would never do that”? When the decision is between inaction, and taking an action that draws attention. If a suspect takes an action that doesn’t benefit scum, and had the option to simply doing nothing (and no one would be the wiser), then **I tend to consider that a strong indicator of townieness.** So, hypothetically, if JSexton were scum, he might consider drawing some attention to himself, in order to appear more like a townie. Of course there are difficulties: > [@](#): > > Could scum manipulate that to try and clear themselves? Potentially, but it’s an incredibly risky play… [snip]… even getting to that point requires perfect play. Any slip at all in the sequence of events, or tipping your hand that you wanted people to see the event, totally nullifies it. And given that you’d be under scrutiny, it’s tough to actually play that perfectly. That puts the kibosh on that then, doesn’t it? We can clearly rule out any idea that \*\*JSexton \*\*would have considered drawing attention to himself as a way to appear as a headstrong but loyal townie rather than a conniving, skulking scum. (I know what some of you are thinking. You’re thinking, what if he not only did it, but he went out of his way to explain to people that he’d never do it? Damn, you people are cynical.) Besides, it’s not like he did anything to draw attention to himself. Aside from this, earlier: > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT ONE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/3): > > Gonna start with not-random vote: Pleonast. Why on earth would **JSexton** , who by his own reckoning has played over 50 games, ever place a vote without an explanation? He’d have to know that it’s the sort of thing that would garner attention. As indeed it did. Several people asked him about it. It was even the basis for \*\*Cookies \*\*vote on him. (Not long after, of course, \*\*bufftabby \*\*- scum - would vote for \*\*Cookies \*\*on the basis of that vote, calling it weak.) So far, this isn’t really anything. Just a faint suspicion. For the rest of the Day, \*\*JSexton \*\*is mainly concerned with pushing \*\*Pleo \*\*over his calling out of **pede** ’s slip. This is a reasonably townie thing to do, although as it turns out Pleo is not only town but gets scum killed that night. (Let’s hope he didn’t give anything away in his conversation with **JSexton**!) What’s interesting about this little chapter is **JSexton** ’s description of his own style of play: > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT ONE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/177): > > Just FYI, that’s a running joke elsewhere about being a pitbull. It’s both a strength and a weakness. I don’t let anyone go, but sometimes I get tunnel vision. Bear this in mind as we go through the remaining Days. \*\* Day/Night Two:\*\* Day Two was of course dominated by Hawkeye vs Cookies; Night Two by NAF’s claim. It started off with three dead bodies - one of them scum. Here’s JSexton’s take on that: > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT TWO](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/36): > > I’d strongly suggest that everyone take the time to go back over posts that interact with macey and bufftabby…and those that notably fail to interact when they should. Two points here. One, it’s easy to suggest what people should do, and it sounds damn helpful. It’s even better though, if you do it. Secondly, note the scum behaviours we should be looking for: a) interacting with known scum and b) not interacting with known scum. Now, let me be clear: _I agree that you can’t hold scum to just one behaviour._ But I find it interesting that a player who would later have a go at me _for suggesting that more than one behaviour could be used to profile scum_ would himself have made a very similar post earlier in the game. There is a difference, of course: I attached names to my “scum tells” and attempted to show some reasoning whereas \*\*JSexton \*\*just tells us to look for scum in the north, the south, the east and to the west somewhat. In any case, it isn’t long before our pitbull gets his teeth into **Hawkeye** , who has gone back and looked at people’s interactions and non-interactions with **macey**. His [first post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10628208&postcount=91) is the beginning of what will surely be a tenacious challenge and is coupled with a vote. And there is some back and forth between the two. But here’s JSexton’s third post in this conversation: > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT TWO](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/105): > > I just deleted a long reply to you, Hawkeye. I think, again, that we’re coming down to a difference in playstyle. I tend to think my way has more merit (but doesn’t everyone?) because you get to analyze as you go instead of waiting for solid results, but hey, it helps to have people looking at the same elephant from different angles. > This isn’t to say that I consider you town all of a sudden, but the main reason I was after you was because I felt your motivation for your actions was scummy. I can see a townie motive now, and that’s enough. Our pitbull has given up, because he can see a townie motive as well as the scummy one that originally had him biting down. He doesn’t consider Hawkeye town, mind you. But he’s going to unvote him. **Day/Night Four** After a quiet Day/Night Three (only four posts) we start Day Four. \*\*Cookies \*\*has posted her PM and is getting flack for capitalisation. In response to **dotchan** ’s suggestion that we do some analysis, we have this enthusiastic endorsement: > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FOUR](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/6): > > Wait, did someone suggest _playing mafia_? Huh. Didn’t know that still happened. It’s good when a player says things like this, because you know that that player will be a font of analysis, challenges and ideas. Here’s where we start: > [@](#): > > **The one person I’m wondering about is Total Lost herself.** The way I see it, Cookies tidbit of info isn’t conclusive, in that we don’t know that the scum are comprised solely of deadites… > > So here’s what I’m thinking. After seeing Cookies PM, Total Lost thinks “Hey, if Cookies shows up dead, then I’m confirmed non-deadite, which basically = town!”, which is a pretty good position for a PFK or mafioso to be in. **I’d like to do a little review of Total Lost and see what might turn up.** It’s good when players say things like this, because you know they’re going to do a review of **Total Lost**. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FOUR](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/32): > > Except it doesn’t. If storyteller wanted to give Cookies knowledge that a player was town, he would have done so. “Total Lost is town-aligned.” > > He didn’t do that. He left wiggle room. Why? Two choices: > > - Story is an evil bastard mod who wants us to make the wrong decision. > - Story is a clever guy who want to make us put puzzle pieces together. > > I think it’s the latter, and I think the latter implies that Total Lost is not town. Again, warning us not to trust **Total Lost**. At this point, this could very easily be the concern of a cautious townie. At any rate, we then kill Blam and find he’s the missing PFK. That should let Total Lost off the hook, right? Well, yes and no: > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FOUR](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-four/480155/262): > > Yeah, I’m a lot less worried about Total Lost now that we’ve accounted for both the SKs. Still could be some sort of nondeadite Deadite, but that’s a much smaller chance in my mind. > > However, we still have to evaluate behavior, and the way she disappeared when heeat moved off her is a little worrisome. She’s probably alright, but in the meantime, here’s a little smudge to keep you worried. This would be less suspicious if it were followed up by a review (to set those fears at rest) but _we’re still waiting for that_. Of course Day Four was a big day for **JSexton** , both in terms of posting and catching PFKs. He went after \*\*Blam \*\*hard and didn’t let go, pushing him on all his slips and refining his case until he’d pretty much nailed him. Good pitbull behaviour. That we hadn’t/haven’t seen on any other Day. And it happened to be on a PFK. The contrast between his play style on this Day and on every other Day could not be more marked. **It’s like reading a different player**. **Day/Night 5** This is an interesting Day, because it’s here I began to notice the contradictions. Not coincidentally, \*\*JSexton \*\*started interacting with me more toDay, mainly in a critical/suspicious fashion. > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FIVE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/64): > > Was this supposed to be helpful? I can’t help but think of ads that pitch “Save up to 20% or more!”. .. > It’s interesting that you found a way to smudge both me a Millit for essentially opposite behavior. Cookies’s comment about seeing what sticks is starting to resonate with me… > Sure, it’s plausible scum behavior…but it’s also plausible town behavior, isn’t it? I don’t see any of that (aside from low posting (and it’s not THAT low)) as being an actual scum tell. It’s neutral at best, but you’re treating it like a rubber stamp for scum. > > There’s nothing inherently scummy about building a case on someone who turns out to be town (mason in this case), but some cases look more contrived than others. This one looks shaky as hell, and I’m doubting the sincerity of it. Contrast this with “someone should look at everyone who interacted with \*\*macey \*\*and **bufftabby** , and everyone who didn’t.” There’s nothing I’m being picked up for here that \*\*JSexton \*\*hasn’t \*explicity \*condoned or promoted earlier. Except it’s scummy when I do it. Also, note that I’m becoming a target of interest. It can’t be long before we see some pitbull action, right? Around this time, I make my case against **brewha**. \*\*JSexton \*\*leaps in to knock it down. Mainly by attacking me: > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FIVE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/113): > > I’ve got pretty huge problems with this. AMRussell, you’ve got a distinct tendency to vilify a person for one behavior, then turn around and \*\*smudge someone with the exact opposite accusation. \*\*Earlier, you made an accusation that someone voted too hastily. Now, you’re accusing brewha based on being too cautious to vote? I don’t think your analysis of the timing here holds any water at all. Enough time passed between his unvote for Cookies and his vote for Peeker that I’m perfectly willing to believe that he re-read and decided that a vote was in order. **I’d normally consider is scummier to hop immediately from wagon to wagon**. Again: “everyone who interacted with \*\*macey \*\*and **bufftabby** , and everyone who didn’t.” Secondly, apparently scum now have _clearly defined_ behaviour we can use to identify them. This is a complete about-face on his Day One scum-hunting pep-talk. > [@](#): > > The biggest problem I have with brewha as mafia is that he’d have to have been willing to bus macey day one. That was a wagon that started strong and never let up. It’s not impossible, of course, but I’m extending him some townie cred for it. I’d need to see something an order of magnitude stronger than what you’ve got. This is what JSexton said about the \*\*macey \*\*vote on Day Two: > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT TWO](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/103): > > False dilemma. Voting for Macey early on isn’t the same as conceding him. It’s not uncommon for a scumbuddy to hop on a wagon, and then watch their partner go completely unhinged, and be left with no reasonable way to move their vote. Finally there’s this: > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT FIVE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-five/480855/171): > > MHaye is off the table for me for today, until we can test him out and comb through his claim properly. > I still read brewha as town, as outlined before. > amrussell is my first choice for lynch, but no one is feeling that. > > So, I have to vote Hal. I’m not wholly convinced, but of those with a shot to be lynched, I think he’s the best choice. Now, the timing of this vote is suspicious, because this was the beginning of the swing back to \*\*Hal \*\*which led to his lynch. But note what he says about me. Two questions: 1. Where’s my pitbull challenge? I actually made a point of engaging with **JSexton** ’s earlier criticisms, but I’ve heard nothing back. Not even the “difference in playstyles” concession that \*\*Hawkeye \*\*got. It feels like I’m just being kept on the boil. 2) **Many** people have publicly voiced suspicion of me, including two of our confirmed town. Frankly, I thought there was a good chance they’d swing my way at the last minute. But it’s certainly true that \*\*Hal \*\*is a likelier candidate at this point; even a wishy-washy vote could easily be enough to push him over the edge. For scum, why not go for him first and keep me for later? So, Because he’s talked a good game, but produced very little; Because the one exception to this is the attack on the PFK; Because he’s smudged me for following his reasoning on finding scum; Because he’s contradicted himself on brewha/macey and on what scum do and don’t do; Because he hasn’t lived up to his admitted pitbull status, but instead has smudged and hinted and even gone two Days with no vote: I’m going to: **unvote MHaye** **vote JSexton** ---
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/46 "2009-01-20T00:49:47Z")
As for a mass claim…I can see both sides but am going to take the \*\*against \*\*position. In theory: a loss/benefit comparison comes out as a wash, IMHO. We would narrow down the pool of unknowns, which would help us with voting. However, the remaining power roles would have giant targets painted on their heads, and scum have been gunning hard for the power roles. In practice: I’m generally against mass claims on principle, so I fall slightly on the side of against. In this game, as someone wisely pointed out, no role so far has been straightforward. There’s too much room for creativity, and scum could all too easily come up with something to claim. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/47 "2009-01-20T01:03:59Z")
So, um, did I kill this game somehow, or what? ---
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/48 "2009-01-20T01:09:29Z")
Speaking of creativity and false roles, I actually like the idea of testing **MHaye** ’s claim toNight. I’ve been teetering on the edge between voting for him (all the obvious, popular reasons) and defending him (that PM looks SO real to me, and _something_ was fishy last Night regarding Cookies’ death). Hence, I’ve kept really quiet and left my vote on **Nanook**. (I still think we should lynch **Nanook** , btw. Let’s not let him off the hook for disappearing again.) If **MHaye** is not really the Hillbilly, then he’ll simply get Vigged, and we’ve bagged ourselves a scum. If he is the Hillbilly, the Vig will be frightened off and we’ll have confirmation. **MHaye** will then be a powerful addition to our Masonry, and he will be un-nightkillable until he actually protects a townie from a scum kill. It’s a great role to have, and one that I’d be sorry to lose. The evidence against him is good, but not so good I’m willing to risk this role. If he is scum, he’ll be dead either way. Cons, as far as testing **MHaye** : What if we don’t have a Vig? I propose that the Vig should claim tomorrow to confirm **MHaye** –if he’s still alive. The whole plan does risk outing the Vig. But the risk of finding scum is worth it. I think there’s a decent chance that the Vig won’t have to claim, because **MHaye** will die. Pros: If **MHaye** dies, and we lynch a scum toDay, we can get TWO kills in one fell swoop. It allows us to concentrate on other players toDay, assuming he either dies or is confirmed toNight. That’s the big upside. I’m not usually for telling the Vig what to do, but I think it works here due to the mechanics of **MHaye** ’s claimed role. If there is no death and it turns out there is no Vig, then we’ve lost nothing. You all can lynch **MHaye** tomorrow, though I’m probably still not going to feel good about doing so myself. The two supporters of this plan so far are **JSexton** , who has racked up some votes (I think **amrussell** ’s, in particular, is fair but misguided; more on that later), and **hawkeyeop** , an almost dead townie with no vote. So this isn’t popular. But I’m going back it anyway, because I think it’s a worthwhile course of action. I updated the spreadsheet, by the way, and I’ll be back with some vote analysis and a possible vote change in a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/49 "2009-01-20T01:13:23Z")
> [@Millit\_the\_Frail](#): > > The two supporters of this plan so far are **JSexton** , who has racked up some votes (I think **amrussell** ’s, in particular, is fair but misguided; more on that later), and **hawkeyeop** , an almost dead townie with no vote. So this isn’t popular. But I’m going back it anyway, because I think it’s a worthwhile course of action. Wait what am I in favor of? I don’t advocate testing Mhaye. I believe Mhaye and would rather focus our resources elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/50 "2009-01-20T01:18:41Z")
NETA: I look like I’m contradicting myself there, so let me clarify: When I said “I think there’s a decent chance that the Vig won’t have to claim, because MHaye will die,” I chose a poor word: “decent.” That implies I think it’s more than likely he’s scum. And then I go and say I won’t vote for him tomorrow. :smack: “Decent” is one of those words I overuse, and by “a decent chance,” I just mean “a chance.” Maybe it’s a colloquial thing. To be more precise, I think there’s a \<50% chance he’s scum and a \>50% chance he’s the Hillbilly, and that’s why I won’t vote for him. Sometimes I feel it’s 30/70, sometimes it’s 49/51. ---
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/51 "2009-01-20T01:22:01Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > Wait what am I in favor of? I don’t advocate testing Mhaye. I believe Mhaye and would rather focus our resources elsewhere. Sorry! For some reason, I took “I didn’t really expect to say this, but Mhaye rationale makes sense” as you saying that JSexton’s idea about MHaye making sense. I was just skimming (I admit it) through the thread while making the end of my post to see who else wanted to do the test. Apologies for misrepresenting you. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/52 "2009-01-20T01:27:02Z")
Maybe you confused me with Hawkeye, Millt? Last paragraph of [Post 38](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10713956&postcount=38). I really dont’ see a downside to a test - except giving scum one more day to live if he is scum and there is no vig. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/53 "2009-01-20T01:42:29Z")
> [@Millit\_the\_Frail](#): > > Speaking of creativity and false roles, I actually like the idea of testing **MHaye** ’s claim toNight. I’ve been teetering on the edge between voting for him (all the obvious, popular reasons) and defending him (that PM looks SO real to me, and _something_ was fishy last Night regarding Cookies’ death). Hence, I’ve kept really quiet and left my vote on **Nanook**. (I still think we should lynch **Nanook** , btw. Let’s not let him off the hook for disappearing again.) If **MHaye** is not really the Hillbilly, then he’ll simply get Vigged, and we’ve bagged ourselves a scum. If he is the Hillbilly, the Vig will be frightened off and we’ll have confirmation. **MHaye** will then be a powerful addition to our Masonry, and he will be un-nightkillable until he actually protects a townie from a scum kill. It’s a great role to have, and one that I’d be sorry to lose. The evidence against him is good, but not so good I’m willing to risk this role. If he is scum, he’ll be dead either way. We’ll only have a confirmation of his power (or some other protective power Scum or otherwise), not his alignment. ---
**Author:** ![dotchan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@dotchan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dotchan)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/54 "2009-01-20T01:50:23Z")
**vote Nanook** Because I’m not buying that “bored with the game” explanation to why he’s been low participation. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/55 "2009-01-20T01:51:32Z")
And crap, I knew the Day ended Tuesday, but with the frigid weather closing school and the holiday today, It didn’t really feel like Monday. Our masons are voting for MHaye. our ‘confirmed’ total isn’t voting. for that reason, and my general mistrust that’s been stated in other posts, I’m going to **vote MHaye**. This might seem like a big change,but yesterDay, I did try voting for MHaye until our confirmed abandoned it. Then I went back to my own independent thinking. I may well do that before deadline again after spending some time re-reading. I’m not confident we have a Vig. I’m also not confident in an open attempt on \*\*MHaye \*\*proving anything. Also, As for the claiimg, I’m going to vote **ambivalent**. It’s probably too late to get it before Day ends anyway at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/56 "2009-01-20T01:52:10Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > Maybe you confused me with Hawkeye, Millt? Last paragraph of [Post 38](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10713956&postcount=38). > > I really dont’ see a downside to a test - except giving scum one more day to live if he is scum and there is no vig. No, actually, I didn’t see you. Oops. Anyway, I think my point stands–it’s not a popular idea, but I like it. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/57 "2009-01-20T02:09:58Z")
Hey…uh…apologies for being so quiet, there really hasn’t been much to discuss. I’m going to look over special ed soon, see if I can find anything. So is that a ‘no’ on the player list, storyteller? ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/58 "2009-01-20T02:39:18Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > Maybe you confused me with Hawkeye, Millt? Last paragraph of [Post 38](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10713956&postcount=38). > > I really dont’ see a downside to a test - except giving scum one more day to live if he is scum and there is no vig. Well if he is scum. If he is town we waste a vig hit and his first protection. Plus, the scum might be able to also target Mhaye, and somehow get Mhaye to kill the Vig, and make Mhaye a vanilla. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/59 "2009-01-20T03:08:00Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > On updating my vote count: **Hockey Monkey** , are you sure you unvoted Almost Human? > > On **Millit** : both Day Four and Five she went after lurkers (BlaM, Hal and Nanook). Generally she asks questions and gives reasons for her votes, so nothing that stands out. > > On **Almost Human** : Bit less townie feel than Millit, but nothing scummy. So I’m still leaning town, for reason mentioned above. > > I’ll leave Nanook for tomorrow and adding Rapier to the list to look at, since I still haven’t found a good place for my vote. If not, **unvote Almost Human**. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695/60 "2009-01-20T03:38:01Z")
> [@amrussell](#): > > Because he’s talked a good game, but produced very little; > Because the one exception to this is the attack on the PFK; > Because he’s smudged me for following his reasoning on finding scum; > Because he’s contradicted himself on brewha/macey and on what scum do and don’t do; > Because he hasn’t lived up to his admitted pitbull status, but instead has smudged and hinted and even gone two Days with no vote: > > I’m going to: Very good. I was expecting something like this after my attack on you yesterday, but I didn’t expect it to be so thorough. Really, it’s very well put together. It’s wrong, of course, but the logic behind it is sound. I’m going to answer all of the above with one simple thing: I’ve consistently been attacked and lynched on this site because I come from a more aggressive mafia environment, even though I don’t think I’ve ever actually been scum here. I made a conscious decision this time to tone it down in a big way. I decided this before I got my role PM, in fact, I made mention of it in the signup thread. What you’re seeing is in fact evidence that I’m not playing like myself. You’re exactly right. But it’s not because I’m scum. It’s because playing like a pitbull simply doesn’t work here. All it does is force a mislynch on me. Now, getting back to what I said, I was expecting an attack from you, and I was expecting that attack to solidify my opinion that you were scum. I was holding off voting you in anticipation of it. Funny thing, though: it didn’t. It’s very well-researched, and the things it’s seeing aren’t manufactured attacks. They are things that a strong townie analyst would see. So, you’ve just made a huge jump from the scum column to the town column. I’m putting this out there in the event that I end up mislynched anyway, despite trying to avoid it, and I don’t want you to get backlash for it. I mean, if this is a scum performance, then bravo, you deserve the win. I don’t think it’s the case. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-six/481695.md?page=4)