# Mafia: Evil Dead - DAY/NIGHT TWO

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**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [December 27, 2008, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862 "2008-12-27T18:15:53Z")\
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**Post date:** [December 30, 2008, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-day-night-two/478862/103 "2008-12-30T03:19:16Z")

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> Let us say as scum you have two options. One is a pro-town and the other is pro-scum. Town thinks both choices are equally likely to be done by scum. You would pick the pro-scum option right? If town thinks scum are likely to pretend to be townie, why not just act scummy?

I think this is completely, completely untrue. Look back over the thread, and you will find several examples of players saying “I think x is scummy” and vote accordingly. I mean, that’s kinda the basis of the game.

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> I would also say Macey’s lynch was not inevitable. Especially not when I casted my vote. When I was scum I successfully argued against votes on much bigger slips then that. If I was scum I highly doubt I’d concede a teammate that early in the process.

False dilemma. Voting for Macey early on isn’t the same as conceding him. It’s not uncommon for a scumbuddy to hop on a wagon, and then watch their partner go completely unhinged, and be left with no reasonable way to move their vote.

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> I don’t know that there is a good way to determine motive. Looking at results and attempting to discern motive might be the best we can do.

The entire goal of mafia is to determine a players motive. That’s the game.

I don’t really know how to respond to this without sounding extremely condescending.

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> Yeah, but not all protections are equal. You can tell a lot based on timing and other factors.

Sigh. Of course. But you’re contradicting yourself, because what I was responding to was you saying that that a vote for someone other than macey was protecting macey. If that’s not a contradiction, then you were making a trivially true point; a tautology. And then how is that helpful to essentially say “A vote for someone other than macey is not a vote for macey.”?

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> It may be unhelpful, but I don’t think it is a likely place to find scum. LTL is also an easy scum battle cry.

Gee, guess we’re back to attempting to divine motive then, huh?

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