# Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT TWO **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 27, 2008, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862 "2008-12-27T18:15:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![dotchan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@dotchan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dotchan)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2008, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/81 "2008-12-29T23:44:52Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > I don’t see the logic here. Why did **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** deserve a vote for a “me too”-vote but **Hockey Monkey** don’t? She might, but I was posting in haste and I figured I should do my homework before I drop my next vote. (After all, I’d convinced myself that Cookies was suspicious based on a wrong impression, so it behooved me to at least reread the thread.) ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2008, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/82 "2008-12-29T23:46:58Z")
Ok, let’s be clear. I was responding to **natlaw** in that manner because I was called out on not being agressive enough to her/his original accusation. It was tounge in cheek. **FCOD** is a boy who goes by a feminine moniker: Its a running joke. Have you at least read the Wiki? And if not then don’t be looking at me. FCS I was responding to a direct observation in a humorous manner that also ties us all back together. And you know what, **Millet** you can take it all back. Anyone who has ever played with me knows that I am always pursuing IRLB. The point of this game is discussion. It irks me to no end when folks don’t participate. Communally we talk about lurker lynching but it never happens. We end up with town on town violence and collectively put our fingers in our ears and go La La La. So you gals/guys tell me. Was **fishy** ’s characterization of the **pede** train a wrong observation to make? Was my observation about **Hawk** ’s relationships a bad thing? Was my endorsement of **MHaye** ’s not letting previous games’ alignment influence current game set up horrible? Was me directly answering questions from **Natlaw** that were posed to me unforgivable? Yep, I am the fluff meister. Seriously, I’d like to know. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2008, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/83 "2008-12-29T23:51:15Z")
To be fair pede, I think he was the first person (and only) to mention me as suspicious besides myself. I was about to start a line of questioning with you on that topic but I just remembered you are a claimed mason. So in the interest of getting things rolling in a totally crazy direction I am going to turn back to Hawk. I think I know the answer to this question (if you decide to answer at all) but… Hawk are you a deadite or town? It’s ok, be honest. Same question to Chucara over there. I will likely not be chaning my vote because, frankly I still think that my argument agains Chucara is the best reason to vote for someone I have seen…but who knows. Maybe the direct method is what we need. (translation for the above, peeker style…I got nothing after a couple of re-reads and am grasping at straws) Well, I take the whole I got nothing thing back. I want to place a smallish FOS on AH. She is playing strangely for her, but that doesn’t mean anything yet. Feel free to tell us if you are town or not also AH. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2008, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/84 "2008-12-29T23:52:31Z")
NETA: the first fucker that agrees with me but gives a smarmy “well it’s not my style”, gets my vote. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/85 "2008-12-30T00:11:09Z")
Sorry for being out of touch so much this Day. My Christmas was extended, and we are coming up on New Year’s and getting end of month and end of year shit at work done is a bitch. I have done a quick catch-up, and probably the only thing I’ll be able to do to day is cast this vote. I found it quite odd that \*\*dotchan \*\*voted for \*\*cookies \*\*for me-too voting but when her error was pointed out and corrected she didn’t then put that vote on me. Her logic for voting was challenged, and she backed down. If her real reason was me-too voting, then logically she should have then cast a vote for me. I did me-too vote. I had a legitimate reason to do so. It doesn’t really deserve a vote, but based on \*\*dotchan’s \*\*reason for her former vote, she should have given me one. I find that suspicious. **vote dotchan** ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/86 "2008-12-30T00:14:57Z")
Okie dokie. **Brewha** Ask anything you want an I will answer. Apparently my observations are confusing. So seriously anything and I’ll give it straight up. But it has to be you. Capiche. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/87 "2008-12-30T00:17:04Z")
NETA: Choose your damn question wisely. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/88 "2008-12-30T00:20:54Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > Okie dokie. **Brewha** Ask anything you want an I will answer. Apparently my observations are confusing. So seriously anything and I’ll give it straight up. But it has to be you. > > Capiche. Wait…it has to be Brewha? Cause I am doing this whole thing where I am asking people if they are deadites or not… [oog]I have always liked your posting style peek. It takes a bit of getting used to, but I think I would greatly miss having you around if you decided not to play. Yes, I am drinking in the afternoons while I am off work and stuck at home without a car…fuck you for judging me. 😛 [/oog] ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/89 "2008-12-30T00:34:44Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > To be fair pede, I think he was the first person (and only) to mention me as suspicious besides myself. > > I was about to start a line of questioning with you on that topic but I just remembered you are a claimed mason. > > So in the interest of getting things rolling in a totally crazy direction I am going to turn back to Hawk. I think I know the answer to this question (if you decide to answer at all) but… > > Hawk are you a deadite or town? It’s ok, be honest. Same question to Chucara over there. I will likely not be chaning my vote because, frankly I still think that my argument agains Chucara is the best reason to vote for someone I have seen…but who knows. Maybe the direct method is what we need. > > (translation for the above, peeker style…I got nothing after a couple of re-reads and am grasping at straws) > > Well, I take the whole I got nothing thing back. I want to place a smallish FOS on AH. She is playing strangely for her, but that doesn’t mean anything yet. Feel free to tell us if you are town or not also AH. I don’t remember the case against Chucara. What was it again? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/90 "2008-12-30T00:51:56Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Wait…it has to be Brewha? Cause I am doing this whole thing where I am asking people if they are deadites or not… > [oog]I have always liked your posting style peek. It takes a bit of getting used to, but I think I would greatly miss having you around if you decided not to play. > > Yes, I am drinking in the afternoons while I am off work and stuck at home without a car…fuck you for judging me. 😛 [/oog] It will be a mind blower, I promise you. But it has to be **brewha** and it has to be phrased correctly. Manners would be nice. I ran it by **story** and he was cool. BTW, there are other folks that can get it as well. I just am a little cranky currently. Little bytche, I think I got ya. Woot the flippin’ woot. Chaos. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/91 "2008-12-30T00:52:57Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > I like this idea, but I would be surprised if story doesn’t sub Blam out at dusk. HMm…I wonder if there’s a limit to the number of subs? I’ve actually got a funny feeling that he won’t. I’d like to be wrong, but I am of the opinion that we’re going to have to deal with Blam ourselves, one way or another. It can probably wait until night, but if he’s not replaced by then? Yeah, I think we should see if the night lynch theory is correct. > [@](#): > > At this point, I see that the Cookies and Hawkeyeop debate is taking center stage. I’ll be honest–I don’t have any hard evidence to add. But I’ve got a feeling that Hawkeyeop is scum and that Cookies is town. It’s a gut feeling, nothing more. I share your gut. Let’s see why! > [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > So you expect scum on day one to try to get each other lynched? I know scum can do anything, but they don’t generally purposely sacrifice there own day one. Strawman. I expect scum to try and blend in and act townie. If that means posting an legit attack on their own, then yeah, that’s the right play. Macey made a series of terrible posts. Good town play is to attack them, therefore good scum play is to attack them. > [@](#): > > “Anyone who pushed someone else’s lynch is by definition attempting to protect Macey” is a factual statement. If you are voting for candidate A, you are making it less likely candidate B is lynched. This doesn’t necessarily mean such an action is scummy, but it has that effect nonetheless. Disagree. You’re confusing motive with effect. Taking a given action will prodice a variety of effects, some of which may be incidental and show nothing of that player’s motivation. Or look at it another way: That logic means that every time a player casts a vote, that player is protecting _every single other player_, which renders it somewhat useless as a tell, doesn’t it? > [@](#): > > I find nothing scummy about lurking, so yes ignoring Macey is more scummy. Many many things are more scummy than lurking. Lurking is scummy, because it is not pro-town. It does not allow the town to use your posts to determine your alignment, and it doesn’t contribute your brainpower. Does town lurk? Sure. But town also vigs town, mislynchs, and lies (irony!). The point is that those actions are anti-town, and hence are more likely to indicate motivation. * * * Hawkeye, I have problems with a lot of your posts. Some are big on general theory, but not directly related to the game. Those that do relate to the game, I feel, are pushing us in the wrong direction. Difference in playstyle again? Maybe. But I have to call it like I see it, and I don’t see you acting in our interest. vote hawkeyeop ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/92 "2008-12-30T00:57:12Z")
Getting late in Europe so I’ll have to make a decision. The person with the most information I can trust is **bufftabby** and she scum :(. So would she vote for a fellow Deadite? - **macey** is about to be strung up - **Cookies** hasn’t made her defending posts yet - **Thing Fish** would have been a better way to defend macey (has three votes) -The following Night bufftabby does say people should stop talking about the claiming target plan. But does she want us to pay attention to Hawks plan or Cookies rebuttal? I think bufftabby picked a safe vote for a townie. Next is **Hawk** scum? His plan could be a town one trying to find scum, but the execution isn’t perfect. Let’s try to apply it to the other scum, who supported bufftabby? -Hawk [followed](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10599225&postcount=78) her vote on pedescribe. -Total Lost disagrees with her pedescribe vote -dotchan does an eyebrow FoS Cookies after bufftabby voted Cookies. Hawks plan as scum would be complicated (thus error-prone), but maceys mistake might have triggered it. dotchan supported bufftabby’s Cookies vote with an eyebrow FoS. If Hawk scum, she also supported his Cookies case with her vote. If he is not scum, she made a vote on her third suspicion (other was Thing Fish, but he got killed) without reading up. That is not good town play. **vote dotchan** I’ll be back for Dusk, so **dotchan** if you got a better defense than ‘didn’t read up before voting’, go ahead to convince me I’m wrong. Did you realize Cookies was voted for by scum bufftabby? Did you read hawks argument against Cookies before voting? Unofficial vote count (on preview I see JSexton voted as well): **dotchan** (4) - amrussell, Total Lost, Hockey Monkey, Natlaw **Hawkeyeop** (4) - Cookies, brewha, pedescribe, JSexton **Cookies** (2) - Hawkeyeop, brewha **Chucara** (2) - NAF1138, DiggitCamara **Blaster Master** (1) - peekercpa ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/93 "2008-12-30T01:05:37Z")
That’s messed up, I got brewha twice: **dotchan** (4) - amrussell, Total Lost, Hockey Monkey, Natlaw **Hawkeyeop** (3) - Cookies, pedescribe, JSexton **Cookies** (2) - Hawkeyeop, brewha **Chucara** (2) - NAF1138, DiggitCamara **Blaster Master** (1) - peekercpa ---
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/94 "2008-12-30T01:22:53Z")
OK, so here are my reads on the first-listers and their likelihood of being scum, including some analysis of the known factors: **zeriel** : Voted, but only as a joke. There were 4 votes on **macey** , and Z throws down an FOS, but he doesn’t actually vote and never comes back. Board outage excuse is fairly credible, but I wish we had an actual vote on record. **NAF** : Casts the first vote for **Chucara** for “subtle fishing;” stands by that vote at the present. Could easily be scum trying to start a new wagon. **buffy** the would-be townie slayer: Casts yesterDay’s only vote for **Cookies**. This actually gives **Cookies** a pro-Town boost–if **buffy** were going to go ahead and vote scum, she could’ve simply made a “me too” vote for her ol’ pal **macey**. Instead, it looks like she was trying to attract voters to a new, more favorable lynch target. It seems like **buffy** had a weak reason to vote for **Cookies** , too–her reasoning was a great way for scum to try to garner trust in anyone else who disagreed with **Cookies** ’ vote. **Pleonast** : We know he was a Mason. His vote/unvote for JSexto\*\*\*\*n and subsequent vote for **Thing Fish** don’t mean much to me, as he had no special info on them (other than their Mason/non-Mason status…non-Mason for **TF** and likely the same for **JSexton** ). **Peeker** : I forgot to say that **peeker** is on this list. (Sorry **peeker** , I didn’t mean to be aggressive with my previous posts; I’m just frustrated and should have added in some smilies to indicate I’m doing more teasing than bullying. Here are a few: ;)🆒:D) He voted for **Thing Fish** , then unvoted, then voted for **macey** later on. That’s a suspicious pattern if I ever saw one. There were 5 votes on **macey** and 2 on **Thing Fish** when he cast his vote. But then at **macey** 5, **TF** 4, he changed his vote! So maybe not so suspicious after all. If scum, **peeker** probably would not have ditched that vote while there was still a contest. **Diggit** : Second voter for **chucara** , and the vote still stands. Weak reasoning, too, IMHO. I would state defiantly that either **NAF** or **Diggit** is a scum at this point, if I were the type to pull an “only two candidates” stunt. This really looks like an attempt by one (maybe both? Doubtful, but hey…) of them to get something to stick to **chucara** …both are laying low and have stood by their votes, so I’ll be watching both for further info. Aaaaaaand…I’ve gotta eat, be back for Part 2 in a bit. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/95 "2008-12-30T02:01:46Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > I don’t remember the case against Chucara. What was it again? I can’t answer for anyone else, but \*\*NAF \*\*(?) talked about a subtle fishing attempt on her(?) part. I looked at her(?) posts from Day One and felt \*\*NAF \*\*was spot on. And that’s why I voted for her(?). My vote remains on \*\*Chucara \*\*because **macey** ’s blatant fishing was proven to be fishing. And it makes \*\*Chucara \*\*a good candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/96 "2008-12-30T02:06:47Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Wait…it has to be Brewha? Cause I am doing this whole thing where I am asking people if they are deadites or not… > [oog]I have always liked your posting style peek. It takes a bit of getting used to, but I think I would greatly miss having you around if you decided not to play. > > Yes, I am drinking in the afternoons while I am off work and stuck at home without a car…fuck you for judging me. 😛 [/oog] > [@NAF1138](#): > > To be fair pede, I think he was the first person (and only) to mention me as suspicious besides myself. > > I was about to start a line of questioning with you on that topic but I just remembered you are a claimed mason. > > So in the interest of getting things rolling in a totally crazy direction I am going to turn back to Hawk. I think I know the answer to this question (if you decide to answer at all) but… > > Hawk are you a deadite or town? It’s ok, be honest. Same question to Chucara over there. I will likely not be chaning my vote because, frankly I still think that my argument agains Chucara is the best reason to vote for someone I have seen…but who knows. Maybe the direct method is what we need. > > (translation for the above, peeker style…I got nothing after a couple of re-reads and am grasping at straws) > > Well, I take the whole I got nothing thing back. I want to place a smallish FOS on AH. She is playing strangely for her, but that doesn’t mean anything yet. Feel free to tell us if you are town or not also AH. Look at it this way: Hawkeyeop is making a comprehensive list in an effort to look townie while fingering fellow townies. Unfortunately, one of his scumbuddies is snared on the list. What would you do? Personally, I wouldn’t do the list, but if I did, I would make every effort to downplay that particular player after posting the list. Of course, this isn’t particularly useful until Hawkeyeop comes up as scum, but if he does… ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/97 "2008-12-30T02:10:04Z")
It’s gone 2am. I have less than 16 hours to place a vote. These Days are so short you blink and miss them. Experience has taught me that while sitting up to the wee hours of the morning reading Mafia threads is fun, it is _not_ conduicive to clear thought, accurate analysis or good post-drafting. Consequently I am going to invest a few of those 16 hours in sleeping, so that I can post nongarbled stuff tomorrow. Night one and all. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/98 "2008-12-30T02:18:21Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > I can’t answer for anyone else, but \*\*NAF \*\*(?) talked about a subtle fishing attempt on her(?) part. > > I looked at her(?) posts from Day One and felt \*\*NAF \*\*was spot on. And that’s why I voted for her(?). > > My vote remains on \*\*Chucara \*\*because **macey** ’s blatant fishing was proven to be fishing. And it makes \*\*Chucara \*\*a good candidate. Huh. That sounds reasonable. :shrugs: ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/99 "2008-12-30T02:43:33Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] You have killed bufftabby. +2 points. [/QUOTE] Because time is short and I don’t know if **brewha** will show up in time. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/100 "2008-12-30T02:47:10Z")
NETA: if I get flipping Mod Killed the heck with it. Go Town. Kill Cranky for goodness sakes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862.md?page=6)