# Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT TWO **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 27, 2008, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862 "2008-12-27T18:15:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/201 "2008-12-30T23:53:10Z")
:rolleyes: Ted, U;n oti-yiebm sd tiy erkk jbie, ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/202 "2008-12-30T23:55:05Z")
Whoops. Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Chucara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Chucara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chucara)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/203 "2008-12-31T01:02:30Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Yay! Alright, I think it’s a good assumption that the Predator (what the hell?) was one of the deadbeats. I mean, could you imagine him going to high school/college/whatever? And on that note, I bet that Chuc is the other deadbeat. While I think Hawkeyeop is scum, I’d rather just get both our PFKs right now. > > Unvote Hawkeye > Vote Chuc Wait what? Do you care to elaborate how you reached that conclusion? And what gives with the “the other deadbeat part”? Is deadbeat = deadite, and how would you know how many there are? You prefer to kill PFK over scum when we “only” have two dead scum? I usually avoid voting for someone voting for me, but this post pings me more than anything so far in this game. **unvote Blaster Master** **vote pedescribe** On a side note, should I die tonight, look a bit more into pedescribe and NAF. Finally, I think we should vote as usual during the nights in case we do indeed get an extra night lynch. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/204 "2008-12-31T01:15:12Z")
Everyone is pulling out their scumdar, so let’s see what mine is pinging.. > [@NAF1138](#): > > That being said, I am mostly asking people I already suspect to be pro-town (other than AH, my FOS is still on her but I was talking to her anyway.) > > But note both Peeker and Chucara have ignored it. Peeker was scum (of a sort) so I put that as another check in the vote for Chucara collumn. **Peeker** answered ‘It will be a mind blower, I promise you.’ and **Chucara** did say he did a quick read. So he probably missed your question rather than having ignored it. Note, I’m voting for **dotchan** for voting-without-reading-up, in both cases the reasons aren’t terribly good, so you using this question seems like grasping at straws. > [@](#): > > If anyone wants to just volunteer the answer without being asked though, feel free. It isn’t a game mechanic or anything, I am just doing some psychological testing on the group for my own amusement. Amusement? You just used it against **Chucara**! Why aren’t you asking town, third-party or deadite? Sure, everyone will answer town instead of pro-town, but since we’re asking anyway :). If you answer Deadite or scum please post your role PM, so we can decide the best lynch order. Townies shouldn’t of course to avoid giving scum target information. I’m town. \ Are you town or just a PFK playing pro-town for the moment? Or didn’t you answer your own question truthfully and you’re lying scum? Hmmm? > [@dotchan](#): > > Like I said earlier, I’m skeptical that testing the Night voting mechanic would work (since, IMHO, it’d be trivial for the scum to screw with us) but if I had to be lynched (again, sigh) it might as well be For Science. Since it is suggested as playing it as Day 2.5, how is it (more) trivial than during a normal Day? Don’t say because it’s 24 hours less, half the votes seem to be cast in the last 12 hours anyway. > [@JSexton](#): > > I think this completely, utterly, and in all other ways, wrong. We just cut the number of non-town nightkills in half (yes, yes, assuming both pfks can’t kill). Do you realize how big that is? It extends the game considerably, and longer games tend to be better for town. Probably a not much, but two PFKs is a guesstimate right or do you know more? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/205 "2008-12-31T01:29:40Z")
> [@Chucara](#): > > **unvote Blaster Master** > **vote pedescribe** Did you just vote a practically confirmed mason? Now, I agree **pedescribe** makes weird votes sometimes (for example **Thing Fish** in Night One for a vote he didn’t make), but that’s no excuse for you to do it. **Unvote dotchan** **vote Chucara** ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/206 "2008-12-31T01:37:14Z")
Oh, that answers my own question for **JSexton** , **pedescribe** role PM suggested two PFKs (called party crashers, deadbeats IIRC), my bad :smack:. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/207 "2008-12-31T01:46:24Z")
I might as well post this I was making based of a **Pleonast** post. Am I missing anything else? PLAYERS DEAD **macey** - Strongman - Prince of Blades - LYNCHED DAY ONE **Thing Fish** - Investigator - Religious Figure Having a Crisis of Faith - KILLED NIGHT ONE **bufftabby** - Role blocker - Skanky Vampire Demon - KILLED NIGHT ONE **Pleonast** - Mason - Sorority Treasurer - KILLED NIGHT ONE **peekercpa** - Serial killer - The Predator - LYNCHED DAY TWO CONFIRMED **pedescribe** - Mason - ? - Pleonast confirmed KNOWN: **CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** is not mason according to pedescribe There are two third-party players according to pedescribe’s role PM Masons do not have an Alpha/Beta split up according to pedescribe. **peekercpa** killed **bufftabby** Night One and got two points for it UNKNOWN **brewha** **mhaye** **Blaster Master** **NAF1138** **Diggitcamara** **Nanook of the North Shore** **Hockey Monkey** **JSexton** **Millit the Frail** **Zeriel** **Hal Briston** **Almost Human** **Total Lost** **Rapier42** **hawkeyeop** **Natlaw** **dotchan** **special ed** **Chucara** **amrussell** Colors: Unknown, Town, Deadite, Third-Party ---
**Author:** ![Chucara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Chucara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chucara)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/208 "2008-12-31T02:20:04Z")
Oh right… I had forgot about the mason claim - mixing up games. **unvote Pedescribe** \*\*vote Blaster Master \*\* Above vote is an indicator of where my highest level of suspicion lies, it’s 3:20 am now, so I still haven’t read all the latest posts. I’ll do so some time in 2009. And yes, I did miss the question. And no, I’m not a deadbeat, or a PFK. And that is a pretty dumb question as I would answer exactly the same if I were a deadite or a PFK. Perhaps if you asked me the same question three times, I would have to tell the truth?\* \*Austin Powers 2 reference ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/209 "2008-12-31T04:12:44Z")
I kinda believe you (about mixing up games), but it doesn’t tell much about your alignment. Not keeping track of the game facts still anti-town, but at least this vote early unlike others. I’ll keep my vote on you for now for the Night Lynch test and will scrutinize your other posts for clues whether to keep it on Day three. Anyway can’t sleep, so made my signature as a [game bookmark](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php). I’ll try to keep it updated (is there a signature limit?). ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/210 "2008-12-31T04:14:56Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > . > I’m town. > \ > Are you town or just a PFK playing pro-town for the moment? Or didn’t you answer your own question truthfully and you’re lying scum? Hmmm? I have gone back and forth on this all Day, but I think it is the town’s best interest that I claim now. I have enough answers front loaded that (hopefully) we should be safe. Clearly I am up to something. So first, to answer Natlaw’s question, I am asking mostly pro town people because I am trying to build a giant masonry. It’s better for cops to examine townies. I am a cop, and rather than me try to explain…here is my PM: [QUOTE=storyteller0910] Welcome to the game; you are **Vincent, the Dog Who Knows Things** **ALIGNMENT:** Town **GENERIC:** Detective **WIN CONDITION:** All Deadites have been vanquished. **BACKGROUND:** In real life, dogs are pleasant companions, frequently entertaining, and usually very affectionate. They can learn a number of impressive tricks, if carefully and properly trained. In horror movies, however, dogs are psychic detectives, able to ferret out ill motives and mistruths long before their profoundly stupid owners. You are such a dog. So well honed are your instincts that you can determine whether a given statement made by an individual is the truth or not. Furthermore, your powers of nonverbal communication are so well-developed that the humans who interact with you are convinced that you are speaking to them in plain English. You’re pretty sure they don’t even realize that you’re a dog. So you’re not exactly among a pack of rocket scientists here, but if the Deadites slaughter the humans, there will be no biscuit, and you wish to eat a biscuit. So you’ll do your thing, growling ominously and hoping this is the kind of movie where the dog outruns the gas main explosion at the last second, and not the kind of movie where the dog takes a bullet for his master. **POWERS:** 1. Once per Day, you may choose any sentence spoken by any player and submit it to the moderators. This may be a sentence of any length, and needn’t be a grammatically correct sentence. It must, however, be a sentence with an absolute truth value. You’re a dog; you’re not so good with shadings. If you choose a statement with a truth value, you will receive a response at dusk: TRUE or FALSE. If you choose a statement without such value (eg, “I don’t trust storyteller”), you will receive an ambiguous reading. (“WOOF?”) [/QUOTE] I used my power yesterDay on Millit saying that he would be fine to truthfully claim, and got back a woof. So once I got an idea of how direct Story wants me to be… I decided to get direct. I can also verify role claims, but I have enough people on record that I can verify, and Hawk is one of them. When he said he was town he was truthful. So to recap, I am a cop. I think we probably have one other investigator, but I can’t be sure so I am asking for doctor protection toNight before it is too late. I am also going to ask the remaining masons to claim. My guess is that there are three of you left including Pede. Me + the masons + Hawk means 5 confirmed townies going into Day 3 with 2 dead deadites. Every Day that I live I can confirm another person who is willing to publicly state their alignment creating a larger masonry. The more people we can trust the better off we are. I think I just broke a large part of the game open for us as a town, particularly now that the SK is dead. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/211 "2008-12-31T04:22:11Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > If anyone wants to just volunteer the answer without being asked though, feel free. It isn’t a game mechanic or anything, I am just doing some psychological testing on the group for my own amusement. Okay, I am not pro-town.\* So do I get a cookie for helping out in your experiment? :dubious: 😃 _But, neither am I pro-anything else. Other than pro-me. 'Cause I’m awesome._\* \*\*I now return you to your regularly scheduled strategizing. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/212 "2008-12-31T04:30:10Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > So first, to answer Natlaw’s question, I am asking mostly pro town people because I am trying to build a giant masonry. It’s better for cops to examine townies. > > I am a cop, and rather than me try to explain…here is my PM: To quote **pedescribe** : looks pretty cool! > [@](#): > > The more people we can trust the better off we are. I think I just broke a large part of the game open for us as a town, particularly now that the SK is dead. Wow, but now I definitely won’t get any sleep. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/213 "2008-12-31T04:42:53Z")
I’m not seeing anything that is confirmable in NAF’s claim at this point without a death. Anyone else? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/214 "2008-12-31T04:47:59Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I have gone back and forth on this all Day, but I think it is the town’s best interest that I claim now. I have enough answers front loaded that (hopefully) we should be safe. > > Clearly I am up to something. > > So first, to answer Natlaw’s question, I am asking mostly pro town people because I am trying to build a giant masonry. It’s better for cops to examine townies. > > I am a cop, and rather than me try to explain…here is my PM: > > I used my power yesterDay on Millit saying that he would be fine to truthfully claim, and got back a woof. So once I got an idea of how direct Story wants me to be… > > I decided to get direct. > > I can also verify role claims, but I have enough people on record that I can verify, and Hawk is one of them. When he said he was town he was truthful. > So to recap, I am a cop. I think we probably have one other investigator, but I can’t be sure so I am asking for doctor protection toNight before it is too late. > > I am also going to ask the remaining masons to claim. My guess is that there are three of you left including Pede. Me + the masons + Hawk means 5 confirmed townies going into Day 3 with 2 dead deadites. Every Day that I live I can confirm another person who is willing to publicly state their alignment creating a larger masonry. > > The more people we can trust the better off we are. I think I just broke a large part of the game open for us as a town, particularly now that the SK is dead. Interesting. If you want to investigate me at any point, I’ll just state that I am Town. I noticed, and I’m sure the scum did, that your PM said 'powers" and ended with the number 1. I need some time to wrap my head around this and look for possible scum motives for this claim. I suppose, instead of creating a giant masonry, you could be creating a giant wifomry. It also seems something that Scum can easily fake, knowing who is not scum (and what PFK is going to go against a fake ‘town’ reading?) More thoughts later after I think this through. I’m not saying I don’t trust you. My gut instinct IS to trust you. I just think we really need to think this through. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/215 "2008-12-31T04:48:28Z")
Not right away. The death would be at Day four though (new investigation, then lynch). Unless the vigilante kills Hawk Tonight. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/216 "2008-12-31T04:49:02Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > I’m not seeing anything that is confirmable in NAF’s claim at this point without a death. Anyone else? Even a death doesn’t confirm him…unless it’s his death. Perhaps we need to allow him to build his formidable masonry and then lynch him. If what he says is true, we can trust what he said previously. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/217 "2008-12-31T04:54:10Z")
Ah yes, a death wouldn’t give absolute confirmation, since his investigations could be wrong (called paranoid cop I think). This could be likely since **Thing Fish** was also an investigator. For the record: my PM has powers the same as **NAF** ’s, so **Story** probably made a typo in yours? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/218 "2008-12-31T05:06:34Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > Ah yes, a death wouldn’t give absolute confirmation, since his investigations could be wrong (called paranoid cop I think). This could be likely since **Thing Fish** was also an investigator. > > For the record: my PM has powers the same as **NAF** ’s, so **Story** probably made a typo in yours? Egad! you’re correct! Mine says Powers too, and then lists only 1. Very odd. ---
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/219 "2008-12-31T05:50:51Z")
Hey all… Millit is a she. Millit is a female. Millit is a her. Millit is a woman. Millit is a Mrs. OK, now that that’s settled, you should have gotten a “TRUE,” because I would have shared my Alpha/Beta persuasion with y’all, and yes, I have one. This whole Vincent thing (love the reference, btw) is pretty nifty, but people have already come along to create doubts. Some good reasons to doubt: 1. We already have (had) ☹ a confirmed Investigator. Would there really be 2 in a game this size? 2. If there are 2, our puppy here could be “paranoid” or unreliable. And in this sort of situation, an unreliable cop is as good as no cop. IMHO. 3. We’ve already killed 2 scum in just under 2 days; they could be scared enough to try a false roleclaim. Especially one that distracts the Doctor. Caution is a good thing. I’m not sure we should talk about lynching him for proof yet. If he is for real, we should probably keep him around for as long as possible. And there’s still a significant chance he’s for real. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/220 "2008-12-31T06:19:42Z")
> [@Millit\_the\_Frail](#): > > OK, now that that’s settled, you should have gotten a “TRUE,” because I would have shared my Alpha/Beta persuasion with y’all, and yes, I have one. This whole Vincent thing (love the reference, btw) is pretty nifty, but people have already come along to create doubts. If I read it right, I think the point is that **Story** can’t be sure if you would be really fine with claiming Alpha/Beta. So only ‘I am a redshirt’ can return TRUE or FALSE. Possibly even a statement like ‘Story is moderating this game’ would return WOOF? > [@](#): > > Caution is a good thing. I’m not sure we should talk about lynching him for proof yet. If he is for real, we should probably keep him around for as long as possible. And there’s still a significant chance he’s for real. Definitely wise words, luckily the Night has just started, Mrs. Millit ;). If you read anything double in that, I didn’t, I swear! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862.md?page=12)