# Mafia - Game in progress \[Edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 9, 2013, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635 "2013-01-09T16:03:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/261 "2013-01-23T18:03:50Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > The Rules: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15912694&postcount=67](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15912694&postcount=67) > Players: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15912708&postcount=68](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15912708&postcount=68) > The Barn: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15922630&postcount=107](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15922630&postcount=107) > Sample PM: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15922706&postcount=108](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15922706&postcount=108) > Night 0: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15923035&postcount=118](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15923035&postcount=118) > Day 1: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15925639&postcount=156](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15925639&postcount=156) > The Pizza recipe: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15927887&postcount=215](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15927887&postcount=215) > > Doesn’t everyone keep notes like this? In a one thread game, I find it essential. But look at post 106. Players were added after the “official” player list, so I wanted Story to provide a new one so we were all on the same page. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/262 "2013-01-23T18:03:52Z")
\*\* Pleo \*\* OMGUS votes are valid in the sense they are often used by a Town Player that Can’t believe they are being voted on the grounds that the voter claims How many times have every one of us been voted by someone for what the voter touted as an obvious Scum trait when we were cleaner than angels underwear ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/263 "2013-01-23T18:04:46Z")
Ooh, I hope I’m the bad townie! 😃 I think you’re wrong. There’s zero reason to be “dedicated” on a Day 1 vote. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/264 "2013-01-23T18:04:56Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > \*\*Pizza \*\* you remember when you tried to lead a group by the nose in a game and then got all butt hurt when they rebelled? This is pushing it again. I won’t get “butthurt” when people decide that the idea sucks and won’t use it anymore. I’m frankly honored folks thought it was good enough to try, and enough of them decided to try it that we’re actually trying it. Also, since it’s a new idea, it’s good to get people on the same page as to what the idea is, how and why it should work, etc. You’ll see far less discussion re: the idea itself very shortly. Now that we’ve shaken out the misunderstandings, we should be able to just focus on the game. All I ask is that folks give it a chance. This is one Day One day phase from one game. Day Ones are usually the least useful. I’d wager the idea if put to work will demonstrate at least some usefulness over our usual Day One behavior. And we’ll go from there. If the idea sucks we flush it and move on, no harm done. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/265 "2013-01-23T18:05:49Z")
(That was to Pizza) ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/266 "2013-01-23T18:06:37Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > Things I like about Pizza’s plan: > > 1. Nominations - everybody should be able to commit to a suspicion; Pizza did not invent this concept, it is called playing Mafia. > [@](#): > > 1. The cut-off point for role-claims; If people have the freedom to opt out of the plan, what use are self-imposed deadlines? What happens if RL ensues and delays a claim, or if someone suddenly finds themselves the lynch leader when they were not in the lead the last time the checked the game, but oops! the role claim phase has passed? Too bad, Town Doc, you missed your train, but step right this way for a short drop and a sudden stop. > [@](#): > > 1. The expectation that everyone will have an opinion on different cases Do you mean to say ‘everyone will have an opinion on each different case’? Because if we are expected to post opinions about each and every other player’s vote, in a multi-vote game, we’re either going to be here forever and people are going to awol out of insanity. The Plan may have the best of intentions and be based on solid Mafia principles, but I smell a playstyle feud brewing between those who embrace it and those who don’t, and I don’t think such a feud will be good for Town. Voice your suspicions Vote your suspicions Poke holes in other people’s cases/ideas when compelled to do so Digest feedback from other players and adjust your play when compelled to do so Try not to fall behind and have attention to detail as much as possible This is how I intend to play. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/267 "2013-01-23T18:09:32Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Ooh, I hope I’m the bad townie! 😃 > > I think you’re wrong. There’s zero reason to be “dedicated” on a Day 1 vote. Then you make your exception, and the exception is, it’s Day 1. I’m still going to think it’s scummy if you unvote your nominee in the event of a tie. And I will vote you for it. Guidelines are guidelines. You go outside the lines as you see fit. I just ask that you justify going outside the lines. Swerving to avoid oncoming car, yes. Because I feel like it, no. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/268 "2013-01-23T18:10:33Z")
> [@wombat99](#): > > I will second the nomination of \*\*Babale \*\*for the reasons already given in post #[236](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15928702&postcount=236). > > I will also nominate **Mahaloth** , for voting for a previously-nominated player but not putting forth a candidate of his own (post #[231](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15928623&postcount=231)). > > **Vote Mahaloth** See this right here is a pile of crap vote wrapped up in The Plan, but it is a null tell on wombatt since he’s just trying to stick to The Plan. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/269 "2013-01-23T18:16:13Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Ooh, I hope I’m the bad townie! 😃 > > I think you’re wrong. There’s zero reason to be “dedicated” on a Day 1 vote. I agree unless someones " pants fall off " there is bupkiss to go on D1 it boils down to guts and slips of same ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/270 "2013-01-23T18:17:10Z")
Ah, but the Plan is just playing mafia, right Cookies? > [@](#): > > Pizza did not invent this concept, it is called playing Mafia. So, you think his vote is a pile of crap because he’s playing mafia? > [@](#): > > See this right here is a pile of crap vote wrapped up in The Plan, but it is a null tell on wombatt since he’s just trying to stick to The Plan. :rolleyes: Since when have day one votes \*\*not \*\*been pile of crap votes? It’s a bit odd to be outraged by ordinary mafia behavior, say the plan is ordinary mafia play, and blame the plan for things that exist absent the plan. It’s like saying things are no different, therefore, it’s different and worse. I blame the plan. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/271 "2013-01-23T18:17:54Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Then you make your exception, and the exception is, it’s Day 1. > > I’m still going to think it’s scummy if you unvote your nominee in the event of a tie. And I will vote you for it. > > Guidelines are guidelines. You go outside the lines as you see fit. I just ask that you justify going outside the lines. Swerving to avoid oncoming car, yes. Because I feel like it, no. That’s all fair, and should absolutely be part of your determination of me. If it makes sense, I still consider my _nomination_ to be there, just not my vote. If LightFoot is eventually lynched and flips town, I just hope you hail this moment as my genius play. If its scummy one way, it’s gotta be townie the other, right? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![wombat99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b782af/32.png) [@wombat99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wombat99)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/272 "2013-01-23T18:18:55Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > See this right here is a pile of crap vote wrapped up in The Plan, but it is a null tell on wombatt since he’s just trying to stick to The Plan. :rolleyes: You don’t think it’s even the tiniest bit scummy that he put down a me-too vote only? He’s posting but not contributing his own thoughts and vote. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/273 "2013-01-23T18:20:06Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > That’s all fair, and should absolutely be part of your determination of me. If it makes sense, I still consider my _nomination_ to be there, just not my vote. > > If LightFoot is eventually lynched and flips town, I just hope you hail this moment as my genius play. If its scummy one way, it’s gotta be townie the other, right? 😃 False dichotomy. It can be scummy both ways. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/274 "2013-01-23T18:21:54Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > A strongly discourage players from making OMGUS votes. First, they’re too personal, and tend to evoke emotional responses rather than convincing reasons to for anyone else to vote for the other. Second, many town players vote for many other town players because of the nature of the game, and an OMGUS simply creates another town-on-town vote. Third, as you mention, an OMGUS is a lazy vote and gives nothing useful for other players to make a decision with. And, as you also mention, OMGUS votes will look bad when many of them are on townies, which is another way of saying it’s a poor reason for a vote. We have different definitions of OMGUS then, because I make what I consider them to be often against Scum as Town. “Don’t believe him! I’m being framed!” When you don’t have compelling evidence to convince anyone else that is what is going on. I don’t think people should be encouraged to just roll over when they’re in that position. That is when you have to get scrappy. Further, even when it is Town vs Town someone was wrong first, and any chance we have of adjusting course from wrong to not being wrong without relying on a flip to make that adjustment, all the better. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/275 "2013-01-23T18:22:17Z")
Psssst… It was a joke! Edit: again, to Pizza. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/276 "2013-01-23T18:23:25Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Psssst… It was a joke! > > Edit: again, to Pizza. [del]Klingons[/del] Pizzas do not laugh. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/277 "2013-01-23T18:26:49Z")
Well said \*\* ….Cookies \*\* RE post 166 - internet froze typing this in anticipation of posting it \* And it will be irrelevant by the time I do But then again many of my “ insightful” posts are used as coasters so it may of course matter not ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/278 "2013-01-23T18:31:50Z")
Wombat: No, I do not think Mahaloth is suspicious because he did not toe the line of The Plan wherein it is apparently poo-poo’d to vote for who you think is scum even though someone else already nominated them unless you nominate someone else all in the same post. The idea that Mahaloth has proven himself to be incapable or unwilling of offering up his own perspective based on one post, even if it has a vote in it that someone else happened to make first, is ludicrous. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/279 "2013-01-23T18:33:56Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > See this right here is a pile of crap vote wrapped up in The Plan, but it is a null tell on wombatt since he’s just trying to stick to The Plan. :rolleyes: And\*\* Pizza \*\*nominated \*\*Red \*\*because he could be a scum buddy and he is bussing him or he could not be, I don’t see the point of a vote/nomination like that. You might as well pick a name out of a hat and then try and defend your vote. All this editing is setting my teeth on edge, I suppose I will get used to it. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2013, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/280 "2013-01-23T18:39:26Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > False dichotomy. It can be scummy both ways. Townie both ways too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=15)