# Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT TWO **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 27, 2008, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862 "2008-12-27T18:15:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/221 "2008-12-31T07:06:06Z")
That’s one cool role. Although we obviously shouldn’t trust NAF 100% I’m a bit concerned potentially lynching him is being discussed already. If he’s lying we’ll no doubt find out soon enough after all though it just sounds true to me right now. That said **unvote hawkeyeop** I will try and make a vote before Night ends but I’m really not feeling anything major right now ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/222 "2008-12-31T07:23:09Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I used my power yesterDay on Millit saying that he would be fine to truthfully claim, and got back a woof. So once I got an idea of how direct Story wants me to be… The **Millit** quote comes from [1.17](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10592948&postcount=17). **pedescribe** made a true/false claim [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10602886&postcount=114), but since he claimed later that Day, it’s no use. Point six in [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10606777&postcount=181) from **JSexton** is just funny in relation to the claim :D. Anyway, I didn’t find better statements to be tested on a quick skim of Day one. > [@](#): > > I can also verify role claims, but I have enough people on record that I can verify, and Hawk is one of them. When he said he was town he was truthful. **NAF** started to ask questions when both **Hawk** and **Cookies** had two votes. So it doesn’t like NAF is scum and trying to protect scum Hawk. I think if **peeker** hadn’t claimed, Hawk would have be lynched. But no way to be sure of that now or at the time when NAF started to ask his questions in [2.83](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10627981&postcount=83). Of course, if NAF is scum and Hawk is town, he could intend us to lynch town and buying him credit at the same time. > [@](#): > > So to recap, I am a cop. I think we probably have one other investigator, but I can’t be sure so I am asking for doctor protection toNight before it is too late. > > I am also going to ask the remaining masons to claim. My guess is that there are three of you left including Pede. Me + the masons + Hawk means 5 confirmed townies going into Day 3 with 2 dead deadites. Every Day that I live I can confirm another person who is willing to publicly state their alignment creating a larger masonry. This is the dubious part of the claim: Like Millit said, we already have a dead cop and because he’s telling what power roles should do. If **NAF** is lying, in one swoop he removes the (probable) protection of the only confirmed town so far, but even if the doctor doesn’t listen, scum gets other confirmed townies to take out. There are currently 22 players left and NAF isn’t confirmed yet (thus Hawk isn’t either). That means the confirmed group is still just the masons. Even if NAF is truthful, masons shouldn’t claim yet imo. The doctor (if any) should decide himself and leave the scum in the dark who he protects. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/223 "2008-12-31T07:23:18Z")
> [@Almost\_Human](#): > > That’s one cool role. > > Although we obviously shouldn’t trust NAF 100% I’m a bit concerned potentially lynching him is being discussed already. If he’s lying we’ll no doubt find out soon enough after all though it just sounds true to me right now. Danger, Will Robinson. As has already been said, at this point the only way we’ll know if he’s lying or not is if he dies, which is why people are talking about lynching him as a source of information. Forgive me if your assertion that it “just sounds true to me” doesn’t fill me with warm fuzzy comfort. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/224 "2008-12-31T07:33:28Z")
That should have been: ‘Like Millit said, we already have a dead cop and NAF thinks there is a third.’ Seems very unlikely to me and could be read as a challenge to that investigator to investigate and claim as well (and to be truly paranoid: Naf could be a scum godfather, so he would get confirmed). ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/225 "2008-12-31T11:32:59Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > I disagree. The Vig can, and should, choose his target however he chooses, if he even exists. He is by no means required to follow the Night votes to make his kill. What if he really thinks that person is innocent? What if the Night votes are on him? My whole point was that I think, on Night One, and especially if we have a compulsory Vig, following the town’s will with his kill is not a bad move. > > What I’m arguing is that necessarily forcing the situation to reveal the Vig’s existence, or lack thereof, doesn’t really gain us any useful information, removes cover for a potential Vig, and, worst of all, has the potential to provide useful information to the scum. > > Further, the SDMB game should be plenty of evidence in and of itself as to how the scum really have no influence over the Vig, because I was reasonably unlynchable, but the lack of accountability by the Vig made me an excellent Vig target. So, yes, forcing the Vig to follow the whims of the town (like I was way back in M2) is bad; however, allowing him some other options is also a good idea. > > So what I propose is simple, we vote as if there’s a Night lynch, and treat all the votes as such. As long as there’s reasonable evidence to support that it’s a possibility, we can continue to assign accountability to Night votes. If the Vig wants, he can follow the votes, which may be a reasonable option if he’s compulsory, or he can follow another lead, or whatever he deems best. Either way, the existence or nonexistence of a Vig is immaterial to leveraging the possibility of a Night lynch to maximizing the information available. I agree with you that the Vig - if (s)he so chooses - can take the vote count into consideration. But I don’t agree that the Vig can be sure to follow the _town_’s will - just by following the way votes are cast. My point is that the scum are also voting and therefore the votes represent a mixture of town’s and scum’s will. That’s all. @ NAFs claim: Wow - just wow. I’m not sure if that the role could be a scum-role?? With **Story** writing the PMs I think faking one will take quite some writing skills. I’m sure **NAF** is a great writer - but faking **Story** ’s way of putting words along with the subtle humor and the ironic understanding of the horror-genre. I believe a least a big part of the PM was made by **Story**. ---
**Author:** ![Chucara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Chucara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chucara)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/226 "2008-12-31T12:41:36Z")
Hm… I don’t really know whether or not to trust the role claim, but for all that’s good and holy, masons should not claim. Even if NAF is telling the truth, I’d rather have him waste an investigation than out the masons so soon. And if NAF isn’t telling the truth, obviously masons shouldn’t claim either. That being said, as his role is at least semi confirmable, I can’t support a NAF lynch. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/227 "2008-12-31T14:20:07Z")
I believe Story did the roles but only one role thing in marvel too. It is an attempt to keep things consistent. Naf, here let me help you out. Brewha is town. Mhaye is town. Blaster Master is town. Diggitcamara is town. pedescribe is town. Nanook of the North Shore is town. Hockey Monkey is town. JSexton is town. Millit the Frail is town. Zeriel is town. Hal Briston is town. Almost Human is town. Amrussell is town. Total Lost is town. Rapier42 is town. Natlaw is town. Dotchem is town. CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies is town. special ed is town. Chucara is town. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/228 "2008-12-31T14:54:48Z")
Hello, all - It has come to moderatorial attention that the moderator is a dimwit. Please be advised that the win condition listed in the official, public vanilla Town PM is the complete, correct, and only Town win condition. If you have access to any information suggesting otherwise, then that information was a moderatorial mistake, borne of too much cutting and pasting and not enough sleep. Please forgive this intrusion. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/229 "2008-12-31T16:13:42Z")
At this point I have done all I can. Lynching me means you don’t get the results of my future Nights investigations, so I think it’s a mistake. I also have a general philosophy that masons should claim as soon as their claiming causes the number of confirmed townies to outnumber scum, I have said this in other games. If the masons want to wait until one of my investigatees turns up scum (my guess is that either AH or Cookies will. Note how Cookies instantly reacted against me when I claimed) so they can be safe, do what you have to. I do think that we are dealing with 6 scum, so we either have several doctors (something I don’t think to be likely because of Story’s pre game chatter) or we have multiple investigators. I don’t think any of us are full cops, but I do think that there is likely one other cop out there. That being said, I do think now was the right time to claim for a variety of reasons. My vote is still on Chucara, but might move to Cookies. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/230 "2008-12-31T16:14:45Z")
NETA: Sorry, I meant to say my future Nights results. The investigations are in the Day the results come at Night. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/231 "2008-12-31T16:17:32Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > This is the dubious part of the claim: > Like Millit said, we already have a dead cop and because he’s telling what power roles should do. Also, let’s be clear. I am not telling I am on the one hand requesting and on the other suggesting. I would like doctor protection, and I think that the masons should claim. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/232 "2008-12-31T16:42:28Z")
OK, first things first: the case against **dotchan**. 1. Low participation (3 posts D/N 1, 6 posts so far D/N 2) - not as low as some, but noticably sparse. Anti-town if not necessarily pro-scum. 2. Her first post is here. Votes for **macey** , FOS’s **Thing Fish** and “raises an eyebrow” at \*\*Cookies \*\*for being “rather opportunistic” - i.e voting for **JSexton**. No explanation of why that’s opportunistic. What jumps out of this post is that it’s very “me-too”. Not only voting for \*\*macey \*\*(5th vote) but also FOSing **Thing Fish** , who’s second. It seems like a very conscious effort to stick with the crowd. 1. Other haven’t mentioned it, but I felt her post here was very smudgy (my bolding): > [@Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT ONE](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-one/477854/252): > > amrussell, the reason Thing Fish fell under suspicion was to suggest that the lynch pool was only two candidates **(in fact, his words were remarkably similar to yours :dubious: )**, but don’t take our word for it, **read Day One for yourself**. Looks to me like she’s trying a) to lump me in with TF and b) suggest I’ve been skimming - ironic, considering what happens next. > [@dotchan](#): > > vote CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies > > Her votes yesterDay were almost entirely just “me too” votes. Chorus: No they weren’t! > [@dotchan](#): > > You’re right - Hockey Monkey was the one who was copying you, not vice versa. My bad! > > unvote ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies Chorus: So why not vote for **Hockey**? > [@dotchan](#): > > I was posting in haste and I figured I should do my homework before I drop my next vote. (After all, I’d convinced myself that Cookies was suspicious based on a wrong impression, so it behooved me to at least reread the thread.) If nothing else, this suggests someone who is taking only a passing interest in the game. Her original vote was very much follow-the-leader; the next was utterly baseless. Finally, it’s worth pointing out that \*\*dotchan \*\*has offered no defence whatsoever, just a shrugged acceptance of another lynching. At best, her posts and votes suggest somebody who isn’t trying very hard; at worst, she’s scum doing a bad job of smudging and building false cases, while skimming the thread quite egregiously. ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/233 "2008-12-31T17:03:36Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > I believe Story did the roles but only one role thing in marvel too. It is an attempt to keep things consistent. > > Naf, here let me help you out. > > Brewha is town. > Mhaye is town. > Blaster Master is town. > Diggitcamara is town. > pedescribe is town. > Nanook of the North Shore is town. > Hockey Monkey is town. > JSexton is town. > Millit the Frail is town. > Zeriel is town. > Hal Briston is town. > Almost Human is town. > Amrussell is town. > Total Lost is town. > Rapier42 is town. > Natlaw is town. > Dotchem is town. > CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies is town. > special ed is town. > Chucara is town. I don’t think that’ll work as, if I understand correctly, NAF needs to be given statements that are true or false in relation to the player making the statement. What I mean is, as you made the statement and you don’t know whether any of us are town, scum or whatever, I think any response NAF got to quoting you would be a resounding “woof!” Anyways, in case NAF wants to check me out: I am town. I am not scum. I am not pfk or any other third party-type thing. Take your pick 🙂 though I do understand why it makes more sense for you to investigate people you think are town first. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/234 "2008-12-31T17:07:59Z")
That is mighty powerful role Naf is claiming. If I was modding I doubt I would put in a town role that potent. Which isn’t to say Story wouldn’t, but I think there is a distinct possibility that Naf is a third party. For that reason I’d advise against the other masons revealing their identities. Though, for a third party, he claimed rather early. Even if he is a third party though, it is in our best interest to keep him alive. He is far more dangerous to scum than town (I don’t think it is likely he is scum anymore). He can expose lies, and scum need to lie to survive. So I expect them to try to get him lynched, but failing that use whatever they can to take him out. Speaking of which. > [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > I’m not seeing anything that is confirmable in NAF’s claim at this point without a death. Anyone else? > [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Danger, Will Robinson. As has already been said, at this point the only way we’ll know if he’s lying or not is if he dies, which is why people are talking about lynching him as a source of information. Forgive me if your assertion that it “just sounds true to me” doesn’t fill me with warm fuzzy comfort. I’m content with my vote. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/235 "2008-12-31T17:13:30Z")
Second things second: **NAF** ’s claim. 1. It fits with his questioning of everyone. So either genuine, or a well-planned fake. 2. Textual analysis department: This does read a lot like a \*\*story \*\*PM. Also, the vanilla PMs also say: “POWERS…1. You have no special powers.” So either genuine, or a well-written fake. 3. Can we test it? The full hypothesis is: \*\*NAF \*\*is an accurate investigator who can test the truth of any sufficiently direct sentence, such as “I am pro-town.” We can falsify this by: a) lynching someone he says is town, and finding that they are scum; b) lynching someone he says is scum, and finding that they are town; c) lynching him to get his role information. Option a) is right out; it’s too easy for a scummy \*\*NAF \*\*to outwit. Option b) is not available at this point. It would allow a scummy \*\*NAF \*\*to get a lynch on a townie, but at the cost of his own lynching. If we’re going to do this, we’re going to have to do it well before LyLo. How convenient/unlucky it would be for NAF not to get scum by the time we’re approaching LyLo would be a question for the individual to decide. Option c) has the advantage of giving definite information; the downside is that we may kill the goose laying the golden eggs. Assuming six starting scum, we’re looking at 4 left alive now, with 16 town. (Going by **Hawk** ’s test post above.) With the SK dead, we’re looking at losing 3 people per D/N cycle, based on Night One. If we don’t find scum, our numbers go: 16/4; 13/4; 10/4; 7/4. **(Someone please check this!)**. One strategy would be to give \*\*NAF \*\*a couple of days to investigate people, and then lynch him to confirm them all - well before LyLo. This would also give him some time to find a scum for us to test him with. This is an option that bears some risk: we don’t know where LyLo is, so we’d have to err on the side of caution. More importantly, we don’t know if scum have some one-time ability to increase the number of kills; we could hit LyLo before we know it. The upside is that if \*\*NAF \*\*is who he says he is, we get a bigger bunch of confirmeds than if we test him now. There is of course always option d) we do nothing. I’m including this for completeness, and because it seems quite likely that we won’t get consensus immediately in any case. If \*\*NAF **is being honest with us, he may get confirmed by scum-kill. Conversely, if he isn’t bumped off as he builds a pool of confirmeds then either he’s progressively more and more likely to be scum, or the doctor is blocking a scum-kill and buying us more time. \*\* If NAF is still alive and unconfirmed by the time we get to LyLo, the game will hinge on whether we make the right decision in trusting his pool of confirmed townies.** That will be a collective judgement, based on analysis and gut feel; we won’t have any certainty. In any case, we can’t afford to give full credence to what he says until such time as we confirm him. Oh, and in case the rules are that \*\*Hawk \*\*cannot speak truthfully about what he doesn’t actually know: I am town. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/236 "2008-12-31T17:15:44Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > That is mighty powerful role Naf is claiming. If I was modding I doubt I would put in a town role that potent. Which isn’t to say Story wouldn’t, but I think there is a distinct possibility that Naf is a third party. For that reason I’d advise against the other masons revealing their identities. Though, for a third party, he claimed rather early. > > Even if he is a third party though, it is in our best interest to keep him alive. He is far more dangerous to scum than town (I don’t think it is likely he is scum anymore). He can expose lies, and scum need to lie to survive. So I expect them to try to get him lynched, but failing that use whatever they can to take him out. Speaking of which. All this is assuming that his claim is accurate. We don’t have any way to know that at this point. (Although I agree that lynching him now is not the right move.) ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/237 "2008-12-31T17:16:27Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Danger, Will Robinson. As has already been said, at this point the only way we’ll know if he’s lying or not is if he dies, which is why people are talking about lynching him as a source of information. Forgive me if your assertion that it “just sounds true to me” doesn’t fill me with warm fuzzy comfort. Like the 60s pop culture reference even though it shows my advanced age! Yes, I do see your point. But I also said that I don’t 100% believe him even though it did ring true to me. I don’t see the benefit of lynching him to see if he’s telling the truth. If he’s telling the truth then the scum are going to kill him soon. I hope he’s protected but there’s no way of knowing that a doc will choose him over pede or hawk. I’d rather let the scum have 3 possible candidates to WiFOM over and hope he stays alive long enough to give us more information. And I’d urge everyone to make a clear statement saying they’re town too. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/238 "2008-12-31T17:16:30Z")
> [@Chucara](#): > > Wait what? Do you care to elaborate how you reached that conclusion? > And what gives with the “the other deadbeat part”? Is deadbeat = deadite, and how would you know how many there are? > You prefer to kill PFK over scum when we “only” have two dead scum? > > I usually avoid voting for someone voting for me, but this post pings me more than anything so far in this game. > > **unvote Blaster Master** > **vote pedescribe** > > On a side note, should I die tonight, look a bit more into pedescribe and NAF. > > Finally, I think we should vote as usual during the nights in case we do indeed get an extra night lynch. In my role, I got word that there were two players who had not paid their dues for the party. These two players are deadbeats, and presumably PFK. Peeker was one. I suspect you are the other. Why am I voting for PFK? Firstly, it’s night. We want to test the night-lynch, and I figure since we have a bonus kill, we can spare time to hit the other PFK. Secondly, my other main candidate is now under the aegis of a claimed cop. I’m not going to lynch him until I have more time to think about this. > [@NAF1138](#): > > I have gone back and forth on this all Day, but I think it is the town’s best interest that I claim now. I have enough answers front loaded that (hopefully) we should be safe. > > Clearly I am up to something. > > So first, to answer Natlaw’s question, I am asking mostly pro town people because I am trying to build a giant masonry. It’s better for cops to examine townies. > > I am a cop, and rather than me try to explain…here is my PM: > > I used my power yesterDay on Millit saying that he would be fine to truthfully claim, and got back a woof. So once I got an idea of how direct Story wants me to be… > > I decided to get direct. > > I can also verify role claims, but I have enough people on record that I can verify, and Hawk is one of them. When he said he was town he was truthful. > So to recap, I am a cop. I think we probably have one other investigator, but I can’t be sure so I am asking for doctor protection toNight before it is too late. > > I am also going to ask the remaining masons to claim. My guess is that there are three of you left including Pede. Me + the masons + Hawk means 5 confirmed townies going into Day 3 with 2 dead deadites. Every Day that I live I can confirm another person who is willing to publicly state their alignment creating a larger masonry. > > The more people we can trust the better off we are. I think I just broke a large part of the game open for us as a town, particularly now that the SK is dead. WHY THE \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\* DID YOU CLAIM DURING NIGHT? That was the dumbest thing I think I’ve…uhhhhhh. Seriously. You could have just waited until tomorrow, and spared the doc another night of self protection. That, alone, pings my meter a bit. Also, I have no control over the other masons, but I am not outing them, and I suspect they will not claim either. > [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > Okay, I am not pro-town.\* > > So do I get a cookie for helping out in your experiment? :dubious: 😃 > > _But, neither am I pro-anything else. Other than pro-me. 'Cause I’m awesome._\* > > \*\*I now return you to your regularly scheduled strategizing. Wait…really? > [@Millit\_the\_Frail](#): > > Hey all… > > Millit is a she. > Millit is a female. > Millit is a her. > Millit is a woman. > Millit is a Mrs. > > OK, now that that’s settled, you should have gotten a “TRUE,” because I would have shared my Alpha/Beta persuasion with y’all, and yes, I have one. This whole Vincent thing (love the reference, btw) is pretty nifty, but people have already come along to create doubts. > > Some good reasons to doubt: > > 1. We already have (had) ☹ a confirmed Investigator. Would there really be 2 in a game this size? > 2. If there are 2, our puppy here could be “paranoid” or unreliable. And in this sort of situation, an unreliable cop is as good as no cop. IMHO. > 3. We’ve already killed 2 scum in just under 2 days; they could be scared enough to try a false roleclaim. Especially one that distracts the Doctor. > > Caution is a good thing. I’m not sure we should talk about lynching him for proof yet. If he is for real, we should probably keep him around for as long as possible. And there’s still a significant chance he’s for real. In a game this size, I wouldn’t be particularly surprised by two investigators, especially since NAF requires special finagilling for his powers to work, and the crisis of faith might have been a drawback for TF. However, I highly (highly) doubt there are three. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/239 "2008-12-31T17:32:01Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > WHY THE \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\* DID YOU CLAIM DURING NIGHT? That was the dumbest thing I think I’ve…uhhhhhh. Seriously. You could have just waited until tomorrow, and spared the doc another night of self protection. That, alone, pings my meter a bit. Also, I have no control over the other masons, but I am not outing them, and I suspect they will not claim either. I claimed at Night intentionally. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2008, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/240 "2008-12-31T17:35:28Z")
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