# Mafia: Evil Dead - Signups and Night Zero

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736>\
**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [December 11, 2008, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736 "2008-12-11T17:51:24Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736/141 "2008-12-17T21:43:04Z")

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> [@NAF1138](#):
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> I maintain that the dosseirs were an interesting solution to a real problem with all vanilla mafia. Imperfectly executed, perhaps, but fundamentally a good idea.

I’d say I think it was too easy for Scum to hurt themselves with Dossiers, but since we won anyway, I don’t really have grounds.

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**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736/142 "2008-12-17T21:45:28Z")

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Hey, **NAF** , I got no hate for the dossiers. That was the first game I ever saw. You could’ve had a Milkman and a Chia Bingo Manager, and I wouldn’t have thought anything unusual was afoot. I was actually rather disappointed not to receive one in my first game.

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**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736/143 "2008-12-17T21:51:23Z")

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> [@bufftabby](#):
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> Hey, **NAF** , I got no hate for the dossiers. That was the first game I ever saw. You could’ve had a Milkman and a Chia Bingo Manager, and I wouldn’t have thought anything unusual was afoot. I was actually rather disappointed not to receive one in my first game.

Please tell me: What are you talking about? What is a dossier?

(I have a feeling scum might have something to do with this - but at what game do I need to look??)

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**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736/144 "2008-12-17T21:57:40Z")

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It was in **NAF** ’s riveting You-Solve-It, **total** my dear. That one was going on around this time last year. It’s what started this desperate obsession of mine. No, not the pee one. The Mafia one. Sheesh, always with the pee. 😃

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**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736/145 "2008-12-17T21:57:47Z")

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> [@Total\_Lost](#):
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> Please tell me: What are you talking about? What is a dossier?
> 
> (I have a feeling scum might have something to do with this - but at what game do I need to look??)

YSI-Mafia was a game that I developed with MTGman because I had played in a couple of games that were “bigger than big” and wanted to get back to the roots of the game of mafia. I felt, and still feel, that town on a the whole is overly reliant on power roles and that the game wasn’t fun unless everyone had a power anymore.

Read all about it [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=447411)

There was a problem inherant with an all vanilla game (I felt, and I think I am right), namely it’s too hard to tell if people are lying. It’s why the cop role is so common in these games. It gives the town the edge they need. So after a lot of discussion MTGman and I came up with the idea of a game mechanic that would take the place of a cop. I still think it was an iteresting idea. That game drove me nuts though and I suppose I am still a bit sensitive about it.

But take a read, everthing is explained on that first page I liked to.

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**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736/146 "2008-12-17T22:08:42Z")

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> [@bufftabby](#):
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> It was in **NAF** ’s riveting You-Solve-It, **total** my dear. That one was going on around this time last year. It’s what started this desperate obsession of mine. No, not the pee one. The Mafia one. Sheesh, always with the pee. 😃

My god, you’re right! It _was_ only last year!

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**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736/147 "2008-12-17T22:14:28Z")

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> [@pedescribe](#):
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> My god, you’re right! It _was_ only last year!

You say only, I say already.

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**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736/148 "2008-12-17T22:43:27Z")

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OMGUFS!!!ONE!!1!

VOTE NAF1138  
So there! Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

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**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736/149 "2008-12-17T22:52:51Z")

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:pulls our pipe and attempts to fill with brewha’s vote:

Um…hmm, a little insubstatial for a pipe really.

:grabs rolling papers:

Cigarettes are thinner. This makes more sense. Thanks.

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**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736/150 "2008-12-17T22:53:38Z")

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> [@Total\_Lost](#):
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> If I fall in love with you - will you break my heart \<3?

1. To answer your question, probably not, at least not in any jerkwad sort of way. Though, sometimes relationships just don’t work out and it’s not really either person’s fault, it’s just the nature of things.

2. I’m very taken, so you probably won’t get the chance.

3. Hi, Op…erm I mean you live in Denmark. I live in the U.S. I have neither the time nor the money to make frequent travels to there. I mean, we’d could probably switch off, but it would still be a logistical nightmare as far as fitting it into real life. I only get to see my current girlfriend a few times a week as it is, and we only live 50 miles apart.

> [@NAF1138](#):
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> Surely you know that all TRUE random events have false patterns in them! BlaM get in here and explain the nature of randomness to brewha. (hat should keep us busy for a while)

And surely you know that no silicon-based computer can ever create a true random sequence. Taken out far enough, it will repeat. It’s all an Al-Gore-Rhythm. Granted, most programs use advanced enough algorithms that for most people’s uses you’ll never notice that you aren’t random.

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**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736/151 "2008-12-17T22:53:51Z")

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_makes mental note to use stars instead of colon’s when typing up physical actions that start with the letter “p”_

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**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736/152 "2008-12-17T22:55:36Z")

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> [@NAF1138](#):
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> _makes mental note to use stars instead of colon’s when typing up physical actions that start with the letter “p”_

Yeah, one should never ‘p’ with one’s colon.

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**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736/153 "2008-12-17T22:56:39Z")

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> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#):
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> And surely you know that no silicon-based computer can ever create a true random sequence. Taken out far enough, it will repeat. It’s all an Al-Gore-Rhythm. Granted, most programs use advanced enough algorithms that for most people’s uses you’ll never notice that you aren’t random.

:dubious:  
Unvote brewha, vote hoopy

For being a smart ass.

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**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736/154 "2008-12-17T22:57:55Z")

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unvote hoopy

Just in case story is counting.

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**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736/155 "2008-12-17T23:00:06Z")

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> [@NAF1138](#):
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> This discussion is nuts.
> 
> Here I randomized the list using the random number generator in excell.
> 
> 1. Total Lost
> 2. brewha
> 3. Rapier42
> 4. Hockey Monkey
> 5. Blaster Master
> 6. Almost Human
> 7. Chucara
> 8. Hal Briston
> 9. Pleonast
> 10. mhaye
> 11. JSexton
> 12. Thing Fish
> 13. CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies
> 14. hawkeyeop
> 15. pedescribe
> 16. NAF1138
> 17. Millit the Frail
> 18. bufftabby
> 19. Natlaw
> 20. amrussel
> 21. Diggitcamara
> 22. macey
> 23. peekercpa
> 24. Nanook of the North Shore
> 25. Zeriel
> 26. special ed
> 27. Polydeuces  
> Does this order work for everyone?

Nope, I’m too high on that last. Move me down to the bottom 4th or so, please.

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**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736/156 "2008-12-17T23:02:00Z")

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> [@NAF1138](#):
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> unvote hoopy
> 
> Just in case story is counting.

No matter, I’m not playing. I’m just a spoiled spectator who also offered to possibly help story out with some last minute balancing, but I haven’t had the time to really think about the setup (other than it should be fun for you guys).

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**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736/157 "2008-12-17T23:05:56Z")

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> [@NAF1138](#):
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> _makes mental note to use stars instead of colon’s when typing up physical actions that start with the letter “p”_

You type with your colon?

Dude.

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**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736/158 "2008-12-17T23:06:42Z")

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> [@Rapier42](#):
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> You type with your colon?
> 
> Dude.

My joke was funnier.

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**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736/159 "2008-12-17T23:08:59Z")

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Oh, yeah…

Just in case anybody is keeping track, I’m KidV on the off-board. This caused confusion last game, so just in case anybody missed it…

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**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2008, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-evil-dead-signups-and-night-zero/476736/160 "2008-12-17T23:13:37Z")

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> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#):
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> My joke was funnier.

Prehensile colons are far funnier than pee-emitting colons. Thats just gross.

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