# Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT TWO **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 27, 2008, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862 "2008-12-27T18:15:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/121 "2008-12-30T14:44:02Z")
Everybody just gonna ignore \*\*peeker’s \*\* confession then? **Peek** , I need a bit more of an explanation from you about your point system. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/122 "2008-12-30T14:47:34Z")
DAY TWO VOTE COUNT - T-MINUS 4 HOURS (MODIFIED) **dotchan** (4) - amrussell, total lost, hockey monkey, Natlaw **hawkeyeop** (2) - Cometothedarksidewehavecookies, pedescribe **Cometothedarksidewehavecookies** (1) - hawkeyeop **Chucara** (2) - NAF1138, Diggitcamara **Blaster Master** (1) - peekercpa Edited, because bufftabby is dead. That’s a vote _for_ Blaster Master, _by_ peeker. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/123 "2008-12-30T14:49:50Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Edited, because bufftabby is dead. That’s a vote _for_ Blaster Master, _by_ peeker. Sorry - let’s just blame Idle 🙂 The guy is really messing with my head 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/124 "2008-12-30T14:57:15Z")
Hawk’s theories. The thing is, he’s mentioned some of this before so I know he genuinely believes that town allowing scummy play by either side is a bad idea and needs to be stopped. He really does think that we should stop saying “scum would never do that” and punish anti town behaviour. But to accuse people who thought macey wasn’t scum as actively protecting him? That’s pretty weak for someone who’s thought about this so much. I think you’ve used an idea you truly believe in and twisted that idea to suit your purpose, which is to get town lynched. I know you’ve had plenty of time to think about it as you came up with this long before the game started so I’d have expected a much more compelling argument from you if you were really town trying to find scum. Re the death scene this morning. I have a theory which may be nonsense but I like it so I’m putting it in. > [@storyteller0910](#): > > **INT CABIN LIVING ROOM - DAWN** > > Cut to: PLEONAST’s face, still screaming. We see the crowd pile in behind PLEO, who is staring at a horrible sight. On the floor is a bleached pile of bones, still flickering with the white-hot fire that burned its flesh away. We see a small metal symbol of a denominationally nonspecific religion, which has survived the fire, hanging around the skeleton’s neck.\* > > THING FISH, the Religious Figure Having a Crisis of Faith, a Pro-Town Investigator, has combusted. > > _PLEONAST screams again, looks up. BUFFTABBY has been transfixed to the wall of the garage, impaled through the chest with a piece of rebar. Her head slumps low. On her forehead is a bright red handprint. Suddenly, she looks up, still pinned to the wall by the rebar._ > > BUFFTABBY > (Demonically) > I’ll swallow your souls!!! Uh… would somebody let me down? > > BUFFTABBY, the Skanky Vampire Demon, a Scum Roleblocker, is about as dead as MACEY. > > _Horrified, they all stumble out, leaving PLEONAST alone, still staring down at the skeleton that once was THING FISH. After a moment, we hear the sound of guttural laughter from behind PLEO. Cut to black._ > > PLEONAST, the Sorority Treasurer, a Pro-Town Mason, has met a most heinous end. I jokingly wondered if we had an exorcist earlier due to bufftabby’s having a bloody handprint on her forehead. I’m now wondering if I may have been half right and Thing Fish (the Religious Figure Having a Crisis of Faith) investigated her. It could have been part of his role that if he found scum he had to exorcise them but due to his crisis of faith both of them would die. Like I said, could be my imagination getting overactive but if I’m right then hawk’s saying: > [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > Story posted a vote count at night. I don’t think he would do that for no reason. Thing Fish was the leading vote getter when the night ended. I think he might have been night lynched. would be (if he’s scum) a lie. Anyway, toDay’s been hard to decide on who to vote for. I’m not convinced you’re scum hawk but you’re scummier to me than anyone else. Also, as you say, if you do turn out to be town we’ll have a lot of data points to look at afterwards. **vote hawkeyeop** ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/125 "2008-12-30T14:57:41Z")
> [@Hockey\_Monkey](#): > > Everybody just gonna ignore \*\*peeker’s \*\* confession then? > > **Peek** , I need a bit more of an explanation from you about your point system. I’m not ignoring it - just waiting for **Peeker** to show up and explaine some more. ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/126 "2008-12-30T14:59:36Z")
> [@Hockey\_Monkey](#): > > Everybody just gonna ignore \*\*peeker’s \*\* confession then? > > **Peek** , I need a bit more of an explanation from you about your point system. Actually I would too because if you (peeker) did have something to do with bufftabby’s death then part of my last post was complete bollocks. ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/127 "2008-12-30T15:02:46Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > **Cookies** , I’ll admit it. My vote for you was mostly to see how you’d react. Your explanation holds water for now. > > Unvote **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** > Yeah, count me in for a giant WTF in the direction of Peeker. I missed most of the action yesterday since I do most of my reading and posting during business hours. So, he’s a vig? A SK? Am I the only one who doesn’t understand him? Cause it seems to piss him off when I say so. Re peeker. I’ve no clue as to his allignment but I actually think he’s been really really lucid the past couple of games he’s played. He’s either toned it down a lot or I’m becoming fluent. Personally I enjoy his style - I think we need someone like him to stop us all crawling up our own arses sometimes 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/128 "2008-12-30T15:13:57Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > Right. My method here doesn’t really distinguish between town and PFKs. So everytime I said a player is likely town you can substitute likely town or PFK. I did it a couple times, but it wasn’t worth mentioning everytime. PFK and town players are both likely to try to vote in a pro-town manner. Due to that fact, I’m not terribly concerned with lynching PFKs until later when there is more of a threat of them winning. They tend to hinder scum more than town. I’d much rather lynch a maybe scum than a maybe PFK. Oh. Okay. **Chuc, are you a deadbeat?** > [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > Okay. If I get lynched, can you take another look now that you would know I was town. I think getting town and particularly you to listen to me is more important than not getting lynched. Absolutely I will. And you’re right. If you’re, say, a beta, it’s more important that you find scum than live. And me as well, only more so since I don’t have to worry about town lynching me. Yeah, I think we can find scum with your theories whether or not you’re scum. > [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > I’m focusing on certain ideas. Yes, some scum could have behaved differently. I believe that some scum would try to overtly protect Macey and that is where my focus is. That doesn’t mean other scum didn’t do other things. I would urge you not to assume that scum wouldn’t act as a block though. Town always expects scum to spread out, which gives them incentive not to. I don’t know how true this is…but that’s just a game theory spat. > [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > Just because I think it should get me townie cred doesn’t mean it does. No one is not voting for me because of that vote. You also assumed I thought people would fully be on board with my theory. Convincing people is hard, probably harder than finding scum. I can ensure you I had no great confidence in starting a movement. Those are only benefits if they are practical. They weren’t. I feel an obligation to get all my thoughts out there. You got me there. After natlaw’s analysis, and your eloquent rebuttal…I’m torn. I’m still somewhat sure you’re scum. Somewhat. On the other hand, the case against Dot seems to be built on Kleenex and preconceived suspicions. That is, I don’t buy it. So my vote stays where it is, but with significantly less conviction this time. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/129 "2008-12-30T15:14:36Z")
> [@Almost\_Human](#): > > But to accuse people who thought macey wasn’t scum as actively protecting him? That’s pretty weak for someone who’s thought about this so much. I have only accused those who were actively trying to help Macey. For people who ignored Macey completely, I considered it a minor scum tell. As Naf would say, no town player ever plays perfectly, so minor scum tells, unless there is a pattern of them, aren’t a big deal. > [@](#): > > I think you’ve used an idea you truly believe in and twisted that idea to suit your purpose, which is to get town lynched. I know you’ve had plenty of time to think about it as you came up with this long before the game started so I’d have expected a much more compelling argument from you if you were really town trying to find scum. Really? It is day 2. What exactly would you expect me to have? > [@](#): > > would be (if he’s scum) a lie. It was a theory. I elaborated upon in later on. I still think Thing Fish’s death has something to do with him being the vote leader. How exactly do you think a “lie” like that would help scum? ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/130 "2008-12-30T15:15:43Z")
> [@Almost\_Human](#): > > Like I said, could be my imagination getting overactive but if I’m right then hawk’s saying: > > would be (if he’s scum) a lie. This part is a bit confusing to me. I understood it like this: 1. If **Hawk** is scum then 2. he knows how **bufftabby** was killed and therefore he 3. would know if we can Night-lynch But why would you think that scum knows this? Is it common that scum get more info on scum-deaths then the rest af us? ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/131 "2008-12-30T15:20:35Z")
Hi all. I’m back from the in-laws. Yesterday was fun. Took a red eye from Phoenix home, and got in at 8 am. So no sleep, plus I seem to have picked up whatever my wife had just before we left. Not a fun few days. I can’t believe the Day is ending in just a few hours. I don’t think I would have signed up had I realized just how much of the first few Days I was going to miss. But let me see if I can offer some assistance now that I am here. I gotta say, the ped thing went down pretty much exactly how I expected it to. People pressured him, he claimed, almost everyone backed off. Kinda predictable really, especially for Day 1. The aftermath though, that was surprising. Good job catching macey out like that. Let’s move on to current stuff. It seems to me that between the two, Cookies and Hawkeye, that I find the arguments for and by Cookies the more compelling. Hawk keeps mentioning the SDMB game, and what the scum did there, and how we can use it in this game. The thing is, the way he’s playing and the arguments he’s making are definately evoking that game for me, but not necessarily in the way he’d like. What they’re calling to mind for me is the way Blam played in that game. Very out there, directing the arguments, and trying to guide people to a certain outcome. I don’t find his dissection of votes and the timing of them necessarily telling. Our very own mod, mr. story, has shown us in the past that scum WILL jump on a fellow scum early, especially if, as Hawks analysis claims, it garners them strong town cred and the scumbuddy in question made a slip up. I know this from personal experience as well, since in the Cecilvania game I was one of the first and most vocal people to jump on story when he made his slip in that game(I was scum with him then). That said, I’m not going to be voting for him at this time, because I think there’s a more interesting candidate available. Hello peeker. I’ll try to be more vocal for you, especially now that I’m back from my trip. Would you like to add a little more information to that last post of yours? Because from here, it sure looks like an admission of PFK/SKness. Normally, I’m not a fan of lynching PFKs, especially early, since they can help town as much as they hurt, but a SK is an exception to that. **vote peeker** ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/132 "2008-12-30T15:21:08Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Well, I take the whole I got nothing thing back. I want to place a smallish FOS on AH. She is playing strangely for her, but that doesn’t mean anything yet. Feel free to tell us if you are town or not also AH. (snipped) Yes I suppose I have been a bit quieter. I’m not really feeling anything monumental so have been reading along but not saying a whole lot. And as you asked so nicely, yes, I’m town. There - I’m sure you totally believe me now 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/133 "2008-12-30T15:21:25Z")
> [@Almost\_Human](#): > > I know you’ve had plenty of time to think about it as you came up with this long before the game started so I’d have expected a much more compelling argument from you if you were really town trying to find scum. None of us have had much time. It’s day 2, and the day/night cycle is shorter than normal. That’s a really odd comment. > [@Almost\_Human](#): > > Re peeker. I’ve no clue as to his allignment but I actually think he’s been really really lucid the past couple of games he’s played. He’s either toned it down a lot or I’m becoming fluent. Personally I enjoy his style - I think we need someone like him to stop us all crawling up our own arses sometimes 🙂 Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/134 "2008-12-30T15:32:13Z")
Alright, I’m really not getting why there’s all the Peeker love. Close as I can tell, he is by his own admission, a Serial Killer or Vigilante. I do not recall much suspicion garnered towards BuffTabby at the end of day one. Which leads me to believe that Peeker’s alliance is not with the town. Had BuffTabby been high on the suspicious list, it would be a different situation, but I don’t see how **Peeker** could have known that he was scum. Of course this is all speculation since he posted a couple of vague messages sometime around 8:00PM last night and we haven’t heard from him since. Pending some explanation of his actions Vote **Peekercpa** ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/135 "2008-12-30T15:33:31Z")
I’ve been rereading the game threads, trying to find a vote. I’m up to about post 80 on my reread. Before continuing, I’m going to take a moment to dispose of two side issues that came up. In [post=10623616]27[/post] Natlaw asks Peeker what my “non-agenda” is. Peek replies in [post=10624037]32[/post]. I’d like to point out at this point that Peek is only part right. I do believe that you should not “carry baggage” - ie that choosing who to attack because of what they did to you last game is wrong. But, it is possible to look back and see trends in the way people behave over games, and spotting a difference in playstyle between the norm and this game may reveal that a player is behaving atypically for no reason. One has to deliberately exclude ongoing games from this analysis (at least publically) even though they’re likely to be freshest in memory and thus more likely to be compared. Brewha, one thing I noted in [post=10627737]79[/post] Today; if you’ve never played with Peeker before you wouldn’t realise how far he’s eased up on the obfuscation from his early days. That, plus exposure to his weird and wonderful way of writing things, means he’s much more understandable than he used to be. Give it time; he’ll grow on you. Autolycus’s post quirks were fun, too. Provided they stay within some (indefinable) bound where they don’t actively obfuscate for no reason, they add a bit of fun to the play. Back to the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/136 "2008-12-30T15:34:53Z")
> [@Millit\_the\_Frail](#): > > I’m stuck between a couple of choices. **Peeker** is up there for going back and forth on some things (from what I can tell, anyway), such as lynching **BlaM** for lurking. Hey, I resent this accusation of lurking! ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/137 "2008-12-30T15:36:50Z")
Fine, he’s quirky. But, until he explains his Storyteller quote and post about getitng modkilled, I’m keeping my vote where it is. And his single word sentence “Chaos.” How is that supposed to be helpful? ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/138 "2008-12-30T15:37:16Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > I have only accused those who were actively trying to help Macey. For people who ignored Macey completely, I considered it a minor scum tell. As Naf would say, no town player ever plays perfectly, so minor scum tells, unless there is a pattern of them, aren’t a big deal. Well yes, that’s why I said you accused people who didn’t think macey was scum. I thought it was clear that I meant people who actually said they didn’t think he was scum. I didn’t mention people ignoring him at all > [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > Really? It is day 2. What exactly would you expect me to have? It’s partly the fact you seemed to use your argument to fit who you wanted to mistrust. The thing about theories is that you can use them to cast suspicion on pretty much anyone. You’ve said yourself that it isn’t hard for scum to make a false case against someone and make it convincing. You’re right. And I think that may be what you’re doing. > [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > It was a theory. I elaborated upon in later on. I still think Thing Fish’s death has something to do with him being the vote leader. How exactly do you think a “lie” like that would help scum? This bit I may well be wrong about as I said when I originally posted it. But I don’t understand why you think it wouldn’t help scum. It’s something else for town to worry about for a start. Some will want to use the extra Night lynch and others will be more cautious. If it turns out the lead vote getter doesn’t die then hey, it was just a theory and it caused a nice bit of confusion. ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/139 "2008-12-30T15:44:26Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > This part is a bit confusing to me. > I understood it like this: > > 1. If **Hawk** is scum then > 2. he knows how **bufftabby** was killed and therefore he > 3. would know if we can Night-lynch > > But why would you think that scum knows this? > Is it common that scum get more info on scum-deaths then the rest af us? No I don’t think scum would have been told whether or not there’s a Night lynch. Scum would know who they killed but that’s it. Though you bring up a good point - if my theory about how the Night went down is correct, hawk’s theorising about Night lynches is irrelevant as he wouldn’t have known how buff and TF died. So **hawk,** sorry - I withdraw that part of my accusation. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/140 "2008-12-30T15:52:56Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > Alright, I’m really not getting why there’s all the Peeker love. > > Close as I can tell, he is by his own admission, a Serial Killer or Vigilante. I do not recall much suspicion garnered towards BuffTabby at the end of day one. Which leads me to believe that Peeker’s alliance is not with the town. Had BuffTabby been high on the suspicious list, it would be a different situation, but I don’t see how **Peeker** could have known that he was scum. > > Of course this is all speculation since he posted a couple of vague messages sometime around 8:00PM last night and we haven’t heard from him since. > > Pending some explanation of his actions > > Vote **Peekercpa** This is quite simple. His messages are not vague at all, really. If he has made a claim to be either a Vigilante or Serial killer, then you must analyze his messages in that respect. How would “you get 2 points”, being worried about being mod-killed, and then clearly mentioning Cranky make any sense except from some sort of Serial Killer prespective? I cannot resolve gaining points for a kill with any reasonable pro-town mechanic, but the possibilities for a Serial Killer type role are plethora. Also, is Cranky a possible role name? Is there someone in one of the first two movies with that name? I’ve only seen AoD. Either way, barring a reasonable explanation, it’s the best I’ve seen for placing a vote. I won’t pretend to be caught up, as I’m still missing several pages from Yesterday, but since it looks like a legitimate slip on the order of the whole Top Dog fiasco, I have serious doubts I would see anything better. Vote **Peekercpa** And with that, I need to spend more time catching up before I post much more. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862.md?page=8)