# Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT THREE **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 1, 2009, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484 "2009-01-01T18:31:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/221 "2009-01-06T19:52:45Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > NETA: Even if she is scum it’s a bad idea. > > I am actually kinda shocked that no one else sees that. See and I think lynching her isn’t a terrible idea even if she ends up town. At least we would know ToTaL lOsT (just keeping all my options open for future PMs :p) ) is town. Explain how we would be better off lynching a potential town member then lynching a scum Cookies. Keep in mind we don’t have any reason to actually trust you. Let us say for simplicity’s sake the options are Cookies and Zerial Lynch Cookies Investigate Zerial If they both come up town we will have one confirmed non-scum in TL and one potentially confirmable after your death. If Cookies comes up scum we will have a lynched scum and whatever you find on Zerial. If Zerial is scum, and Cookies comes up not that would be helpful, but there isn’t a reason to think that is more likely than Cookies being scum, and Zerial town. Plus we would still gain that info on TL. Lynch Zerial Investigate Cookies If they are both town then we will still have a lynched townies, but now we will have people in Cookies and Zerial that we are relying on your word for. So we would have nothing confirmed until your death, and even after no more information then we would have had otherwise. If Zerial comes up town and Cookies scum we will have wasted a kill on Zerial still have to deal with Cookies, and still have not added to our mason ranks. There is no reason to not lynch who we are most suspicious for, and Cookies claim actually increases the advantage of lynching her, since it would potentially give us more information. You are pushing suspect logic very hard, which doesn’t mean you are scum, but then again maybe it does. The longer into this game the more I go back to my first three suspects. Amrussell’s insistence on waiting on the most suspicious players, along with Naf’s push for a very specific town strategy as “Right”, and Cookies overly defensive play, all lead me to believe I was on the right track. I can’t force you to get of rid of any of them, but I highly suggest that none of them make the end game. And that Naf is taken out before he wants to be. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/222 "2009-01-06T20:33:12Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > NETA: Even if she is scum it’s a bad idea. > > I am actually kinda shocked that no one else sees that. You mean because if you investigate scum, it gives you more [credit](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10638796&postcount=12)? Or did you have something else in mind? One other thing I can think of is that it would give the vigilante a nice target, since you get the result in the Night. And if Cookies turns up town while you say scum, we can lynch you the Day after right away :). Also knowing Cookies alignment means we can go back looking at votes with Hawk’s [relation card piles](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10644706&postcount=58). I see now I left out the ignored-Hawk/Cookies-debacle’ pile. Blaster Master should be on that one, but I’ll have to look for others [QUOTE=Hawkeyeop] Lynch Cookies Investigate Zerial If they both come up town we will have one confirmed non-scum in TL and one potentially confirmable after your death. [/QUOTE] Regardless whether **Cookies** claim is true or not: does anyone have a better idea what the purpose of Cookies role is? Just her knowing **Total Lost** is not scum seems a bit mundane. So like the vanilla Alpha/Beta I suspect something hidden attached, only not spelled out by **Story**. The closest I could find in the wiki was that they could be lovers or siblings. Or maybe Cookies is a lynch bodyguard for Total Lost (because she knows she (?) is not Deadite)? Total Lost says she has no information about Cookies. Just some thoughts about whether the claim makes sense (or how likely it is Cookies snipped something out), but with talking-dog-NAF it doesn’t say much. Not intended as fishing, the reason I was thinking about it was: even if Cookies comes up town, would Story have given him false info in the PM? I doubt that is it, but just I think there might be more to it than just a birthmark which somehow tells someone is not scum. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/223 "2009-01-06T20:44:02Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > NETA: Even if she is scum it’s a bad idea. > > I am actually kinda shocked that no one else sees that. Until you explain… Unvote Cookies Vote NAF My god, I’ve turned into Boozahol! ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/224 "2009-01-06T20:53:08Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > Anyone know how many days we have til Lynch or Lose? I did some calculations [Night Two](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10635345&postcount=258), updated for the death of **Hawk** , **Chucara** and the last part of macey: It’s now Night Three with twenty players alive. Assuming three fully alive scum left, two Night kills and leaving out the one-fifths (Hawk already said he had info he wouldn’t last forever): Day Four: 15/3, D5: 12/3, D6: 8/3, D7: 5/3 (LyLo assuming second Night kill is town as well). So I think Day Seven is too late if we want to confirm NAF, unless we find and kill scum before then. It also gets delayed if the we get less Night kills, otherwise I think Night Five by vigilante or Day Six lynch to kill is best. Night Six the latest if vigilante is still alive, for an extra investigation. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/225 "2009-01-06T20:54:47Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Until you explain… > > Unvote Cookies > Vote NAF > > My god, I’ve turned into Boozahol! Read toNight again and see what I have been “explaining” for the last several pages. If you aren’t going to attempt to think I would rather you lynch me. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/226 "2009-01-06T20:58:49Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Read toNight again and see what I have been “explaining” for the last several pages. > > If you aren’t going to attempt to think I would rather you lynch me. I did. I still don’t see it. Why is it bad to lynch scum again? Well, bad for us anyway. You’ve already said it’s bad for you. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/227 "2009-01-06T20:59:54Z")
Further to that point, Hawk is sorta right. I think that Zeriel/Cookies as lynch candidates is a bad choice, but there is a risk if we don’t lynch Cookies. I am not totally blind to that. But the risk isn’t any more significant than if we did lynch her. The reason I say this is THE CURRENT CASE AGAINST COOKIES IS BEYOND STUPID. Read it twice. We are talking about lynching her why again? Because Total Lost’s name, which would seem to have never been capitalized any time Story wrote it, wasn’t capitalized in the PM post that she quoted? REALLY? When there are other plenty good targets out there. I think I made a fairly solid case for MHaye a little ways up. Did anyone other than MHaye bother to look at it? I think that amrussel has been showing some sketchy behavior, is anyone talking about him? How about Hockey Monkey? Did anyone actually bother to look at the people who initially reacted violently to my claim? I am frustrated beyond belief at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/228 "2009-01-06T21:01:48Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > Not intended as fishing, the reason I was thinking about it was: even if Cookies comes up town, would Story have given him false info in the PM? I doubt that is it, but just I think there might be more to it than just a birthmark which somehow tells someone is not scum. Let’s see if we can get any info on that one: **Story: Did you put anything untrue in a PM? Would you have any objection to someone making up a false PM and posting it in here?** And just for the record: **Cookies** ’s female and **Chuc** ’s male 😉 ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/229 "2009-01-06T21:04:20Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > I did. I still don’t see it. Why is it bad to lynch scum again? Well, bad for us anyway. You’ve already said it’s bad for you. Ok, once, really slow. If she is scum, I will uncover it. You then have me confirmed. This is good yes? If she isn’t scum and you lynch her anyway it is a wagon built by a mason who is acting uncharacteristically stupid and the person who gets confirmed as town by her death. We will be back at square one if she is town. So that is a net loss. If the case against her had real merrit I might not be opposed, but if she is scum and you lynch her you still don’t gain anything other than one more scum down and the scum get another Night to entrench their hiding places and we gain less then if we wait one Day, ONE DAY, for me to investigate her. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/230 "2009-01-06T21:10:54Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I am frustrated beyond belief at this point. Don’t be! No - we are not all morons No - we didn’t miss that my name can be mis-spelled BUT - I’m feeling very suspicious of **Cookie** because I can’t see any reason for her to get that info on me. And I can see you have a plan (and if I disregard my love for you) and I might be able to trust you… but (a big BUT) with you defending **Cookie** and working so hard for a no-lynch of her, I’m really not sure what’s going on right now. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/231 "2009-01-06T21:12:13Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > REALLY? When there are other plenty good targets out there. I think I made a fairly solid case for MHaye a little ways up. Did anyone other than MHaye bother to look at it? Why no vote from you then if you got a solid case? And when I did look at it and said what I thought scummy about **MHaye** (that his summarizing the case against **Chucara** I didn’t find too scummy, but his votes right before Dusk are convenient as scum) you found that scummy. But I’ll look again if it makes you happy :dubious:. @ **Total Lost** , the she with a question mark was referring to you (Cookies knowing you’re not Deadite). Not correct? ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/232 "2009-01-06T21:19:26Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Ok, once, really slow. > > If she is scum, I will uncover it. You then have me confirmed. You will have go slower, since I’m not seeing how this would in any shape or form confirm you. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/233 "2009-01-06T21:22:38Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > @ **Total Lost** , the she with a question mark was referring to you (Cookies knowing you’re not Deadite). Not correct? Not sure I get what you’re getting at… I have NO way of knowing what **Cookie** knows 🙂 Buf if you want me to say or clarify anything - please let me know! ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/234 "2009-01-06T21:24:56Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > (Hawk already said he had info he wouldn’t last forever): That is exactly what I said in the same way that black is really close to white. I said I have NO information on how long I’ll last, but I suspect that it won’t last too much longer. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/235 "2009-01-06T21:30:08Z")
Not correct that you are female I meant, **Total Lost** 😕 > [@Haweyeop](#): > > Hey, I resent that. I’m only mostly dead. But yes my opinions are only that of an observer. I have no access to additional information. > > Since I probably won’t be partially alive too much longer ( **I have specific info on this front** ) I’ll get my thoughts out there while I can. I only noticed the bolded sentence (bolding mine), although the sentence above it says you don’t :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/236 "2009-01-06T21:34:32Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > Not correct that you are female I meant, **Total Lost** 😕 > > I only noticed the bolded sentence (bolding mine), although the sentence above it says you don’t :smack: I knew I should of checked if i made a typo before correcting you. That should say I have no specific info. My fault. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/237 "2009-01-06T21:36:29Z")
Just spamming now, because it should be dawn around now, right? I want to know if I’m alive before going to sleep :). And the Total Lost confusion comes from my bad English, I was trying to clarify this sentence: (because she knows she (?) is not Deadite) with (Cookies knowing you’re not Deadite). I know Cookies is a she, but wasn’t sure you are and somehow ended up with two shes. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/238 "2009-01-06T21:36:51Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > Not correct that you are female I meant, **Total Lost** 😕 Sorry - not only am I female (which can be confusing on it’s own) but I’m also Danish (and don’t allways get the subtle tones in a question) 😛 ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/239 "2009-01-06T21:38:53Z")
You know, I am playing frustrated and that is a bad place for me to be. You all do what you want, I am going to be in my corner putting together cases and investigating the statements that I have. Kill me when you need to, but I think for my own sanity I need to back off a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/240 "2009-01-06T21:39:17Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > You will have go slower, since I’m not seeing how this would in any shape or form confirm you. Yeah. Attacking scum != Town. And if she is scum, I’d rather have her dead sooner than later. That takes priority over putting a + on the townie column of a detective. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484.md?page=13)