# Mafia - Game in progress \[Edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 9, 2013, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635 "2013-01-09T16:03:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/241 "2013-01-23T17:02:59Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Because of the delayed start and the continued interest in signing up, I want to ask: > > **story, do we have an official player list?** The Rules: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15912694&postcount=67](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15912694&postcount=67) Players: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15912708&postcount=68](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15912708&postcount=68) The Barn: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15922630&postcount=107](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15922630&postcount=107) Sample PM: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15922706&postcount=108](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15922706&postcount=108) Night 0: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15923035&postcount=118](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15923035&postcount=118) Day 1: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15925639&postcount=156](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15925639&postcount=156) The Pizza recipe: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15927887&postcount=215](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15927887&postcount=215) Doesn’t everyone keep notes like this? In a one thread game, I find it essential. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/242 "2013-01-23T17:05:35Z")
Just realized I have a question for Pizza. Your plan suggests that EVERYONE nominate someone by the end of phase one, yet states that a nomination means we are confident that our target is Scum, enough that we won’t back down if there is a tie. Yet I am not yet confident about any one person’s Scum status. Do you propose I vote based on the average Day One whim and then stick to my guns come hell or high water? Doesn’t that seem rash? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/243 "2013-01-23T17:07:54Z")
I think, Day 1 or not, you should do what you feel is in town’s best interest. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/244 "2013-01-23T17:08:50Z")
> [@orthohedron](#): > > I’m here, and I have a noob question. are you going to announce the day/night transitions or are you just going to post the rules like you did earlier in this thread and we have to know what time it is. I’ve played forum rpgs but never in the mafia format before. The games I played were more of a collective fanfic with point based, moderator approved characters posting rps and the moderator (quite often me) resolving in character confrontations, battles etc. then posting a nightly or weekly recap depending on thread activity. This seems to play nothing like that. So… hooray for me the new guy! XD > [@orthohedron](#): > > ^^^This is what I was looking for. > [@orthohedron](#): > > Yeah, I’m always willing to learn a new game on an active board like this. That’s good to know too, I have an idea for a game to start here after Mafia is said and done. First: I’m willing to follow **Pizza** ’s plan for now as well. If nothing else, it seems like an organized way to play this. Then again, I don’t expect it to last long (call me cynical). Second, I will **vote orthohedron** for his insistently “I’m a newbie” posts (which I quoted). Seems like a lot of noise and not enough substance so far. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/245 "2013-01-23T17:13:41Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Doesn’t everyone keep notes like this? In a one thread game, I find it essential. In a game with a TexCat, I just count on her to take my notes for me. I’ll just handle my sweet vote charts. 😃 In seriousness, my notes are generally ridiculously convoluted based on whatever catches my whim. I’m always glad when someone has a more structured method, and shares. Also, I’d like to add a second (third?) to Storyteller’s nomination. Babale is looking like a better-than-random lynch. I’ll see if this feeling persists in future phases, and if it does I’ll back that up with a vote. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/246 "2013-01-23T17:21:23Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > Pizza’s plan basically boils down to: “Hey, what if we all actually played Mafia while we were playing Mafia?” At root, there’s nothing particularly radical about the idea we should build cases, test them and come to a conclusion. But the truth is that all to often in these games Town don’t, as a collective, really do that. And the consequence is that people can and do fly below the radar. > > There are some aspects I don’t think will work - the careful balancing of “lead” and “secondary” votes in the judgement phase, for example - but the basic idea of getting people to say what they think is a good one. > > One question about the nominations process first though: Pizza, the aim is to have no more than 3 votes on nominees, right? So what do we expect people to do if their favoured nominee already has 3 votes? The choices seem to be a) not nominate anyone, b) nominate someone else they are less likely to lynch or c) say “Me too” without voting. All contradict the point of this exercise, which is to commit people to a choice. This framework is a bunch of guidelines. I wouldn’t think of these as rules. It’s sort of like, hey, lurking is scummy. As a general guideline yes it can be, but townies do it just as often. The idea is context. Here, you could say “Player X is my top choice but has already been nominated. My next highest suspect is player Y. Vote: Player Y” ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/247 "2013-01-23T17:23:52Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > (snip) > > I think you mean “believable” instead of “transparent”. A Barn message is by definition transparent, because everyone will see it. It cannot be believable because a message will be anonymous unless someone takes a lot of effort (there’s cryptographic ways to sign messages). And if a player want to send a message that is definitely from them, they can simply post it in this thread. > > (snip) I meant to answer this. You’re absolutely right, **Pleonast** , I meant to say “believable”. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/248 "2013-01-23T17:25:50Z")
> [@Dizzymrslizzy](#): > > Wow, glad I checked in today…I’ve been so out of the loop since getting the ax on D1/D2 in the last two games, I got out of the habit of checking every day. > > Anyway. Pizza I like your idea, my only issue with it is the other time you suggested we go with it you were Scum.. It was me as scum acting how I’d act as townie, which would be to make helpful and positive suggestions. I’ll also note I fleshed out the idea between games and revealed the full idea after another game was over and I wasn’t scum in any games. In other words this is how I really believe we should act as townies, and the framework is intended to get our “should” closer to our “how it is”. Let’s pretend I’m scum, for the sake of argument. How does my idea help scum? Would me being scum make the idea bad for town? Or does the idea have its own town-positive merits? It’s sort of like pretending to be a detective and outing my own scum partner. Would my being scum mean we shouldn’t lynch my scum partner? Scum often play with intent to foil town. But they often play to blend in and be the good townie, and sometimes they give out information that is genuinely useful to town, to act town. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/249 "2013-01-23T17:27:30Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > So **Pizza** , what do you do if someone does something pretty scummy near the end of the Day? Do we have to start over at the Nomination phase? Who adjusts the schedule? If you think of it as guidelines, then there are room for exceptions. Note that I’ve said things like “be willing to vote for that person in the event of a tie, without strong reason to do otherwise”. I leave room for behaving outside of the framework. People can, if they choose, behave entirely outside the framework. I just think that most of us should behave within it most of the time, without good reason not to. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/250 "2013-01-23T17:27:45Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > [spoiler]I disagree. It’s not necessary to trust that someone as town, only necessary that someone steps up to guide people through the process. > > If we’re doing this, as the author of the phased process in question, allow me to conduct the first experiment. > > I[SIZE=4]t is now “Phase One”.[/SIZE] > > Remember that this is an experimental idea and everyone’s participation is not required for people to either play or enjoy the game. It’s just an idea of how we can conduct ourselves in an ordered manner. > > Please note especially the bolded red parts. > > [spoiler]\*\* 1) Opening of Day: Nomination phase. \*\* > > \*\*Everyone nominates persons for death, \*\*and gives whatever reasoning they might have. > [ul] > [li] Detectives do not reveal results yet.[/li][li]Night action results are not revealed.[/li][li]Masons/detectives and other information-obtaining roles should not offer their real opinion yet.[/li][/ul] > This way, it allows scumbags to vote badly and suspiciously, and the act of asking people to nominate people for death means that they should generally be willing to vote to lynch that person at end of day, and especially in the event of a tied vote. > > **Players should not vote against their own nominee for the lynch in the event of a tie** , because that means they were probably lying about being willing to lynch that person. > > This has the following benefits: Puts forth targets for the lynch and forces scumbags to more strongly bus their own teammates (with less wiggle room) or accuse townies and be forced to come up with bad reasoning. > > Those who refuse to offer opinions or are late in nominating people are inherently scummy because that means they are adopting a wait and see approach, common to scumbags. > \*\* > Then, once the nominations are on the table, we proceed to the next phase.\*\*[/spoiler] > [/spoiler] > [SIZE=2]Remember the idea behind nomination is to indicate: > > 1. You are willing to kill that person, and wouldn’t back down from that position in the event of a tie without strong justification > > 2. This person should become the subject of scrutiny and discussion, even if you eventually change your vote to a lead candidate. I see these 2 as contradictory- > [@](#): > > And nomination is different from voting to lynch, because the idea is generally to put forth perhaps a maximum of 2 or 3 votes for any given candidate to indicate that there is interest in voting for that person, but not to dogpile any one candidate. Generally speaking, if someone has already been nominated for death, others should be nominated. If you strongly believe that person should die and they’ve already been nominated, you should “second” the nomination. But third and fourths are not necessary. This is a way of getting the ball rolling every round, and is useful to analytical players later. > [/SIZE] It matters not who you are if you smell scumminess by all means bring it up.. > [@](#): > > List of players: > > 1. Suburban Plankton > 2. orthohedron > 3. Pleonast > 4. Enderw24 > 5. fubbleskag > 6. Mahaloth > 7. Johnny Bravo > 8. Babale > 9. Astral Rejection > 10. Meeko > 11. USCDiver > 12. texcat > 13. Askthepizzaguy > 14. RedSkeezix > 15. Silver Jan > 16. GuiriEnEspana > 17. DiggitCamara > 18. wombat99 > 19. gnarlycharly > 20. RyJae > 21. stanislaus > 22. Dizzymrslizzy > 23. Cometothe…Cookies > 24. Val Salva > 25. Lightfoot you missed the addition of Chucara > [@](#): > > \*\*I nominate and \*\* > > **Vote: Red Skeezix** > > Reason: I am voting to indicate that I am not scum with Red Skeezix, or that if I am, I am willing to bus him hardcore on day one. Free lunch! > > In other words, your typical Day One no reason vote. [smart ass] I nominate everyone in game because I am not Scum with any of them [/smart ass] \*\* Pizza \*\* you remember when you tried to lead a group by the nose in a game and then got all butt hurt when they rebelled? This is pushing it again. Yes I do realize it was another that grabbed your post from the end game on another board and plopped it here but your LAM hat does not look as attractive on you as you may think. Really the “plan” is not earth shattering isn’t it basically how we all approach a game ( although the internals of the thought process is not generally posted- mores the pity) ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/251 "2013-01-23T17:34:45Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > If we follow **Pizza** ’s suggestion I think there will be more random votes out there on D1 than there usually are and no one will be held responsible for their vote. Guess I am one of those wandering cats. I have a feeling it will give scum an advantage at first, not sure about later days. I note that all my suggestion offers is to get votes on record. Whether townies decide to hold people accountable for their votes is not something I can force through a framework. We are still playing the game, this is just meant to avoid common town pitfalls and also make it more difficult for scum to pull their usual tricks. Specifically what the plan accomplishes if people follow it: 1. No large meaningless bandwagons right away. We acknowledge there are many potential scumbags, not just one, and that being able to discuss and choose from several is superior to randomly wagoning one person per day. 2. No way for me or others to do what I just did in the previous game, which was cause several wagons and counterwagons, forcing several town power roles to claim early, giving scum the advantage. 3. Makes intentional lurking more glaringly obvious. 4. Makes intentional “wait and see” voters stick out more. 5. Gives a defined time for detective reveals that won’t kill normal point and discuss behavior. Detectives help and hurt town when all we ever do is follow their suggestions. I used detective to scum’s advantage last game because town is weak to their influence. And he was a real town detective too. 6. Encourages lots more finger-pointing which scum are hesitant to do because that means more scum-on-townie finger pointing and more scum-on-scum finger pointing by rule. Scum prefer to keep their opinions hidden so they don’t have to defend them. It’s sort of like vaccine against the common scum cold. It doesn’t make us immune to non-conventional tactics nor does it mean we can rest easy and let the framework win the game for us, or that we disconnect our brains and only follow teh rulez. You can veer over the yellow solid line to avoid an oncoming car. But we still should have the yellow lines on the road. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/252 "2013-01-23T17:34:46Z")
I’d like to **unvote LightFoot** I find this disagreement with Pizza to have a townie feel. Back to the townie side of the equation, at least for me! ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/253 "2013-01-23T17:35:55Z")
If you signed up for my Apocalyptic Mafia, [Day One](http://psychopathgame.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=pleoapoc&action=display&thread=2105) has started. > [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > no full claim yet? is that a record of some sort? 😉 Not really. I rarely full claim at the beginning of a game (my past two games I’ve had the “pleasure” of being third party). My usual method is to soft-claim as vanilla or power role. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > On a more personal note, I strongly encourage “[OMGUS](http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Oh_My_God_You_Suck)” as a legitimate and often townie reason to nominate someone for death, especially if you have no other reasons to go on (like today, for example). Eventually a scumbag will vote for a townie. It’s only fair that the townie in question makes them pay for it with voting pressure. Hopefully enough townies eventually vote for that person that they really do pay for it with their lives. > > Note that some folks don’t think this is a very townie way of doing things, and that it allows mafia to be lazy with coming up with reasons for voting. OTOH I think there’s only so many dead players revealed as townies that you should be able to get away with having voted for, and then the OMGUS votes will look rather bad. A strongly discourage players from making OMGUS votes. First, they’re too personal, and tend to evoke emotional responses rather than convincing reasons to for anyone else to vote for the other. Second, many town players vote for many other town players because of the nature of the game, and an OMGUS simply creates another town-on-town vote. Third, as you mention, an OMGUS is a lazy vote and gives nothing useful for other players to make a decision with. And, as you also mention, OMGUS votes will look bad when many of them are on townies, which is another way of saying it’s a poor reason for a vote. > [@Stanislaus](#): > > I’m in two minds about multi-voting. During most of the Day, or Pizza’s phase 1/2/3, I think it’s very useful as a means of getting suspicions on record and putting pressure on people. However, I think “over-voting” can aid scum a little - they can have their cake and eat it during this phase by spreading their votes around; it’s harder to hold them to account for one bad vote when they can point to others. > > I’m certainly against multi-voting at the end of the Day. Multi-votes cancel each other out: in the most egregious case, say I were to vote for both the lynch-leader and the runner-up. My total effect on the result is nil. At best, I’m Town wasting my vote. At worst, I’m Scum looking active but dodging accountability. The same logic applies to any pair or - worse - set of votes. > > As Pizza says, Scum don’t like making decisions - and multi-voting means they don’t have to. You are very wrong. Players can’t avoid accountability by pointing to other votes–every player has to be able to justify and defend each vote they make. The problem is not the multi-vote, it’s the dodge. So we hold players accountable if they try to excuse one vote with another. Multi-votes do not cancel out. Each player voted for is a player they want to see lynched. And each vote pushes a player closer to being lynched. That a player is voting for the lynch-leader and the runner-up is not a problem. It means they want to see both of them lynched and are taking actions to make that more likely. Unvoting someone you want to see lynched hurts town. In a single-vote game, it’s a necessary action. But in this game, unvoting a player means you don’t want them lynched. Multi-votes don’t reduce a player’s decisions or dodge accountability. If you are voting for a player, you want to see them lynched. If you are not voting for them, you do not want to see them lynched. Each vote or lack of vote has to be decided on and accounted for separately. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/254 "2013-01-23T17:37:38Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > Things I like about Pizza’s plan: > [@](#): > > Things I don’t think will work: Perfect. This is how folks should react to the idea. Do the stuff you think is useful. Challenge the stuff you think is pointless. I won’t take offense. It’s possible the idea works but can be improved. What better way to improve it than through the testing of the idea? ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/255 "2013-01-23T17:43:16Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Just realized I have a question for Pizza. Your plan suggests that EVERYONE nominate someone by the end of phase one, yet states that a nomination means we are confident that our target is Scum, enough that we won’t back down if there is a tie. Yet I am not yet confident about any one person’s Scum status. Do you propose I vote based on the average Day One whim and then stick to my guns come hell or high water? Doesn’t that seem rash? Essentially when you nominate someone, you are saying exactly this: I am not scum with Player X. In the event Player X is tied for the lead at the end of today, I will be backing their lynch, not the opposing lynch. This cuts off the balls of scumbags who would use the nomination to point at their own partner. It encourages them to bus their partners cold, and discourages them from voting to save their own partner. If townies remember that such behavior will be seen as scummy, and promise the rest of the town they won’t do such a thing, it means any scums performing the move will be instantly recognized as scum, without exception. You are more than welcome to vote for others and lynch them by end of day. But the framework is asking you to choose one person that, for whatever reason, you are comfortable making dead, and that you won’t try to back down from that without strong reason. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/256 "2013-01-23T17:44:53Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I’d like to try the Pizza Plan©, and in the spirit of that, I’d like to nominate LightFoot for consideration. This post has the tiniest touch of potential scummitide to it. > > LightFoot acknowledges that scum can be truthful when they use the barn, but we might still get info from it. This is true. However, a few people (Pleonast and USCDiver) had already mentioned been discussing the downsides of the barn, so this tiny “me-too” tickles my gut. If any particular player has a 50/50 chance of being scum, I’m moving LightFoot into the 51% column. I know that math isn’t right, but just run with it! 😃 > > And speaking of USCDiver, I’d like to nominate him as well. Total gut feel for this post regarding Chucara. Despite my earlier joke before the game started, I don’t generally believe skimming is a scum tell. It’s something iIhavent seen much success from. I do find people who point out “slips” that aren’t actually slips are scummy, and this is semi-like that. Kinda. Or it’s just a strategy disagreement between him and I. For Day 1, lets say that puts Diver at 51% too. > > So, that’s where I’m starting. Let’s get some votes up in hee-ah! > > **vote USCDiver** > **vote LightFoot** NICE you choose the NETA to comment on but the OP is not worthy of a comment- - I compose my thoughts when I am at work and post them when I have time- if someone says the same thing before I post mine so be it \* \*\* Chucara \*\* chose to comment on an on- going discussion \* without- apparently \* the knowledge of previous discussion of same. \*\* USCD \*\* echoed my thoughts they appeared to be topical with out being up to speed as it were ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/257 "2013-01-23T17:49:21Z")
Of course I chose the NETA, it’s the part that bothered me. And barely, at that. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/258 "2013-01-23T17:51:05Z")
> [@Chucara](#): > > I’ll just make this clear: For the time being, I will stick to Pizza plan. If nothing else, then just to see how it works. > > The biggest drawback IMO is the loss of flexibility. I usually vote 3-5 times a day - often to no other reason than to get a reaction from the person I’m voting. I find that more often that not, by endgame, this will give me an (often correct) gut feeling about who is scum and who is not. > > I haven’t played with many of you long enough to know who to nominate just yet. Prior bad acts should not carry any weight- at all- ever- play this game not the last one ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/259 "2013-01-23T17:53:26Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > I see these 2 as contradictory It’s not, because I can nominate someone for death, get no vote traction on that nomination all round, and eventually vote for someone who might swing near end of phase. I also probably won’t remove my nomination vote at any point during the round because this game allows multi-voting. I’d need to be specifically convinced to remove it. IOW, with a strong reason to do otherwise. However, if my nomination gains traction and let’s say, Red Skeezix becomes one of the top lynch candidates for today, I should be encouraged to put my money where my mouth is and make sure my vote stays on that person. I nominated him, after all. It would be like nominating Barack Obama to be the democratic candidate and then voting for Hillary in the general election. You should vote for your nominee without good reason not to, if your choice has the possibility of being “elected”. In this game in particular, you should only unvote your nominee if you have completely eliminated them as a suspect somehow during the round. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/260 "2013-01-23T17:56:55Z")
And I’d suggest that if you ever nominate _and then unvote in the same round_ someone who later dies and flips scum, that’s uh… that’s bad. I can’t think of a stronger indication of either guilt or lack of townie discipline. Either should be poked at with a sharp stick. That’s either bad townie or obvious scum. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=14)