# Mafia - Game in progress \[Edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 9, 2013, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635 "2013-01-09T16:03:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/341 "2013-01-24T02:35:20Z")
Have some game stats. Errors are possible (and regrettable): 215 Askthepizzaguy - Nominated/Voted Red Skeezix 220 GuiriEnEspaña - Nominated/Voted Choie & Ryjae 225 Johnny Bravo - Nominated/Voted Pleonast 229 Astral Rejection - Nominated/Voted USCDiver & LightFoot 231 Mahaloth - Nominated/Voted RyJae 233 Enderw24 - Nominated/Voted Red Skeezix 236 stanislaus - Nominated/Voted Babale 238 wombat99 - **Nominated Babale** , Nominated/Voted Mahaloth 244 DiggitCamara - Nominated/Voted Orthohedron 245 Astral Rejection - **Nominated** Babale 252 Astral Rejection - Unvoted LightFoot 284 orthohedron - **Nominated** Wombat99 289 USCDiver - Nominated/Voted Johnny Bravo 300 Lightfoot - Nominated/Voted Chucara 301 Cometothe…Cookies - Nominated/Voted RyJae, Stanislaus, Wombat99 312 Choie - Nominated/Voted Askthepizzaguy 327 Chucara - Nominated/Voted Orthohedron 328 Askthepizzaguy - Nominated/Voted Orhohedron 332 Choie - Nominated/Voted GuiriEnEspaña 334 texcat - Nominated/Voted Diggit, Chucara, Askthepizzaguy 337 Mahaloth - Unvoted RyJae, Nominated/Voted Chucara **Have not voted or nominated** • Suburban Plankton • Pleonast • fubbleskag • Babale • Meeko • RedSkeezix • Silver Jan • gnarlycharly • RyJae • Dizzymrslizzy • Val Salva **VOTE COUNT** Orthohedron: 3 Chucara: 3 RyJae: 2 Red Skeezix: 2 Askthepizzaguy: 2 Choie: 1 Pleonast: 1 USCDiver: 1 Babale: 1 Mahaloth: 1 Johnny Bravo: 1 Stanislaus: 1 Wombat99: 1 GuiriEnEspaña: 1 Diggit: 1 LightFoot: 0 ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/342 "2013-01-24T02:42:49Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I have no idea what to make of pizzaplan2013. It seems unlikely to get this many folks to go along with a plan with that many components. Are we all committed to it? No. > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Have some game stats. Errors are possible (and regrettable): > > \ > > **Have not voted or nominated** > • Suburban Plankton > > \ I will most assuredly Vote, but I have no plans to Nominate anyone, as I am not now nor have I ever been a Member of the Academy. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/343 "2013-01-24T02:48:34Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I will most assuredly Vote, but I have no plans to Nominate anyone, as I am not now nor have I ever been a Member of the Academy. In the off chance you’re quoting me because you’d like a response, I am currently passing no judgement on your lack of votes or nominations. I reserve the right to pass judgement in the future. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Val\_Salva](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Val\_Salva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Val_Salva)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/344 "2013-01-24T02:53:20Z")
Crazy busy day today and again tomorrow - have more time Fri, Sat, Sun - will catch up then. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/345 "2013-01-24T05:35:39Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > I think there should be a system and an order to things, but this isn’t parliamentary procedure bound by Roberts Rules of Order. If someone actually comes out and (as an example) says “look everyone, I’m scum!” During phase four, we don’t need to back everything up and restart the process. Just do what we normally do: vote for the scum. > > And I think this is a horrible idea. If you’re so awesome at your ability to choose the correct 8/26 players, you should probably stop playing mafia and put that talent toward keno or powerball. But 99.99% of the time you’re mixing town and scum together and making your voting record, and your vote, completely useless. > > Which is exactly what scum want. > > **Vote Red Skeezix** And I think you are silly. I certainly have a better chance of voting for scum if voting for 8 than for 1. Hell I’m guaranteed to vote scum if I vote 26 times. Your implication that a more complex voting record somehow supplies a place to hide. I would argue that while it does make voting analysis more complicated, it is still easier to analyze a complex voting record than sorting through a myriad of nuanced phrasing, confusing partial accusations, and out right bullshit. The voting record stands firm (either you voted for someone or you didn’t). There’s no smudging or smearing or dancing going on. You pull the gun out and you pull the trigger. Period. And if you try to un-pull the trigger, then you’ve got to account for that too. Furthermore, you seem to voting me on the pretense that my votes will be somehow meaningless. However, you seem to have skipped over pizza’s nomination of me, which is the very definition of meaningless (No defensible reason given, other than I think he’s got a crush on me). This is two strikes for you. And that’s enough for an early day nomination. Lastly, I see your play as what I think of as the “antagonizing defense”. This sort of play is interesting to me because you are not pushing an alternative directly, only saying what you think is wrong. This allows you to participate in discussion while simultaneously commits you to nothing. It’s beige behavior, that’s framed with jibes to look more colorful. **vote Ender24** I also nominate him, since the pizza plan has some flaws, but at the same time the benefits may outweigh the flaws, and it seems to be more interesting than the usual day 1 strategy rehash. ---
**Author:** ![orthohedron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ba8739/32.png) [@orthohedron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orthohedron)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/346 "2013-01-24T05:47:06Z")
So, why all the hate for orthohedron? ---
**Author:** ![orthohedron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ba8739/32.png) [@orthohedron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orthohedron)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/347 "2013-01-24T05:51:52Z")
So why all the orthohedron votes? I think Ortho is a pretty cool guy. Eh kills scum and doesn’t afraid of anything. Edit: Sorry about the double post, just now. I was on my phone using a new forum reader app. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/348 "2013-01-24T05:52:59Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > But Red’s suggestion went beyond a multivote. He was advocating making up to 8 simultaneous votes which can’t possibly serve any useful purpose for Town. At no point does any person in this game, with the exception of Story, know who all the Scum and all the Third parties are. To even claim that you could guess at that is ludicrous. What you’re going to get 99,999 times out of 100,000 is a goodly mixture of Town and scum in those 8 votes. It would indeed be ludicrous if I made such claims. However what I actually said was this: “So in a 27 (26?) person game, it’s perfectly reasonable to vote between 5 and 8 times (assuming some hostile 3rd parties), until scum comes up.” I have to wonder why you are so insistent upon changing the meaning of what I said. ---
**Author:** ![orthohedron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ba8739/32.png) [@orthohedron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orthohedron)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/349 "2013-01-24T06:02:32Z")
Meh, I just caught all of that “I’m a newbie stuff” you guys cited me posting earlier. Not much substance yet… in my defense, I guess I have none just trying to get a feel for the game. However I still think ortho is a pretty cool guy. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/350 "2013-01-24T07:54:23Z")
> [@orthohedron](#): > > Meh, I just caught all of that “I’m a newbie stuff” you guys cited me posting earlier. Not much substance yet… in my defense, I guess I have none just trying to get a feel for the game. However I still think ortho is a pretty cool guy. I think he is too. On the pizzaguy scale of scumminess, you currently rate a 1/10. Enough to be voted day one because, in all honesty, the midichlorians told me to. If this were poker I’d call this my ante. You’ll know when I place a solid wager. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/351 "2013-01-24T08:50:36Z")
I have to agree with **Dizzy** that there hasn’t been a lot of talking about the nominees but then most of the nominations were drawn out of a hat, pancakes as a reason? Really? Even if it was a vote to follow **Pizza** ’s plan it is such a non reason that it is truly laughable. **Vote Chucara** For a vote that can never be accountable and yet shows up on the voting record. **Vote askthepizzaguy** For the same sort of vote against **Red** , even a teenie, tiny reason is better than no reason at all. How are the players that you voted for supposed to defend themselves against a vote like that? Thanks for the compliment **Choie** , I think 🙂 [OOG]USCDiver, you are in my thoughts [/OOG] ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/352 "2013-01-24T09:15:16Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > \*\* > Vote Ryjae > Vote Stanislaus > Vote wombat > \*\* > > For stated suspicions and/or votes against **Babale** due to questions and posts regarding the Barn. > > Everything I have read from the mod indicates that there is not a role or mechanic that will provide any perfect information about what goes on with the Barn BUT it is a new mechanic and it is not unreasonable for some people to get confused about it or have questions. Occam’s razor would argue, imho, that confusion and questions about a new mechanic, especially coming from a player without much experience, would be a null tell at worst. > > The only scum motivation that could be apply to Babale’s play, if the Barn is indeed uncrackably anonymous, would be to sow confusion/doubt over a mechanic that the scum can’t even manipulate. I think that is considerably less likely than the null tell scenario above, ergo my suspicion has been ping’d by the three I have voted for, whom I suspect of voting opportunistically. (\*\*wombat \*\*points out that this bears no resemblance whatsoever to my reason for voting **Babale** ) > [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > You and Stanislaus seem to see more in that post than I do. If someone takes the time to respond individually to people and explain themselves, that is somehow deflective and scummy? If someone really wanted to deflect attention away from something, repeating it three different ways seems like it would just make the hole deeper. But that doesn’t seem to affect your vote. So - are you voting for me because you think my case is that \*\*Babale \*\*shouldn’t have been confused about the Barn? Or are you voting for me because “I see more in that post than you do”? Given that the first isn’t true, what luck that you should also find my real reasons for voting Babale scummy. Your vote for me seems to be independent of whatever reasoning you’re giving at any given time. **vote Cookies** ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 9:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/353 "2013-01-24T09:30:24Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > You are very wrong. > > Players can’t avoid accountability by pointing to other votes–every player has to be able to justify and defend each vote they make. The problem is not the multi-vote, it’s the dodge. So we hold players accountable if they try to excuse one vote with another. > > Multi-votes do not cancel out. Each player voted for is a player they want to see lynched. And each vote pushes a player closer to being lynched. That a player is voting for the lynch-leader and the runner-up is not a problem. It means they want to see both of them lynched and are taking actions to make that more likely. > > Unvoting someone you want to see lynched hurts town. In a single-vote game, it’s a necessary action. But in this game, unvoting a player means you don’t want them lynched. > > Multi-votes don’t reduce a player’s decisions or dodge accountability. If you are voting for a player, you want to see them lynched. If you are not voting for them, you do not want to see them lynched. Each vote or lack of vote has to be decided on and accounted for separately. I disagree entirely. Let’s say I vote to lynch Town 3 days running. Looks bad, right? But I can still say, “I also voted for A, B, C, D and E - they’re still alive, so for all you know they’re (mostly) scum and I’ve got an overall pro-Town voting record. It’s not my fault that other people disagreed with those cases and voted Town instead. Blame them, not me.” That might be true, it might not. It might be true because I’m Town who has found Scum, or because I’m Scum who has been careful to mix up his voting history. You can’t tell until more of A-E flip. But if you’re holding me to account for only half my votes, and ignoring the rest, what’s the point? If a the vote count is 5-4 between A and B, and I come in and vote for A and B to make it 6-5, it makes no difference at all. No one is closer to being lynched than they already were. I have not made it more likely that either one is lynched. Voting is about declaring a preference, and when votes are close, seeing people’s preference between leader and runner-up is what gives us information. Letting people vote without stating a preference takes away a vital Town tool. I like multi-voting as a tool for getting suspicions on record and holding people’s feet to the fire. I don’t like it as a way for recording lynch preferences. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/354 "2013-01-24T09:32:52Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > (\*\*wombat \*\*points out that this bears no resemblance whatsoever to my reason for voting **Babale** ) > > But that doesn’t seem to affect your vote. > > So - are you voting for me because you think my case is that \*\*Babale \*\*shouldn’t have been confused about the Barn? Or are you voting for me because “I see more in that post than you do”? Given that the first isn’t true, what luck that you should also find my real reasons for voting Babale scummy. Your vote for me seems to be independent of whatever reasoning you’re giving at any given time. > > **vote Cookies** The, imho, lack of plausible scum motivation on Babale’s part is what brought about my vote and it still applies. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/355 "2013-01-24T11:38:50Z")
[continues obsession with choie] > [@choie](#): > > I just don’t understand this question. If you’ve played with people before, you know something about how they play the game. F’rex, I know **Silver Jan** OMGUSes a lot but is a very good player despite that; I know **Pleonast** rushes to claim and then disappears (at least that’s what he’s done in the game I played with him); I know **Guiri** kinda acts as the Arbiter of Rightness and is often highly trusted by others, for good reason (in my past experience he was always Town, FWIW, which is nothing); I know **gnarlycharlie** is an emotional yet tricksy player; I know **pizza** is a huge strategizer and posts a _lot_ and when he gets his claws dug into someone he is nigh impossible to change his mind; I know **Normal Phase** is a dangerous and smart player to have on your side. I’ve never played with **Meeko** but I’ve, um, read a lot about him in past games. Wild card. I still don’t see what that’s got to do with placing a vote. Sure, if you want to metagame and notice a marked difference in a player’s gamestyle, you can use your knowledge to vote them but that’s sort of rare and rather limits the voting options for new players and players from other boards. > [@choie](#): > > Interesting. Yesterday he used the fact that _I_ was allegedly the only person who hadn’t confirmed to issue an early _J’accuse_ in my direction. Disingenuous again? Seems odd for someone with his vast experience and skill to forget his reasons for accusing others, but maybe he gets nervous as Scum and thus tends to obfuscate? I admit I only have experience with him as Town, so who knows. Check out my [vote](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15927967&postcount=220) again, I didn’t vote you for not confirming. Anyway, ValSalva did confirm, I just didn’t remember seeing any of her posts when looking through the player list to see who JohhnyBravo may have been referring to when he asked about lurkers. > [@choie](#): > > So combined with his earlier wide-eyed question, “What does knowing someone have to do with how you vote?” this is a lot of disingenuousness for someone with his experience. Coupled with his weird mistrust of me (which, ironically, can only be due to your past dealings with me because I’ve done almost nothing in this game so far), I’m looking very very askance at him. Right back at ya, scum. > [@Enderw24](#): > > So to summarize, the multivote’s ok but something I rarely if ever employ. But when you start advocating voting for 1/3 of our player base you’ve gone from a philosophical difference to pure anti-Town behavior. > > And there’s another word for anti-Town. That’s Scum. Scum don’t have a monopoly on anti-town behaviour - just look at lurking, ending the Day without a vote, reason-less votes, etc. I agree that making sense of a vote record is more complex when someone places multiple votes but the goal is to lynch scum, not earn town cred. > [@TexCat](#): > > It’s Day One. If Ortho is still claiming newbie on Day Three, I might consider this vote. Yeah, voting noobs for acting like noobs? > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Vote Chucara > > For a vote that can never be accountable and yet shows up on the voting record. Why can he not be held accountable for the vote? > [@Stanislaus](#): > > If a the vote count is 5-4 between A and B, and I come in and vote for A and B to make it 6-5, it makes no difference at all. Well it pushed both A and B further into the lead over C, D, E and F. If I really am happy to see either of them lynched, that makes sense. If it then turns out that B or C was scum and A was Town, I’ll expect to have my motivation questioned. If B ends up being lynched due to a last minute vote switch, I’ll have less claim to town cred. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/356 "2013-01-24T13:05:05Z")
jesus h. shit, I forgot how quickly these games get out of hand if I’m not reading the thread every 15 minutes. I’ve got an hour, hopefully it’s enough to absorb all of this… ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/357 "2013-01-24T13:07:57Z")
> [@Red\_Skeezix](#): > > It would indeed be ludicrous if I made such claims. > However what I actually said was this: > > “So in a 27 (26?) person game, it’s perfectly reasonable to vote between 5 and 8 times (assuming some hostile 3rd parties), until scum comes up.” > > I have to wonder why you are so insistent upon changing the meaning of what I said. I’ll get to your first response to me when I have more time, but I have to wonder what this is all about. There are only three ways I can figure to parse what you said: 1. On 5-8 separate Days we’ll vote for a person until someone flips scum. Since this is the basic definition of the game of Mafia, I can’t believe this is the correct interpretation. 2. On one Day, we can vote, one at a time, for 5 to 8 people until someone says “BLARG YOU’VE GOT ME. I’M SCUM!!! CURSES!” 3. You’re advocating for up to 8 simultaneous votes on people. This is my interpretation of what you said and the only logical way I can parse your words. So how in the hell is this “changing the meaning” of your intention? What did you mean to say? ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/358 "2013-01-24T13:09:23Z")
holy fucking puns, batman ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/359 "2013-01-24T13:13:36Z")
damnit, my “SDMB Mafia” toolbar extension for Chrome got lost in the rebuild - this is going to take longer than I thought. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2013, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635/360 "2013-01-24T13:23:01Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > I’ll get to your first response to me when I have more time, but I have to wonder what this is all about. There are only three ways I can figure to parse what you said: > > 1. On 5-8 separate Days we’ll vote for a person until someone flips scum. Since this is the basic definition of the game of Mafia, I can’t believe this is the correct interpretation. > > 2. On one Day, we can vote, one at a time, for 5 to 8 people until someone says “BLARG YOU’VE GOT ME. I’M SCUM!!! CURSES!” > > 3. You’re advocating for up to 8 simultaneous votes on people. This is my interpretation of what you said and the only logical way I can parse your words. So how in the hell is this “changing the meaning” of your intention? What did you mean to say? Then, let me clarify for you: In no where in my post did I ever say voting up to 8 times would net **all** scum and third parties, only **one**. Do you see the difference yet? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-in-progress-edited-title/646635.md?page=19)