# Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT THREE **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 1, 2009, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484 "2009-01-01T18:31:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2009, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/81 "2009-01-03T21:20:24Z")
2 questions have occurred to me. 1. Who are the dead people? I’m assuming that \*\*DiggitCamara \*\*cannot question the ‘mostly dead’ people. 2. Do we really believe **Thing Fish** got their results from the investigation if he was killed in the Night? ---
**Author:** ![dotchan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@dotchan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dotchan)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2009, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/82 "2009-01-03T21:43:33Z")
Since the mostly dead people can still post if they feel like it, I don’t see a point in having a power to talk to them… ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2009, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/83 "2009-01-03T21:47:25Z")
> [@dotchan](#): > > Since the mostly dead people can still post if they feel like it, I don’t see a point in having a power to talk to them… I have not seen any one dead besides **Hawk** having been able to post _in here_. But dead scum might somewhere else?? ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2009, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/84 "2009-01-03T21:58:50Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > You can talk AND vote while being dead? > I could get very paranoid right now if **Story** hadn’t been so nice as to say “no recruitment” 😉 I can’t vote. Just make subtle _VOTE COOKIES_ suggestions. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2009, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/85 "2009-01-03T22:28:40Z")
So I still have no computer and posting from my phone is a pain in the ass. unvote chucara I will be following along and will post if I have to and as soon as I an ready to revote someone I will. Other than that don’t expect tooich from me till Monday. ---
**Author:** ![dotchan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@dotchan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dotchan)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2009, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/86 "2009-01-03T23:06:16Z")
> [@](#): > > MACEY, The Prince of Blades, a Deadite (Scum) Strongman, has been lynched. > > And he’s mostly dead. > > But not all dead. > > He’s too dead for his vote to count. He’s way too dead to lynch, or to Night kill. _He’s not too dead to talk, though_. (Emphasis mine.) > [@](#): > > BUFFTABBY, the Skanky Vampire Demon, a Scum Roleblocker, _is about as dead as MACEY_. …and then we had this Morning’s reveal. Seems fairly obvious that the mostly deads can still post to the game thread regardless of alignment. ---
**Author:** ![Chucara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Chucara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chucara)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2009, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/87 "2009-01-03T23:41:05Z")
Before anyone starts suggesting to vote in place of hawkeye, I’ll say this: We could easily pick the scummiest people to vote whatever dead townies suggest, but it would ruin the information we would get form their votes which IMO is more valueable than having one vote moved from a potential scum to a confirm townie. That being said, looking into whoever they suggest is not a bad idea at all. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2009, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/88 "2009-01-04T00:33:09Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > I fail to see the logic in that statement. If you’re happy with your vote on Blaster Master why would you be “forced” to move it? > I don’t understand why you’re not voting for whoever you see as most scummy. If you think Diggitcamara is a good candicate… why would you feel that you are _forced_ to vote him? I think he means that he’s forced to move his vote to a candidate with a good chance of getting lynched, so he isn’t up on the chopping block himself. > [@Almost\_Human](#): > > Sorry, I’ve got man 'flu What’s man-flu? > [@DiggitCamara](#): > > Well, I’ve been thinking if I should say this but, since we have currently a tie in votes, threatening to spill over to my side, I’ll try at least to help clear myself. > > The “knocking sounds” toDay? They’re due to three questions I asked **Thing Fish** toNight. > I really don’t think you guys should be voting for me. …I’m not sure I believe you. But that’s at least partially confirmable. Unvote DiggitCamara P.S. What does Camara mean? > [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > Well, apparently I can still talk strategy. So I can point out how nice it is, now that you know that I’m town that Cookies has NO votes. Sigh. Town seems more concerned about confirming Naf’s powers than finding scum today. Which is silly because it is highly unlikely Naf is lying about his powers. It is much more likely he is lying about his win condition. All that is being currently accomplished is allowing the scum to have a better idea who has power roles, and preventing Naf from "confirming"townies. Naf is I were you I’d be looking at lurkers (Mhaye, Hal, Blaster etc) that we aren’t going to be able to get a good read on otherwise. I said that if you were town I’d look more closely at your results, and I will. NAF’s a confirmable power role, and I still have that gut feeling about Cookies, so for now I’ll Vote amrussel but since I suspect Chuc is a deadbeat, I don’t have a problem with his lynch. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2009, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/89 "2009-01-04T00:53:43Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > Well, apparently I can still talk strategy. So I can point out how nice it is, \*\*now that you know that I’m town that Cookies has NO votes. \*\*Sigh. Town seems more concerned about confirming Naf’s powers than finding scum today. Which is silly because it is highly unlikely Naf is lying about his powers. **It is much more likely he is lying about his win condition**. All that is being currently accomplished is allowing the scum to have a better idea who has power roles, and preventing Naf from "confirming"townies. Naf is I were you I’d be looking at lurkers (Mhaye, Hal, Blaster etc) that we aren’t going to be able to get a good read on otherwise. Bolding mine. I didn’t want to snip for fear taking it out of context. First bold. Hawkeye, I thought you had conceded that the dispute you had with Cookies was just due to a difference in strategies. Maybe it was someone esle. I’ll have to go back and look. But as I recall, Cookies did try to discourage the Macey vote. And that’s as good of a lead as I have on anyone at this point. Vote **Cookies** As for the second bold. This is exactly what I said after Naf claimed. It’s just like the power Hal Briston had in the Batman mafia - if he figured everyone out he, and only he, wins. So, yeah I’m a little leary of giving NAF too much info. ---
**Author:** ![Chucara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Chucara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chucara)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2009, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/90 "2009-01-04T01:26:58Z")
brewha: Can you elaborate on Hal Briston in Batman? I’m not saying that NAF might not be PFK (or scum), but I think we should not kill him until he has confirmed a few people. Then we can kill him to confirm that he is town. Screw it, maybe it is better just to have NAF confirm people. If he is town, scum is going to kill him anyway, and if he isn’t we’ll make sure to lynch him before he can reach such a win condition. \*\*NAF, \*\* please confirm that you’ve read this. Don’t investigate my Alhpa/Beta status, just investigate people as you see fit, trying to avoid masons. Let me know if you disagree. I still won’t give up my alpha/beta status, as there might be PFKs who need it for something. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2009, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/91 "2009-01-04T01:32:54Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > 2 questions have occurred to me. > > 1. Who are the dead people? I’m assuming that \*\*DiggitCamara \*\*cannot question the ‘mostly dead’ people. > > 2. Do we really believe **Thing Fish** got their results from the investigation if he was killed in the Night? It’s not uncommon to have abilities work even when killed. Say the doc is targeted for a kill by the mafia, and player X is targeted for a kill by the SK. Say the doc protected player X. I would expect that only the doc dies that night. By that logic, Thing Fish should have received results. In most games, it would be a moot point, but in a game where players don’t always die all the way? Pretty important, I’d say. > [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > I can’t vote. Just make subtle _VOTE COOKIES_ suggestions. Even in light of the claim? > [@brewha](#): > > Bolding mine. I didn’t want to snip for fear taking it out of context. > > First bold. > Hawkeye, I thought you had conceded that the dispute you had with Cookies was just due to a difference in strategies. Maybe it was someone esle. I’ll have to go back and look. I think you’re thinking of hawkeye and me, not cookies. > [@](#): > > But as I recall, Cookies did try to discourage the Macey vote. And that’s as good of a lead as I have on anyone at this point. > > As for the second bold. This is exactly what I said after Naf claimed. It’s just like the power Hal Briston had in the Batman mafia - if he figured everyone out he, and only he, wins. So, yeah I’m a little leary of giving NAF too much info. Interesting. Can you elaborate on that role? I didn’t read Batman. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2009, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/92 "2009-01-04T01:33:58Z")
> [@Chucara](#): > > brewha: Can you elaborate on Hal Briston in Batman? > > \ > > Don’t investigate my Alhpa/Beta status, just investigate people as you see fit, trying to avoid masons. Let me know if you disagree. I still won’t give up my alpha/beta status, as there might be PFKs who need it for something. Well, that’s certainly a different tune then the one you had Day one. I might start to be less suspicious of you. Maybe. And in Batman, Hal Briston was the Riddler. His goal was to learn the roles of all the players in the game, at which point he would win and leave the game. He managed to talk everyone into a mass role claim, which was great for him, but he still hadn’t managed to work out which scum were which before they got him. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2009, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/93 "2009-01-04T01:48:49Z")
I read your post chucara. I would understand the fear of me more if what I was doing was anything like what Hal did. All I can do is determin the truth of a statement that has no grey area. What win condition could I possibly be fullfilling? What information could I be collecting by asking if pee are town? Also I suspect that my power as I am using it would see through a godfather type. Ok that’s it for now. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2009, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/94 "2009-01-04T02:08:47Z")
I read your post chucara. I would understand the fear of me more if what I was doing was anything like what Hal did. All I can do is determin the truth of a statement that has no grey area. What win condition could I possibly be fullfilling? What information could I be collecting by asking if pee are town? Also I suspect that my power as I am using it would see through a godfather type. Ok that’s it for now. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2009, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/95 "2009-01-04T02:10:30Z")
Time delayed double post. Awesome ---
**Author:** ![Chucara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Chucara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chucara)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2009, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/96 "2009-01-04T02:17:00Z")
Well it isn’t as much that I think you’re not town as much as I think it might just be better to confirm town instead of confirm you. You will be confirmed eventually anyway, and I’m kinda doing a 180 here, but in end game I think it is more valuable to have one more confirmed town than a semi-confirmed investigator. pedescribe: By all means be suspicious of me. I didn’t actually push for a alpha/beta claim, although I was floating the idea rather carelessly. Read my rants above and you’ll see that I have a tendency to rave away about ideas… I’ll try to limit myself in the future 😉 ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2009, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/97 "2009-01-04T02:23:17Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > (snip) > > P.S. What does Camara mean? > > (snip) It’s my surname. In Spanish, it can mean “Camera” and “Chamber”. My guess is its original meaning is more likely to be “Chamber”, though. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2009, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/98 "2009-01-04T02:30:49Z")
> [@Chucara](#): > > (snip) I don’t know if there are any rules as to how to question must be formulated or how long it can be, but here goes (snip) The question may be as long and as elaborate as I want it to be. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2009, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/99 "2009-01-04T02:33:15Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > The question may be as long and as elaborate as I want it to be. And, it’s three questions I may ask. ---
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2009, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484/100 "2009-01-04T06:22:16Z")
Crap crap crap! These days are too short, and I’ve been on the road all day and probably won’t be back until tomorrow night. I just realized that will be too late to vote then, and it’s after 1AM and I need to go to bed. What’s up toDay? There’s very little posting but a lot going on. I worry that we may be letting power roles do all the work for us. :dubious: And we’re not even certain about their claims yet–there’s no way to know for sure who’s telling the truth and about what. Can we trust **DC**? The knocks are there, but he could be lying about the questions. I had a great reason to put my vote on him (the **macey** diversion vote), and now I have no other candidates jumping out at me. I imagine that there will be a flurry of voting tomorrow morning as you all decide what to make of the new claim, but I’m going to leave my vote where it is, try to get online in the morning, and see how things check out. We’ve all been suspicious of **NAF** ’s claim–why are we so eager to believe **DC**? I mean, I’m leaning toward **NAF** being totally above board, but we’ve got to be cautious, people. And why are we now claiming Alpha and Beta? I thought we had decided it was not a good idea, for fear of outing power roles. Even though I’m pretty much trusting **NAF** … [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-three/479484.md?page=6)